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Gigem

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #1288 on: December 01, 2025, 04:51:07 PM »
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« Reply #1289 on: December 01, 2025, 04:59:16 PM »
Quote from: Gigem on December 01, 2025, 04:35:16 PM

https://twitter.com/whalexander_/status/1995526065477787677?s=20

I don't think any A&M fans want to be poking fun of anyone else about buyouts and paying former coaches.  

**coughcoughJimboFishercoughcough**
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« Reply #1290 on: December 01, 2025, 05:54:34 PM »
Heck I'm pretty sure there was a point in time when Texas was paying Mack Brown, Charlie Strong, and Tom Herman, all at the same time.
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #1291 on: December 01, 2025, 06:15:03 PM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on December 01, 2025, 04:59:16 PM
I don't think any A&M fans want to be poking fun of anyone else about buyouts and paying former coaches. 

**coughcoughJimboFishercoughcough**
Actually I’m not poking fun of anything. Even with all the buyouts combined I’m sure we’re paying Jimbo more. 

BK around $55MM 
How much was Ed O?  More than $20Mm? 
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« Reply #1292 on: December 01, 2025, 06:17:46 PM »
$17MM child’s play 

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« Reply #1293 on: Today at 07:24:52 AM »
Boy I hate to start thinking about next season this soon, especially when we may have several playoff games left but i wanted to point something out about A&M and our history. 


In my time as a fan, we’ve never followed up a good season with another successful season. The closest we got was 2012-2013, JFF led us to 12 wins and then 9. Don’t get me wrong, 9 wins is still pretty nice, but I’ve always felt you needed at least 10 wins to have a great year. We had really close games vs Alabama and Auburn, and of course that was Auburns magical year where they almost won the whole enchilada.  

The other sad stat is that we really haven’t had many great seasons to start with either.  The list is pretty much 1998, 2012, 2020, and now 2025. 

Damn I just realized 1998, 2012, and 2025 are all about the same amount of years between them. Now I’m wondering if I’ll be 62 when we have our next great season? 😒
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« Reply #1294 on: Today at 09:10:04 AM »
I distinguish between building a program that reloads and building a team, these days with NIL etc.  The latter can get you one really good season, possibly followed by mediocrity (Vandy?).

The Saban model is the former.  At some point it may not work any more.
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« Reply #1295 on: Today at 09:11:47 AM »
Quote from: Gigem on Today at 07:24:52 AM
Boy I hate to start thinking about next season this soon, especially when we may have several playoff games left but i wanted to point something out about A&M and our history.


In my time as a fan, we’ve never followed up a good season with another successful season. The closest we got was 2012-2013, JFF led us to 12 wins and then 9. Don’t get me wrong, 9 wins is still pretty nice, but I’ve always felt you needed at least 10 wins to have a great year. We had really close games vs Alabama and Auburn, and of course that was Auburns magical year where they almost won the whole enchilada. 

The other sad stat is that we really haven’t had many great seasons to start with either.  The list is pretty much 1998, 2012, 2020, and now 2025.

Damn I just realized 1998, 2012, and 2025 are all about the same amount of years between them. Now I’m wondering if I’ll be 62 when we have our next great season? 😒

Yep, I encourage you and all A&M fans to appreciate and enjoy this season no matter what happens.  I know I beat this dead horse a lot, but I watched most all of our fanbase complain through the best period of LSU football history because they thought the coach talked funny and wore his hat high.  They focused on all the negatives--of which there were some--and just missed the bigger picture of having a string of good years in a pretty short time span. 

Even if A&M gets knocked out of the first round of the playoffs, this was a good year to be an A&M fan.  
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« Reply #1296 on: Today at 09:14:16 AM »
The thing is, after a few "good years" the fan base views that as some kind of given, a birthright, it was always that way.  A nine win season is a disaster.  Anything short of an NC becomes something fans decry.

The Dawgs won the conference last year, but fans view the year as a bad one.  It's all relative.
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« Reply #1297 on: Today at 09:20:30 AM »
Yup, fans are fickle.  Plenty of Texas fans are viewing this season as a bad one.

And sure there was an unfortunate loss to a bad Florida team and an unfortunate 4th quarter collapse against a very good Georgia team, and even a couple of too close overtime road wins against bad MSU and UK teams.

But overall, hanging with Ohio State at their place, 3 wins over Top 12 teams, wins over ALL rivals, and watching the team grow and mature all year long... this was a very good season for Texas.  Just 4 years ago we were delighted not to be 6-7.
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« Reply #1298 on: Today at 09:21:07 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on Today at 09:10:04 AM
I distinguish between building a program that reloads and building a team, these days with NIL etc.  The latter can get you one really good season, possibly followed by mediocrity (Vandy?).

The Saban model is the former.  At some point it may not work any more.

It didn't hardly work in the past.  Saban at Alabama is mostly unique.  He broke people's brains.  We're in this insane cycle of expecting NC's every other year, firing coaches when it doesn't happen, and convincing ourselves that the right guy will be able to do it, and we way overpay for those unrealistic expectations.  I call it SDS, Saban Derangement Syndrome.  

Ohio State and UGA currently stand the best chances of doing the best at replicating that success, but I'd bet most of my money that they're not going to win 6 NCs in 17 years and play for a few more, and that's granting that UGA already has two lately.  

To your point, in the Saban/Miles era, LSU reloaded as much and as well as anybody.  They cranked out a lot of great seasons.  Each coach had 1 NC to show for it, making 2 over 17 years.  Very nice, but nothing approaching what happened with Saban at Alabama.  
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« Reply #1299 on: Today at 09:23:18 AM »
Saban was operating in a bygone era. He knew that and it's precisely why he left when he did.

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #1300 on: Today at 09:31:17 AM »
The hurdle to winning an NC today obviously is very different, and much tougher, even for the "best team".  Presume OSU this season is really "the best team", and well they could be.  They are looking at beating a really good team, call it Notre Dame, then a really really good team, call it TT,  then a team about as good as they are, say UGA.  The odds of winning all three are not good.

I'm really talking about putting elite level teams out there on a consistent basis, not winning a slew of NCs.  If a program wins 11+ games a year for a decade, I'd call that elite, in these days, even with no NCs.  Sabanesque if you will.

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« Reply #1301 on: Today at 09:59:52 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on Today at 09:23:18 AM
Saban was operating in a bygone era. He knew that and it's precisely why he left when he did.
Legit question, I'd like an honest answer.  

Do you really think that essentially, Alabama and before that LSU, had real bag men to simply buy the best players and that's why they were so successful. And once those bagmen no longer could buy the best players, Saban knew his competitive edge was up?

Unserious remark: 
Please omit references about A&M's bag men :) , clearly they weren't up to snuff.  
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