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jgvol

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #658 on: July 21, 2025, 05:43:59 PM »
Your assessment of Tennessee as a viable dark horse candidate is fine and I don't disagree.

I'm talking about their playoff appearance being used as a data point, which is really no different than under the old format where they don't make the playoff, but finish first in line behind the other SEC contenders, and your point stands fine without the playoff really mattering.  To me, citing a team's playoff appearance in this discussion is an appeal to a certain caliber of team, i.e., one that can make the playoffs.  I think you have a good point about Tennessee, I just don't consider their playoff appearance* necessary to your point, and potentially misleading to the casual observer as to the actual quality of last year's team.  That said, I reiterate, while I think it's misleading, it does belie a legit reality, that TENN was next in line and kind of by definition a dark horse candidate.



* if they did appear.  It's possible OSU killed them all in the parking lot before entering the stadium and what we saw was an effect similar to chickens running around with their heads cut off....they're all dead, but their nervous system hasn't figured it out yet. 

There has been some very public innuendo that our shithead 5 star, all-everything, knucklehead QB --- threatened to sit out the week of the game unless he got paid a bonus to play in the game (that his NIL was for regular season only).

I won't use it as an excuse -- we just got clobbered -- but I could see how that scenario may have sewn a bit of discord amongst the team the very few days before the biggest game of their lives.  So there may be something to some folks 'not showing up'.

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #659 on: July 21, 2025, 05:46:36 PM »
I hope that wasn't the case, but sadly, it has something of a ring of truth to it in this day and age.  I mean, it sounds like something one of these kids would do.  

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« Reply #660 on: July 21, 2025, 05:57:18 PM »
I used Tennessee's playoff inclusion, alongside Georgia and Texas, as evidence of their quality as a team.  In this case, specifically, as an SEC team, and being compared to other SEC teams.  And even more specifically, as an SEC team not named Georgia or Texas, being compared to all other SEC teams not named Georgia or Texas.

So I think it's really weird to call out my use of their inclusion in the playoff as an indicator of their relative quality compared to all of the other non-Texas and non-Georgia teams in the SEC, none of which were included in the playoff.

And with that, I'm done with the topic.  I'm actually sorry I even bothered to answer it.


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« Reply #661 on: July 21, 2025, 06:59:14 PM »
Nobody’s acting weird about anything. I don’t know why you keep bringing that up. 

Your opinion on Tennessee winning the SEC as a dark horse candidate is just as valid as if I said it would be Vanderbilt. Then we could discuss why my pick is flawed, and xyz reasons etc. 


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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #662 on: July 21, 2025, 07:50:17 PM »
I hope that wasn't the case, but sadly, it has something of a ring of truth to it in this day and age.  I mean, it sounds like something one of these kids would do. 

https://247sports.com/article/nico-iamaleava-other-players-threatened-to-sit-out-college-football-playoff-games-248756546/amp/

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« Reply #663 on: July 21, 2025, 11:57:42 PM »
Nobody’s acting weird about anything. I don’t know why you keep bringing that up.

Your opinion on Tennessee winning the SEC as a dark horse candidate is just as valid as if I said it would be Vanderbilt. Then we could discuss why my pick is flawed, and xyz reasons etc.



Whatever.  Ole~.  Weak sauce.

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #664 on: July 22, 2025, 08:01:29 AM »
For teams not named UGA, Texas, and Bama, I guess Florida would be my dark horse.  Though I don't know much about A&M this coming year. 
Florida has a brutal schedule.  They could be "playoff worthy" as a team but be 8-4.  The obvious teams would be Tenn and LSU I think, and I'd pick USCe as a rather dark dark horse.  Nothing really new in that.  

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« Reply #665 on: July 22, 2025, 09:19:39 AM »
I probably get LSU as a dark horse from an outsider's perspective.  As a fan, it seems they have too many flaws and have fallen too far in recent years to be capable of surprising us and winning the league.  But I guess that's the point of a dark horse...people don't see them coming.  But that just makes me wonder what's the point of trying to predict something that, by definition, we can't/don't predict.

Cuz it's summer and we're bored, of course :)

Anyway, the story on LSU, as best as I understand it, is the team should be pretty solid, but safety has something to prove and may persist in being a weak link.  Actually, the entire secondary has something to prove with the way they've played the last several years, but the talent at corner at least seems to be capable of being better than they have been.  And then the OL....there are talented guys (supposedly), but they're new, and how long do they need in order to allow the team to be really good?  Sometimes it takes OL units an entire season, that's just the nature of the position, in which case it would be next year before they're great, and LSU's QB will be gone.  And of course, LSU hasn't won an opener in 6 years.  Another opening loss to Clemson wouldn't technically doom the Tigers' season, but team morale may suffer and a lot of fans are either going to check out or wane in interest.  And Brian Kelly will be getting the Ryan Day treatment from fans who remain.  I'm of the opinion that even if slowly, peripherally, and indirectly, fan attitude eventually affects locker rooms.  

So, it's hard to think of them as a dark horse, in the sense that it doesn't feel like they're waiting to surprise me.  But that goes back to my other point, if we saw it coming, we wouldn't be surprised.  And I didn't think our baseball team was championship quality, so what do I know.  

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #666 on: July 22, 2025, 09:29:52 AM »
I've changed my mind.

Texas A&M is the clear dark horse.


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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #667 on: July 22, 2025, 09:33:23 AM »
So, teams that could win the SEC this year aside from the top 2 include:

LSU
USCe
Tenn
Florida
A&M

Maybe we could include Ole Miss.  We're halfway through the teams.

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #668 on: July 22, 2025, 09:55:57 AM »
Are you forgetting Bama, or are they in your top 2?  In which case, did you throw out UGA or Texas?

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #669 on: July 22, 2025, 10:12:31 AM »
So, teams that could win the SEC this year aside from the top 2 include:

LSU
USCe
Tenn
Florida
A&M

Maybe we could include Ole Miss.  We're halfway through the teams.
Pretty close to my line of thinking.  I think I'd put OM before Florida and A&M.  

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #670 on: July 22, 2025, 10:14:46 AM »
Is Alabama really a dark horse?

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #671 on: July 22, 2025, 10:24:34 AM »
I've changed my mind.

Texas A&M is the clear dark horse.
Honestly, and I know you're just trolling, I have all but given up on A&M being anything but a perennial 8-9 win team.  Even when we manage to get that 10th and 11th win every ~12 years, we lose the one game (usually to an inferior opponent) that spoils the whole season.  Last November was brutal as an Aggie fan.  I'd rather just be up shit creek in early October than have a chance at a great season (10+ wins) at the start of November.  




 

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