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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #1064 on: October 28, 2025, 03:14:40 PM »
According to the tie-breaker, if Alabama and UGA win out, (likely), and A&M loses 1 game (likely), it will be Alabama and Georgia in the CCG.  


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« Reply #1065 on: October 28, 2025, 03:18:58 PM »
According to the tie-breaker, if Alabama and UGA win out, (likely), and A&M loses 1 game (likely), it will be Alabama and Georgia in the CCG. 


I don't see anyone remaining on Alabama's schedule that should beat them, but then again they lost to a bad Oklahoma team last year.

Georgia should win out as well.

But there's a reason they play the games.

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #1066 on: October 28, 2025, 03:30:48 PM »
I don't see anyone remaining on Alabama's schedule that should beat them, 

Somebody get me Gerry DiNardo on the phone.  Time to Bring Back The Magic.  

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« Reply #1067 on: October 28, 2025, 04:18:45 PM »
Somebody get me Gerry DiNardo on the phone.  Time to Bring Back The Magic. 
Explain ?  Did LSU beat bama a bunch of times in the late 90’s?  

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« Reply #1068 on: October 29, 2025, 09:16:22 AM »
According to The Athletic, it sounds like Brian Kelly might have had a chance to save his skin but either didn't read the room or didn't care.  They report that OC Joe Sloan's name was at the center of a heated exchange between AD Woodward and Kelly Saturday night after the game, which continued on into Sunday.  Woodward reportedly told Kelly to fire Sloan, and Kelly fired back that he wanted to make other staff moves that Woodward wasn't comfortable with.  Obviously we know how it ended.  If accurate, it's interesting to speculate that Kelly might have saved his job (for now, at least) by going along with the AD, because that's kind of the conclusion I'd draw from the facts offered.  

It's also interesting to me that Woodward singled out Sloan.  I mean, I'm on record here saying Sloan shouldn't be an OC at a place like LSU because he doesn't appear to have the chops for it.  But the other side of the coin is no offensive scheme, and no playcalling brilliance will save you or even look competent when you have an O-line like LSU's.  There is no X's and O's fix for that.  Add to that, the offense had actually been playing better over the last few games.  They weren't scoring a bunch more points, but they were moving the ball better, upping their TOP which should at least help the defense, and off the top of my head, were averaging about a TD more per game, as Nuss got healthier.  

The defense on the other hand....woof.  They just collapsed the last three games in the face of mobile QBs--which they did last year as well under DC Blake Baker.  

So it's interesting to target Sloan and not Baker.  Probably the whole staff needed an overhaul and you probably can't fire everybody mid-season.  Just makes me wonder why pick the OC in light of recent games.  Taking the season as a whole, the defense has obviously been the stronger unit and the offense has been a wreck.  But that doesn't seem to take recent trends into consideration.  

Maybe AD's are just idgits.  This one, in particular, is on the wrong side of his governor, with no current permanent university president buffering the two of them.  Which is another point.....whoever is appointed prez will be friendlier to the governor than to the AD.  Which may make AD Woodward worry his days are numbered, which may make him squirm and act erratically.  Who knows.  I'm just speculating.  

Didn't LSU and Florida get on the coaching carousel at the same time last time they were in the market?  We've got to stop meeting like this.  

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« Reply #1069 on: October 29, 2025, 09:25:05 AM »
According to The Athletic, it sounds like Brian Kelly might have had a chance to save his skin but either didn't read the room or didn't care.  They report that OC Joe Sloan's name was at the center of a heated exchange between AD Woodward and Kelly Saturday night after the game, which continued on into Sunday.  Woodward reportedly told Kelly to fire Sloan, and Kelly fired back that he wanted to make other staff moves that Woodward wasn't comfortable with.  Obviously we know how it ended.  If accurate, it's interesting to speculate that Kelly might have saved his job (for now, at least) by going along with the AD, because that's kind of the conclusion I'd draw from the facts offered. 

It's also interesting to me that Woodward singled out Sloan.  I mean, I'm on record here saying Sloan shouldn't be an OC at a place like LSU because he doesn't appear to have the chops for it.  But the other side of the coin is no offensive scheme, and no playcalling brilliance will save you or even look competent when you have an O-line like LSU's.  There is no X's and O's fix for that.  Add to that, the offense had actually been playing better over the last few games.  They weren't scoring a bunch more points, but they were moving the ball better, upping their TOP which should at least help the defense, and off the top of my head, were averaging about a TD more per game, as Nuss got healthier. 

The defense on the other hand....woof.  They just collapsed the last three games in the face of mobile QBs--which they did last year as well under DC Blake Baker. 

So it's interesting to target Sloan and not Baker.  Probably the whole staff needed an overhaul and you probably can't fire everybody mid-season.  Just makes me wonder why pick the OC in light of recent games.  Taking the season as a whole, the defense has obviously been the stronger unit and the offense has been a wreck.  But that doesn't seem to take recent trends into consideration. 

Maybe AD's are just idgits.  This one, in particular, is on the wrong side of his governor, with no current permanent university president buffering the two of them.  Which is another point.....whoever is appointed prez will be friendlier to the governor than to the AD.  Which may make AD Woodward worry his days are numbered, which may make him squirm and act erratically.  Who knows.  I'm just speculating. 

Didn't LSU and Florida get on the coaching carousel at the same time last time they were in the market?  We've got to stop meeting like this. 
I'm with Kelly on this one.  If he's the HC, and wants to make a change, he should be allowed to fire whomever he wants.  If you don't like it, fire me and pay me the $50 MM.  

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #1070 on: October 29, 2025, 09:31:09 AM »
I'm with Kelly on this one.  If he's the HC, and wants to make a change, he should be allowed to fire whomever he wants.  If you don't like it, fire me and pay me the $50 MM. 

So what's this business about settling for $20 mil?  Because of a morals code??

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« Reply #1071 on: October 29, 2025, 09:42:47 AM »
So what's this business about settling for $20 mil?  Because of a morals code??
Well, it was reported/rumored via Twitter/X, but nothing since.  So IDK, what did you hear?  I'm not sure why he would settle for $20MM, unless it was a Bobby Petrino type situation, and even then if you had the goods on him why not just get it out there and pay zero.  Either you have dirt on the guy, or you don't.  

I've always thought that if they really wanted to A&M could've dug up some dirt on Jimbo, with the whole ex-wife situation and then the girlfriend he was with.  Rumors abound that his ex was sleeping with FSU players or something, and this is way before A&M soured on him.  This goes back to FSU days.  Anyways Jimbo struck me as the type of guy to have skeletons, why not pay some PI $1,000,000 to dig up some dirt on him and save $77MM...

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #1072 on: October 29, 2025, 09:51:23 AM »
You could, I'm sure.

When Kansas decided to virtue-signal, they canned Les Miles, supposedly for something that happened back at LSU, which what little investigation ever actually happened didn't really corroborate.

Seems like if you're intent on smearing a coach, you can probably come up with something vague enough that it can't be proven or disproven, but win in the contract settlements.  

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« Reply #1073 on: October 29, 2025, 09:53:41 AM »
I really, really wish somebody would pay me tens of millions of dollars not to coach at LSU or A&M.  

I'd even happily seek employment (or maintain it, in my case), the salary of which would offset their burden of payments.  

Hell, I'll happily not coach at every school if they'd just pay me even a few thousand each.  

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« Reply #1074 on: October 29, 2025, 10:00:14 AM »
Getting the right coach is harder than fans think.  There's a lot to be said for "fit," but I don't know that you can necessarily predict it with any accuracy.  

I'm not one of those who says I knew Kelly wouldn't work out here, he was a poor fit, etc.  I will say I was concerned he might not be a good fit, but I was definitely hopeful about his tenure, and cautiously optimistic.  And, I even got more optimistic after his first season, when he so quickly rebuilt a decimated roster, won the west, and gave us one final win over Alabama.  I kind of, sort of, maybe, not really sure, maintained that optimism when the offense went nuclear the next year, but the historically awful defense gave us the same record, but without a West title.  During the third year is when I became convinced that he'd never lose less than 3 games and would be the first LSU coach in the last four not to win a NC.  

I don't necessarily disagree with his firing.  I'm also not convinced we're about to do better.  I'm not even sure how viable LSU is as a major power in the new $-mercenary world.  But even thinking in the old paradigm, it feels to me like we've entered the Texas-post-Mack phase, we just haven't realized it yet.  It may be a while and another few coaches before somebody really hits again, no matter how good it might seem at the beginning.  

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« Reply #1075 on: October 29, 2025, 10:08:17 AM »
I really, really wish somebody would pay me tens of millions of dollars not to coach at LSU or A&M. 

I'd even happily seek employment (or maintain it, in my case), the salary of which would offset their burden of payments. 

Hell, I'll happily not coach at every school if they'd just pay me even a few thousand each. 
It's a good gig if you can get it. 

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« Reply #1076 on: October 29, 2025, 10:09:58 AM »
Getting the right coach is harder than fans think.  There's a lot to be said for "fit," but I don't know that you can necessarily predict it with any accuracy. 

I'm not one of those who says I knew Kelly wouldn't work out here, he was a poor fit, etc.  I will say I was concerned he might not be a good fit, but I was definitely hopeful about his tenure, and cautiously optimistic.  And, I even got more optimistic after his first season, when he so quickly rebuilt a decimated roster, won the west, and gave us one final win over Alabama.  I kind of, sort of, maybe, not really sure, maintained that optimism when the offense went nuclear the next year, but the historically awful defense gave us the same record, but without a West title.  During the third year is when I became convinced that he'd never lose less than 3 games and would be the first LSU coach in the last four not to win a NC. 

I don't necessarily disagree with his firing.  I'm also not convinced we're about to do better.  I'm not even sure how viable LSU is as a major power in the new $-mercenary world.  But even thinking in the old paradigm, it feels to me like we've entered the Texas-post-Mack phase, we just haven't realized it yet.  It may be a while and another few coaches before somebody really hits again, no matter how good it might seem at the beginning. 
What about the Canes guy?  Todd Graves I think is his name?  Multi-billionaire, LSU alum.  Does he care about LSU sports?  I would think he would be a big supporter.  

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« Reply #1077 on: October 29, 2025, 10:14:33 AM »
Getting the right coach is harder than fans think.  There's a lot to be said for "fit," but I don't know that you can necessarily predict it with any accuracy. 

I'm not one of those who says I knew Kelly wouldn't work out here, he was a poor fit, etc.  I will say I was concerned he might not be a good fit, but I was definitely hopeful about his tenure, and cautiously optimistic.  And, I even got more optimistic after his first season, when he so quickly rebuilt a decimated roster, won the west, and gave us one final win over Alabama.  I kind of, sort of, maybe, not really sure, maintained that optimism when the offense went nuclear the next year, but the historically awful defense gave us the same record, but without a West title.  During the third year is when I became convinced that he'd never lose less than 3 games and would be the first LSU coach in the last four not to win a NC. 

I don't necessarily disagree with his firing.  I'm also not convinced we're about to do better.  I'm not even sure how viable LSU is as a major power in the new $-mercenary world.  But even thinking in the old paradigm, it feels to me like we've entered the Texas-post-Mack phase, we just haven't realized it yet.  It may be a while and another few coaches before somebody really hits again, no matter how good it might seem at the beginning. 

I'm no Nostradamus, but it was pretty easy to see that Kelly is a square peg, and Baton Rouge is a round hole.

 

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