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nwms

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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #42 on: December 01, 2025, 10:46:10 AM »
it’s an emotional shortsighted reaction but it’s also om’s prerogative that i don’t begrudge them.
perhaps they don’t trust the dude - if that’s the case i get it.
i’m sure their answer to the issue would be he could have coached them in the po by staying.

these opportunities esp for them come along so infrequently that when this golding operation crashes & they sober up they may have a diff pov.
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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #43 on: December 01, 2025, 10:48:33 AM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on December 01, 2025, 10:03:01 AM
This sheds light on another aspect of this sport that needs fixing.  Coaches are going to move around, whether they should or not, and whether we like it or not. 

Ole Miss now enters the post-season without its head coach and a significant number of its other staff who are leaving for Baton Rouge.  LSU was willing to let Kiffin coach through the post-season, as he clearly wanted to do, but Ole Miss was not.  I'm not much for a heavy hand, but maybe some firmer rules about these things would avoid this unenviable position where these kids are left high and dry as the reward for their historic season. 

fwiw, Tulane's AD David Harris has announced that Sumrall will coach their CCG, and the playoffs, should they be selected, citing that it's the right thing to do for their student-athletes.  Presumably, Florida doesn't have the same qualms as Ole Miss.
I don't get the Florida-Ole Miss comparison. Florida is gaining a coach and Ole Miss has lost one. Florida is being generous in not insisting that Sumrall report to Gainesville immediately, and Tulane is being generous in allowing Sumrall to coach out the season.

Also, IMO, the situations at Ole Miss and Tulane are not really comparable either. Tulane is losing a coach who is taking a major step up the coaching ladder, while Ole Miss is losing a coach who at the very least has misled the administration, who is making a move within the conference. It's hard for me to blame Ole Miss.

Re firmer rules, it seems like it would be possible to have a "no contact" rule that applies until the season and postseason games are finished. That would probably mean adjusting the portal gates and "signing day" dates.
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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #44 on: December 01, 2025, 10:49:54 AM »
i was about to post something similar. the situations are very different.
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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #45 on: December 01, 2025, 11:19:25 AM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on December 01, 2025, 10:03:01 AM
This sheds light on another aspect of this sport that needs fixing.  Coaches are going to move around, whether they should or not, and whether we like it or not. 

Ole Miss now enters the post-season without its head coach and a significant number of its other staff who are leaving for Baton Rouge.  LSU was willing to let Kiffin coach through the post-season, as he clearly wanted to do, but Ole Miss was not. I'm not much for a heavy hand, but maybe some firmer rules about these things would avoid this unenviable position where these kids are left high and dry as the reward for their historic season. 

fwiw, Tulane's AD David Harris has announced that Sumrall will coach their CCG, and the playoffs, should they be selected, citing that it's the right thing to do for their student-athletes.  Presumably, Florida doesn't have the same qualms as Ole Miss. 
It would be absolutely crazy for Ole Miss to let him continue coaching there, knowing he's leaving for a rival and direct competitor in every possible way.  The opportunities for tampering from inside are just far too enormous.

There's no doubt he's going to attempt to take some players along with him, both current players and commits.  But to allow him weeks and months to do it from the inside, would be a malfeasance of their duties toward the university's athletic program.



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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #46 on: December 01, 2025, 12:07:46 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on December 01, 2025, 10:48:33 AM
I don't get the Florida-Ole Miss comparison. Florida is gaining a coach and Ole Miss has lost one. Florida is being generous in not insisting that Sumrall report to Gainesville immediately, and Tulane is being generous in allowing Sumrall to coach out the season.

Also, IMO, the situations at Ole Miss and Tulane are not really comparable either. Tulane is losing a coach who is taking a major step up the coaching ladder, while Ole Miss is losing a coach who at the very least has misled the administration, who is making a move within the conference. It's hard for me to blame Ole Miss.

Re firmer rules, it seems like it would be possible to have a "no contact" rule that applies until the season and postseason games are finished. That would probably mean adjusting the portal gates and "signing day" dates.

It wasn't a comparison, it was a contrast.  I'm saying one school is okay with a coach finishing out his season with his current team, and the other is not.  Your point about Florida gaining a coach and Ole Miss losing one is fair, but I'm strictly talking about the reality of situation.  Florida is not demanding Sumrall leave Tulane immediately, which they'd be within their right minds to do.  Presumably, Ole Miss thinks if a coach is going elsewhere, he needs to leave immediately.  That's the contrast.  

Your last paragraph is kind of where I'm looking when thinking about all this.  The new December signing date and the portal fiasco have conflicted with the coaching carousel before.  Just never quite like this, since Ole Miss is (or was) playoff-bound.  But it seems like they have been a problem for the inevitable coaching carousel annually.  
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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #47 on: December 01, 2025, 12:10:53 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 01, 2025, 11:19:25 AM
It would be absolutely crazy for Ole Miss to let him continue coaching there, knowing he's leaving for a rival and direct competitor in every possible way.  The opportunities for tampering from inside are just far too enormous.

There's no doubt he's going to attempt to take some players along with him, both current players and commits.  But to allow him weeks and months to do it from the inside, would be a malfeasance of their duties toward the university's athletic program.

That's fair and likely accurate, which is why it seems like there should be either more rules in place, or the timing of these related events need adjusting.  As I noted to CWS above, it seems like the reality of the portal and the early signing period has been a problem every year when it comes to coaching changes.  Seems like the dates for things could be moved around.  Chief among them, the early signing period has never had a point.  February was just fine, and it allowed time for the coaching changes to settle down.  
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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #48 on: December 01, 2025, 12:45:05 PM »
These have a pinned thread, but this week's video fits here nicely.

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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #49 on: December 01, 2025, 01:05:21 PM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on December 01, 2025, 12:10:53 PM
That's fair and likely accurate, which is why it seems like there should be either more rules in place, or the timing of these related events need adjusting.  As I noted to CWS above, it seems like the reality of the portal and the early signing period has been a problem every year when it comes to coaching changes.  Seems like the dates for things could be moved around.  Chief among them, the early signing period has never had a point.  February was just fine, and it allowed time for the coaching changes to settle down. 
I don't know.  I guess maybe it might minimize the effect, somewhat?

But the reality is, he's going to attempt to take "his" players and "his" recruits with him, no matter what.  So allowing him to stay at Ole Miss is the absolute definition of the fox guarding the henhouse.  It would be crazy to allow it under ANY circumstances.
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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #50 on: December 01, 2025, 01:08:55 PM »
I wonder what most OM players think about Kiffin (before all of this).  Do they like him?  Respect him?  Play hard for him?  Some probably are glad to see him go, thinking they will get more PT under the FNG.
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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #51 on: December 01, 2025, 01:22:25 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 01, 2025, 01:08:55 PM
I wonder what most OM players think about Kiffin (before all of this).  Do they like him?  Respect him?  Play hard for him?  Some probably are glad to see him go, thinking they will get more PT under the FNG.

It's being spun by Ole Miss folks that the players are glad to see him go, and excited for Golding to take over.

That's a load of horseshit cope.

Yes the players liked him, yes they played hard for him.  He IS one of them -- and that's where the messiness comes in.  He's immature -- like a spoiled college kid.

Ole Miss knows the best they're going to do just headed south to Cajun Country, for the prettier girl..  If they say otherwise, they're FOS.
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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #52 on: December 01, 2025, 01:26:42 PM »
An OM players who felt slighted for PT is probably happier, LK may take his competition with him.  In my own experience, players mostly neither really liked nor disliked the HC (with one exception, in HS).  But HS is way different.
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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #53 on: December 01, 2025, 02:42:02 PM »
Quote from: jgvol on December 01, 2025, 01:22:25 PM
It's being spun by Ole Miss folks that the players are glad to see him go, and excited for Golding to take over.

That's a load of horseshit cope.

Yes the players liked him, yes they played hard for him.  He IS one of them -- and that's where the messiness comes in.  He's immature -- like a spoiled college kid.

Ole Miss knows the best they're going to do just headed south to Cajun Country, for the prettier girl..  If they say otherwise, they're FOS.

Supposedly the players requested that he coach them through the playoffs, but I don't know if that's true or not.  
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Re: In need of a HC
« Reply #54 on: December 01, 2025, 02:43:18 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 01, 2025, 01:26:42 PM
An OM players who felt slighted for PT is probably happier, LK may take his competition with him.  In my own experience, players mostly neither really liked nor disliked the HC (with one exception, in HS).  But HS is way different.

Seems like that's how LSU players have described Brian Kelly.  Probably because they were around him so little.  One player interviewed went so far as to say he's barely ever met Brian Kelly, which he thought was strange.  Apparently he was not much a part of day-to-day activities.  
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« Reply #55 on: December 03, 2025, 11:09:20 PM »
A big part of this is that the playoff setup makes it unlikely for any specific team to win the NC, even the 1-seed.

If this was back in the day and OM was simply facing a bowl game for a potential NC, OM would keep him to try to win it.  The reward would be worth the risk, easily.

But a 4-game gauntlet where no team is anywhere likely to survive, no, it's not prudent to allow your outgoing HC to stick around and mettle with players and personnel.

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