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MikeDeTiger

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #364 on: December 05, 2024, 05:23:33 PM »
There are plenty of kids who would be happy to be at Texas or LSU.  That makes $ a deciding factor.  
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« Reply #365 on: December 05, 2024, 07:27:31 PM »
Yeah, I'm not sure how recruiting rankings matter anymore.  There needs to be a study of what % of those 4 and 5* kids stay at their initial school.  My guess is it's under 50%, maybe around 30 or so.  
Thought I have to say, Napier seemed to be like a Robin Hood of flipping recruits from the rich to the needy (Florida) all over the place.  It's good news, but hard to tell what actual impact it will have.  

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« Reply #366 on: December 05, 2024, 09:15:19 PM »
Quote from: Mr Tulip on December 05, 2024, 05:14:47 PM
Texas did very well. I'd like a couple more big bodies for the OL and DL, but I always do.
From what's been explained to me, at "our" level (that's the Texas and LSU and Alabama and Georgia type levels), straight NIL payments aren't as big of a deal as one might think. That is, they have to be there, and they need to be adequately on par with one another. However, Texas isn't going to money-whip a player into coming. If the kid isn't inherently considering Texas as a destination, then the staff isn't going to be interested in having him. Most prospects whose uncles or such threaten to decommit if the NIL offer isn't raised will be encouraged to take the higher offer.
There are some kids worth winning a bidding war for, but they're ultra-rare. Even those kids have to have shown some intrinsic desire to play for the Longhorns. This isn't some noble, high-brow ideal. It's a simple recognition of the fact that football is a tough game. If they're only wanting the NIL, they're not going to be a good teammate.
This makes a lot of sense. 
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« Reply #367 on: December 05, 2024, 09:27:06 PM »
I’m with you on this recruiting. Signing day means almost nothing. Most won’t play in year one. Many won’t stay for year two. Big boys will pluck star players from the mids. Players that didn’t pan out will go to the mids. 

In the last 20+ years A&M has almost never been below #10 in recruiting, often finishing in the top 5. In that same time span we’ve only finished top ten ranking twice.  We’ve finished out of the top 25 more than we’ve finished in it. A lot of that is because in that same time span we’ve played in the same division of some of the bluest of the blue blood programs, and faced many of what I call 21st century blue bloods like Florida and LSU. That doesn’t explain all of it though, with bad records against teams like Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Missouri, and Mississippi State. 
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« Reply #368 on: December 06, 2024, 01:19:47 AM »
Florida had NCs in 96, 06, and 08...but we also then had the best recruiting class of all-time (recorded rankings, so maybe like only 20 years) at the end of Meyer's run (since exceeded by others, including A&M), yet that class stunk it up.
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #369 on: December 06, 2024, 07:00:33 AM »
UGA has done well with retention.
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #370 on: December 06, 2024, 07:31:38 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 06, 2024, 01:19:47 AM
Florida had NCs in 96, 06, and 08...but we also then had the best recruiting class of all-time (recorded rankings, so maybe like only 20 years) at the end of Meyer's run (since exceeded by others, including A&M), yet that class stunk it up.
That’s what’s good and bad about the portal. Our #1 recruiting class is vaporware. I have no idea how many are still here, but I’d wager less than 30%. Some of them were straight up thugs, a good amount never lived up to the hype. And obviously the man that recruited them is gone. I wish some reporter would do an article on where they are now. 

I like the way Elko recruits these guys, he cares a lot more about character than Fisher. 
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« Reply #371 on: December 06, 2024, 09:53:00 AM »
Our high character guys got blown out by Alabama, and stunk it up against USC, USCe, A&M, and UF.  
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« Reply #372 on: December 06, 2024, 11:53:45 AM »
Texas won the 2005 NC with a few high character guys and more than a couple gangstas.  I'm okay with that recipe for success.

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« Reply #373 on: December 06, 2024, 12:37:24 PM »
Well, I mean it helped that they had a generational-type QB.  
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« Reply #374 on: December 06, 2024, 12:41:34 PM »
I feel like the phrase "generational talent" is misused.  Maybe we just mean "uncommonly spectacular." 

Was VY a "generational talent" when Tim Tebow was more or less of the same generation?  Was Joe Burrow a "generational talent" when another lsu qb matched his production 4 yrs. later?  i.e., is it right to describe Jayden as a generational talent when another guy did the same stuff 4 years earlier? 

In the latter's case, I feel like what I mean is "they nuked a ton of records and were capable of putting a team on their back."  Which is pretty much what I mean when I reference VY, Tebow, etc.  Colt McCoy may belong in that category as well.  

It seems that every few years guys like that come along, so I don't know that "generational" is the correct word. 
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« Reply #375 on: December 06, 2024, 01:15:10 PM »
Are you arguing with yourself???  You're the one that used that term for Vince Young. :)

Vince Young is the best college football player I've ever watched play the game, but he clearly wasn't the ONLY great player in his "generation." 
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #376 on: December 06, 2024, 01:51:30 PM »
I think hyperbole often gets exaggerated.
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« Reply #377 on: December 06, 2024, 03:43:00 PM »
No, I'm not arguing with myself.  I used a phrase and then wondered out loud if the phrase is accurate while still being adequate.  
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