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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #350 on: November 25, 2024, 10:01:03 AM »
That's not the worst trait that a team can have, but it's a disappointing one. You're always waiting for something to go wrong.
We never have to wait long, in our case.  

Be on the lookout for LSU to put an early good drive together and get down near the goal and get stopped on 3rd and short.  When it's 4th and short, particularly near the goal line, Kelly has consistently gone for it and consistently gotten stopped, gaining no points from a good drive.  He never learns.  They couldn't do it in 2022, Jayden Daniels hid the problem in 2023, they couldn't do it in the opener against USC, they couldn't do it against {insert name of opponent, reiterate throughout season-schedule}, and they couldn't do it against Vanderbilt.  He.  Never.  Learns.  This team can't run the ball. 

It's so common I call it before the sequence happens to my wife and she thinks I'm clairvoyant.  I'm like no, I've just been watching this for three years. 

LSU so desperately wants to run the ball and be good at it.  It's in the program's DNA.  But they haven't been great at it since Miles was run off, and they've outright bad at it in Kelly's time.  If/when there's a 4th and short near the goal (or worse, mid-field, as Kelly is sometimes want to do, to the team's great detriment), if the pattern holds, he'll go for it, wanting to make a statement that dammit, there's improvement, and OU will push our $h!t in at the line and stuff us.  I just hope the crowd shows up like they did for Alabama, and not the checked-out, uninterested, half-full stadium that showed up for Vanderbilt.  I believe our only shot is if OU gets rattled.  

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #351 on: November 25, 2024, 10:13:01 AM »
Tech plays UGA Friday night, which seems odd to me.  I don't recall that happening before, Thursdays yes, not Friday.

The game next year will be played in the MB Dome, not at Tech.

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« Reply #352 on: November 25, 2024, 12:11:12 PM »
So, how 'bout Florida?  I thought Napier didn't cut it for Florida standards the first two seasons, and this year wasn't looking good, but they appear to be on an upswing.  They still lack some players, but that Lagway qb looks like he's going to be really something, and the team overall appears well-coached at the moment.  Not sure where their overall talent level is, but with obvious improvements and the AD firmly standing behind Napier so far, they stand to take a big leap forward next year. 

Wonder what the qb situation will be.  I haven't watched Mertz a ton, but even when he heals up, I think Lagway is the guy.  

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #353 on: November 25, 2024, 12:40:48 PM »
I think Napier and Lagway are "The Guys" for next season.  I wish they had canned Napier back when.  But I noted before I appreciated how Florida had been playing of late.


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« Reply #354 on: December 01, 2024, 02:59:38 PM »
According to one website--no idea if it's accurate or not because I care not a bit for figuring out CCG participants anymore--a lot of LSU fans are left wondering what might have been had played better two weeks ago in Gainseville, as a win against a beatable Florida would have created a three-way tie with Georgia and Tennessee for second place behind Texas, and by tie-breaker rules, LSU would have earned a spot in the CG to face Texas. 

Well, what might have been, is that Texas would've made Texas fans face-palm a number of times and wonder why LSU was still hanging around despite being pile-driven in most meaningful respects.  And LSU fans would've been harshly reminded they are not close to the realm of top teams. 

Still, it's good for a program to make games like those, and I hope Brian Kelly has heartburn, anxiety, and regret over his choices in life.  We didn't belong on the field with UGA in 2022 either, but it was good for the team.  I suspect that might be the last Kelly sniffs of Atlanta.  

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« Reply #355 on: December 01, 2024, 09:54:55 PM »
Lot of Aggie fans are putting up about how this season was ok due to first year coach etc. Not necessarily disagree, 8-4 with key wins against tough competition ( LSU, Mizzou, Florida) and close losses against what has turned out to be a very good USC team is nothing to be ashamed of. 

But making 8-4 or better next season will be tougher. We play @ND, Mizzou, and UTexas, LSU. For those keeping score, we haven’t won in BR in league play yet. 

We do get Auburn and USC at home. 

Almost forgot, no more Jerryworld for Arkansas. We travel to Fayetteville next year. They may be breaking in a new coach as well. 

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #356 on: December 02, 2024, 01:14:03 PM »
I guess here is as good a place as any to mention how funny I found it to watch the Michigan players on the sideline after The Game wincing and grimacing as if crying, as I later found out they had been maced.  Rivalry weekend brought out the feels in a number of games I saw.  Plenty of fisticuffs over the weekend.  Michigan/OSU took the cake, though.  Not saying OSU should have responded, but trying to plant your flag on an opposing team's field is a dick move and if you get smacked for it, that's on you. 

I'm sure the schools get fined for all that, but really the school is barely liable or culpable for the idiocy of teenage imbeciles.  My first reaction is that in cases like that, if we're going to have NIL deals, in some cases massive sums of $, then the kids ought to be fined.  They wanna turn this into the NFL where it's pay-for-play?  Fine, your pay gets docked for dumb actions, just like NFL players.  

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #357 on: December 02, 2024, 05:45:30 PM »
I don't agree with everything here, but some of it I do, and it's an overall perspective that describes and explains my ever-waning interest in cfb.  I'd point out that a lot of what he covers here, @utee94 , @847badgerfan and some others here said would happen as far back as when I joined this board in 2006.  I've now lived long enough for most of this to come to fruition, and the one thing this guy says that hasn't happened yet which will inevitably happen, the guys here saw that coming years ago as well. 



I have zero hope for his solution.  Not just his particular solution, which I wouldn't mind, I guess.  But any solution.  I have zero faith any of the major players have any kind of foresight or sense to see what they're doing to the sport. 



Anyway, I found it to be an interesting take, so I thought I'd share. 



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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #358 on: December 03, 2024, 12:40:09 AM »
I watched that a couple of days ago, it's good stuff.

The biggest thing to me is how short-sighted and predictable the efforts of the elite programs/Big 2 conferences are.  Yes, you have every possible built-in advantage, so your race to the top is a foregone conclusion.  Yes, SEC, you're going to "win" the contest vs the ACC or XII.  Duh.  No shit, Sherlock.
Yes, OSU and USC and Texas and Michigan, you're going to "win" the contest vs the Minnesotas and Virginias and Stanfords of the world.  Duh.  No shit, Sherlock.

And yet the B1G/SEC and top programs are all frothing at the mouth, giving 110% in a competition they can't possibly lose.  They're greyhounds chasing the mechanical rabbit, but racing against bulldogs.  It's embarrassing, really.

For the haves to act so oblivious and not take into account the health of the sport as a whole is just plain stupid.  Aren't these supposed to be places of higher learning?  Tact?  Nuance?  Wisdom?  
Nope, just dogs scarfing down as much food as possible before being caught.  

Asinine.
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #359 on: December 03, 2024, 01:57:57 PM »
Aren't these supposed to be places of higher learning?  Tact?  Nuance?  Wisdom? 
Nope, just dogs scarfing down as much food as possible before being caught. 

One thing I knew but am only just now starting to get my head around the reality of, is just how divorced athletic departments are from the rest of the school.  I've recently been working for a university in operations, and I'm only just now getting the scope of what it means that the sports-ball teams and the academic institution are two different entities.  That probably doesn't explain everything, but it probably explains some of how schools may actually be places of higher learning and wisdom, and the football programs behave like fat rich kids who think they're starving.  

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #360 on: December 04, 2024, 11:03:25 AM »
At this point, who does Brian Kelly think he’s fooling?

“Following a convincing and, yes, impressive, 37-17 win over Oklahoma Saturday night, LSU coach Brian Kelly channeled his inner Deion Sanders…Never mind Oklahoma just finished 6-6.”

“The last two weeks, they listened to the narratives out there that, ‘They were not excited to play,’ and ‘The season was over,’ and they simply went out and played inspired football…So, whatever camp you want to jump into, go right ahead. We had five freshmen and two sophomores on defense today playing their tails off. So, you know, again, we’re taking receipts, and, you know, we’ll see you at the National Championship.”


A National Championship? Who does BK think he’s fooling? Yes, LSU has won two straight over 6-6 teams, but does that balance out earlier disappoints of losing to USC or losing three straight after climbing to a #8 ranking? Does it inspire National Title hopes?

In reality, next season is increasingly murkier after #1 recruit Bryce Underwood flipped to Michigan (followed by one or two other big decommits), and with no reason to believe the OL or RBs will be any better next year, does QB Nussmeier bother sticking around?

Already looking forward to BK’s postgame presser after next season’s opener Vs Clemson.


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« Reply #361 on: December 04, 2024, 12:04:53 PM »
Nuss will probably be back.  He talks as though he's leaning that way, and I think the sub-par interior of the OL really hampered the talk people had about him being a high draft choice.  All QBs suffer from bad OLs, but what it showed was, for all his positives, he doesn't play like a good QB with a bad OL when his OL is bad.  He plays like a back-pedaling twit who throws off his back foot for disaster, or runs away for huge sacks, when in either case, a small sack would've been much more preferable. 

The OL is a mystery.  The interior could hardly be worse than it was this year, you'd think.  But the center will probably be back and he's the main culprit.  The guards are so-so....they could feasibly improve.  The tackles will be worse, hands down.  RT still has to declare, but he's been brilliant in his 3 years, and the LT has declared already.  They are the only OT tandem in cfb I ever saw who started from day 1 as true freshmen.  A rarity that a true fr. OT starts that early, unheard of that two of them do, and unbelievable how good they immediately were except for that we all saw it.  The LT has a total of 2 sacks allowed in 3 years.  RT doesn't have much more than that.  LSU is not going to get better there next year. 

The RBs are fine.  They just need a line that can run-block. 

But yes, we're all looking forward to Kelly's next Presser Cope after LSU bumbles away another winnable opener.  

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #362 on: December 05, 2024, 04:57:02 PM »
Well, how did your recruiting go? 

We lost our prized QB to Michigan, Louisiana's top player to USC, and a prized CB to Texas, all of whom paid them more than our NIL collective would (or could). 

We finished 8th in recruiting according to the 247 composite, which is good, but there are 4 SEC teams who did better, which is bad. 

Even this is all dust in the wind, because half these kids won't be here in a year anyway.  They'll portal out, others will portal in, and I'll have no idea who this roster is when 2025 starts, or 2026. 

By habit I want LSU to be competitive and have a shot any given year.  By virtue of everything that once made me love the sport, I recognize this is some kind of bizarre professional league wearing the decaying skin-suit of cfb.  It's not even the NFL, it's the MLB, where Texas is the Yankees and my team is the Cincinnati Reds. 

Due to school history, history with other teams, and pure profitability of the Athletic Department, I think it's unlikely my team will be left behind in the Conference Realignment Wars, as has happened to some schools by this point.  It also means, I think, that my team will not be where they frequently stand a chance.  If we were left behind, we'd probably do well in the Big 12 for a while, or something.  In the age of MegaCon the All-Consuming, we're probably going to be also-rans. 

Is it better to serve in heaven or reign in hell? 

I'm liking this sport less and less.
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« Reply #363 on: December 05, 2024, 05:14:47 PM »
Texas did very well. I'd like a couple more big bodies for the OL and DL, but I always do.
From what's been explained to me, at "our" level (that's the Texas and LSU and Alabama and Georgia type levels), straight NIL payments aren't as big of a deal as one might think. That is, they have to be there, and they need to be adequately on par with one another. However, Texas isn't going to money-whip a player into coming. If the kid isn't inherently considering Texas as a destination, then the staff isn't going to be interested in having him. Most prospects whose uncles or such threaten to decommit if the NIL offer isn't raised will be encouraged to take the higher offer.
There are some kids worth winning a bidding war for, but they're ultra-rare. Even those kids have to have shown some intrinsic desire to play for the Longhorns. This isn't some noble, high-brow ideal. It's a simple recognition of the fact that football is a tough game. If they're only wanting the NIL, they're not going to be a good teammate.

 

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