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MikeDeTiger

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #1316 on: December 02, 2025, 01:51:00 PM »
Yeah I'm not going to dwell on it too much, because like you said now we're merely speculating.  I do know that Fisher, in the rant he had about Saban after Saban accused A&M of buying our roster (we did, legally, it didn't work out), was sort of close about letting the cat out of the bag. 

All I will say is that for a long, long time Alabama and there 3 deep were better than 98% of the rest of CFP, and it always seemed strange that no matter how many new players came and went, and coaches they seemed to be on top. 

Well, again, I can't speak for Alabama.  I remember one 5* guy we were both after, where the kid would've probably been in the rotation pretty quickly with us, chose Alabama, who didn't even have a scholarship for him because they were at their cap.  He grey-shirted, or something like that.  All I can remember now is he went to Alabama to sit on the bench behind a slew of other guys just as talented as him, except older and more experienced so they ate up all the playing time, and he wasn't even on scholly for the first part of his career.  I was pretty stunned about the whole thing.  

That said....if a player believes Saban is the best coach and Alabama will be his best shot for an NFL future and the ultimate payday, is that so far-fetched?  I don't know.  It's not like LSU was not an NFL pipeline.  But, the Saban draw is a strong one, even a lot of players who did sign and play for us have said as much.  

As for Fisher letting the cat out of the bag, I guess he would know about stuff going on at LSU better than I would.  I'm just noting that for the years when Fisher was our OC under Saban, I don't know of any scandals hinted at, let alone with some evidence to back them up, and given what I know about the C.D. in that era, it seems unlikely to me.

otoh, there are fans who say otherwise.  Don't know if you've been here long enough to remember 25 4 Heisman, but he said that kind of stuff goes on everywhere and he knew for sure that LSU players got a little spending money under the table.  How reliable he was, who can say.  It's certainly not hard to believe.  My own feeling is that if something unusual or persistent was going on, I should've heard the chatter and smelled the smoke. 

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #1317 on: December 02, 2025, 03:05:22 PM »
So Auburn hires Alex Golesh as head coach. Going 23-15 in three season at South Florida, Golesh seems an unproven hire. Good luck to Golesh at Auburn, but his hiring is the culmination of terribly costly season for Auburn.

How costly? Going into Hugh Freeze Season #3, Auburn had the pieces in place to have the season Oklahoma is having. A statistically strong defense, experienced QB, an excellent WR corps. The schedule was tough but over a long season experienced coaching staffs and rosters create enough breaks for themselves.

Instead Auburn's poor results continued into Hugh Freeze Season #3, losing close game after close game - in numerous cases due to terribly untimely turnovers. And unfairly to the Auburn faithful, Hugh Freeze turned out to be more interested in golfing than coaching. Had Auburn created the breaks that their opponents were able to create against Auburn, the path was there for a 10-2 run.

It's worth making the earlier Oklahoma comparison, because both programs were facing similar turning points to start the season. Yes, the Sooners started the season ranked much higher, but Venables' coaching seat was also red hot, an experienced QB was brought in during the offseason, the defense was their strong suit, and the schedule was tough. The difference is the Sooners kept their heads in the game and methodically strung together the late-season wins needed for a playoff run: @Tennessee, @Alabama, Vs Missouri, and Vs LSU.

For those criticizing Oklahoma’s ‘lackluster’ wins over Missouri and LSU, the pressure was entirely on Venables and staff to win those, and they did.

The Sooners feel like a revitalized program. Meanwhile, despite their history and strong fan support, Auburn feels like a program knocked to a lower tier. Auburn wasn’t competitive on the coaching market, and now they’ve hired an otherwise unproven candidate who now must game-plan against the likes of Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Texas A&M, and Texas.

In the SEC, the margin between a playoff run and having to look for a new coach in the AAC is deceptively narrow.

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #1318 on: December 02, 2025, 03:52:31 PM »
So Auburn hires Alex Golesh as head coach. Going 23-15 in three season at South Florida, Golesh seems an unproven hire. Good luck to Golesh at Auburn, but his hiring is the culmination of terribly costly season for Auburn.

How costly? Going into Hugh Freeze Season #3, Auburn had the pieces in place to have the season Oklahoma is having. A statistically strong defense, experienced QB, an excellent WR corps. The schedule was tough but over a long season experienced coaching staffs and rosters create enough breaks for themselves.

Instead Auburn's poor results continued into Hugh Freeze Season #3, losing close game after close game - in numerous cases due to terribly untimely turnovers. And unfairly to the Auburn faithful, Hugh Freeze turned out to be more interested in golfing than coaching. Had Auburn created the breaks that their opponents were able to create against Auburn, the path was there for a 10-2 run.

It's worth making the earlier Oklahoma comparison, because both programs were facing similar turning points to start the season. Yes, the Sooners started the season ranked much higher, but Venables' coaching seat was also red hot, an experienced QB was brought in during the offseason, the defense was their strong suit, and the schedule was tough. The difference is the Sooners kept their heads in the game and methodically strung together the late-season wins needed for a playoff run: @Tennessee, @Alabama, Vs Missouri, and Vs LSU.

For those criticizing Oklahoma’s ‘lackluster’ wins over Missouri and LSU, the pressure was entirely on Venables and staff to win those, and they did.

The Sooners feel like a revitalized program. Meanwhile, despite their history and strong fan support, Auburn feels like a program knocked to a lower tier. Auburn wasn’t competitive on the coaching market, and now they’ve hired an otherwise unproven candidate who now must game-plan against the likes of Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Texas A&M, and Texas.

In the SEC, the margin between a playoff run and having to look for a new coach in the AAC is deceptively narrow.


Venables was less proven when he was hired at Oklahoma, FWIW.

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #1319 on: December 02, 2025, 04:40:01 PM »
Didn’t OU and Auburn essentially trade QBs?  Kinda ironic. 

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« Reply #1320 on: December 02, 2025, 05:34:53 PM »
So Auburn hires Alex Golesh as head coach. Going 23-15 in three season at South Florida, Golesh seems an unproven hire. Good luck to Golesh at Auburn, but his hiring is the culmination of terribly costly season for Auburn.

How costly? Going into Hugh Freeze Season #3, Auburn had the pieces in place to have the season Oklahoma is having. A statistically strong defense, experienced QB, an excellent WR corps. The schedule was tough but over a long season experienced coaching staffs and rosters create enough breaks for themselves.

Instead Auburn's poor results continued into Hugh Freeze Season #3, losing close game after close game - in numerous cases due to terribly untimely turnovers. And unfairly to the Auburn faithful, Hugh Freeze turned out to be more interested in golfing than coaching. Had Auburn created the breaks that their opponents were able to create against Auburn, the path was there for a 10-2 run.

It's worth making the earlier Oklahoma comparison, because both programs were facing similar turning points to start the season. Yes, the Sooners started the season ranked much higher, but Venables' coaching seat was also red hot, an experienced QB was brought in during the offseason, the defense was their strong suit, and the schedule was tough. The difference is the Sooners kept their heads in the game and methodically strung together the late-season wins needed for a playoff run: @Tennessee, @Alabama, Vs Missouri, and Vs LSU.

For those criticizing Oklahoma’s ‘lackluster’ wins over Missouri and LSU, the pressure was entirely on Venables and staff to win those, and they did.

The Sooners feel like a revitalized program. Meanwhile, despite their history and strong fan support, Auburn feels like a program knocked to a lower tier. Auburn wasn’t competitive on the coaching market, and now they’ve hired an otherwise unproven candidate who now must game-plan against the likes of Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Texas A&M, and Texas.

In the SEC, the margin between a playoff run and having to look for a new coach in the AAC is deceptively narrow.

I agree with all of that. As to that narrow margin, think of how different things would seem had Auburn not repeatedly shot itself in the foot in the Iron Bowl. That was a game that Auburn could have won.
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #1321 on: December 02, 2025, 05:36:28 PM »
Didn’t OU and Auburn essentially trade QBs?  Kinda ironic.

Half a trade, maybe. Jackson Arnold went from OU to Auburn.

But OU's new QB, John Mateer, came from Washington State.
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