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Re: SEC Rankings
« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2024, 09:26:54 AM »
I wonder if CD will let Arkansas back into the SEC after yesterday? :)

And then there was Vandy... Nobody saw that coming for sure! :88:

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Re: SEC Rankings
« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2024, 09:43:42 AM »
OK, Arky can come back in now.

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Re: SEC Rankings
« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2024, 10:02:59 AM »
You have to think about the fact that Alabama has played at an all-time high level for over 15 years. Year after year of either playing for a NC, conference title, 10+ win seasons you had to figure that there has to be a drop off after Saban leaves. For awhile it kinda seemed like Kalen Deboar would keep that train running, and then somehow they lose to Vandy…

Is this a sign that Bama is vulnerable in ways they haven’t been for what seems like decades ?  It’s often been said that they do not have NIL in the same capacity as some of the other schools.  So they had a championship pipeline, a NFL pipeline, play for the GOAT pipeline.  

But was yesterday the beginning of the end? 

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Re: SEC Rankings
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2024, 12:58:48 PM »
Rosterwise, Bama is still elite with talent.  The only team close is UGA.  That of course doesn't  mean they'll always beat lesser teams.  But I don't think the loss yesterday was due to any diminution of talent.  That might happen in time.

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Re: SEC Rankings
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2024, 01:28:39 PM »
Rosterwise, Bama is still elite with talent.  The only team close is UGA.  That of course doesn't  mean they'll always beat lesser teams.  But I don't think the loss yesterday was due to any diminution of talent.  That might happen in time.
If not lack of talent, then bad coaching?
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Re: SEC Rankings
« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2024, 01:46:56 PM »
At times, it's just "luck" basically.  Upsets happen, sometimes coaching is an issue, sometimes a team collectively is looking ahead and not working as hard, at times it happens after a huge win and the team sort of relaxes.  Usually, in  big upset, the loser turned the ball over more than the winner, in this case it was 2-0 including a pick six.

UGA was upset by USCe a few years back when the margin was 4-0 including a pick six.

I view turnovers as random events in most cases.  But the underdog needs to play clean and get some breaks in turnover margin.


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Re: SEC Rankings
« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2024, 02:03:29 PM »
Bama obviously has talent, but that team has shown inconsistency the past two weeks.

Ran up a 30-7 halftime lead over UGA, then got outscored 27-3 in the 3rd quarter and most of the 4th quarter. Then went 75 yards on one play and converted the 2-pointer to win by 8.

And then yesterday in Nashville.

Inconsistency can be hard to fix. Where exactly does the problem lie?
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Re: SEC Rankings
« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2024, 02:05:35 PM »
Inconsistency often reflects a coaching problem, I'd guess.  Preparation, scheming, toughness, discipline.

I thought the Dawgs were inconsistent under Richt and I think it goes to those issues in that case.


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Re: SEC Rankings
« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2024, 04:13:58 PM »
Bama of course usually throttles the Vandys of the world.  There also a few times where they don't play well and win by a less than impressive score, maybe 27-17 or so.  That's the kind of game where another couple breaks going to wrong way and they end up losing, but that happens rarely, like when Stanford upset USC as a 40+ point dog.

I saw a few plays in the game and I thought the Vandy OL was "managing" the Bama DL a lot better than usual, so perhaps Vandy is toughened up now.  If a team dominates in the lines of course, it's much tougher for them to end up losing even if skill players play badly.

I was musing a bit about throwing.  I pitch some, still, in baseball, my arm of course is not great.  I can throw a curve and have a changeup that is "OK".  But, I'm 60.5 feet away, the catcher is still, and nobody is trying to tackle me.  A QB is usually leading a moving target with defensive players both trying to get to him and trying to cover the WR.  AND, he's often throwing a much larger ball 30-40 yards, not 20.  It's amazing to me really that a completed pass isn't like a 10% percentage play.  His target area is a bit larger, but not by that much, and missing it can result in a very bad result, not a walk.

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Re: SEC Rankings
« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2024, 06:53:24 PM »
It’s not really about talent. Talent is only one part of the equation.  

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Re: SEC Rankings
« Reply #38 on: October 06, 2024, 11:46:41 PM »
Inconsistency often reflects a coaching problem, I'd guess.  Preparation, scheming, toughness, discipline. . . .
I'd guess the same thing.
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Re: SEC Rankings
« Reply #39 on: October 07, 2024, 07:08:57 AM »
It’s not really about talent. Talent is only one part of the equation. 
Sure.  I mention talent merely to note Bama has not yet fallen off THAT cliff.  We see more apparently talented teams lose each week (usually).  Sometimes it's just "luck", or probability.  The better team would win 8 times in 10, and this was one of the 2s.

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« Reply #40 on: October 07, 2024, 11:40:47 AM »
Bama had an ordinary, common letdown after blowing their load in the UGA game.  99% of teams with mortal HCs do it all the time.  Saban is the best HC of all time and didn't allow it to happen.  He's gone.

Debeor's crime is letting his team do what 99% of everyone does and him not being the best HC ever.  

So I guess they should get rid of him, lol.

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Re: SEC Rankings
« Reply #41 on: October 07, 2024, 11:55:42 AM »
Bama had an ordinary, common letdown after blowing their load in the UGA game.  99% of teams with mortal HCs do it all the time.  Saban is the best HC of all time and didn't allow it to happen.  He's gone.

Debeor's crime is letting his team do what 99% of everyone does and him not being the best HC ever. 

So I guess they should get rid of him, lol.

Might as well, it's what we did with Les Miles.

 

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