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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #322 on: November 19, 2024, 04:41:47 PM »
Fans forget that the HC still has a family and staff that rely on him. Sure, he get paid a lotta cash, but ultimately even the most wealthy schools will find their phone calls not being returned. No one wants to uproot their fortunes and tie them to a place that cuts you loose in less than 5 years.
Texas had to make the Sark hire count. No one was gonna take them seriously if they moved on from him quickly.
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #323 on: November 19, 2024, 04:48:09 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 19, 2024, 04:09:53 PM
I have been ... surprised ... to see Kelly reacting against players on the sidelines.  Maybe the media make too much of it.  And yes, other coaches will "get in your grill".

As I recall, he was always like that at Notre Dame too.  When LSU hired him, I said something on here to the effect of "Saban is now the second angriest guy in the SEC."  

I was actually surprised at how little he reacted on the sidelines in his first two years here compared to the years of ND games I watched when he was coaching.  As for this year, that's happened more than just this past game.  He's been chewing guys out all year on camera.  I guess losing a star QB who hides a multitude of problems will do that to you.  

I do think this was the only time the camera caught a player yelling at Kelly on the sidelines.  Not a good overall look in that game, not to mention the 3 game losing streak.  
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #324 on: November 20, 2024, 10:50:11 AM »
Maybe the camera just found him at a bad time, when this might be fairly common in the sport.

I don't think a coach should chew out a kicker for a missed kick.
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #325 on: November 20, 2024, 01:33:33 PM »
Can't remember if it was the A&M or the Alabama game....we missed 3 fg's, and Kelly chewed out the kicker, long snapper, and holder pretty good.  Granted, it was a comedy of errors and not mere missed kicks, but it's not like they looked any less prepared than the offense or defense.  Don't chew the kids out when they appear to be poorly prepared.  That's on you, coach. 
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #326 on: November 20, 2024, 01:39:38 PM »
Results probably matter.  When Saban or Smart chew out players we probably overlook it more, including the players, because the coach is bringing them somewhere they want to be.  And with guys like them it happens whether they're down by 10 or winning by 40.  

When a coach hasn't proved he can field and lead a complete team, and he only chews guys out when they're losing,.....yeah, I ain't a fan.  And I tend to think it's a sign he knows, even if subconsciously, it's not going well and he doesn't know what to do to fix it.  
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #327 on: November 20, 2024, 01:40:59 PM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on November 20, 2024, 01:39:38 PM
Results probably matter.  When Saban or Smart chew out players we probably overlook it more, including the players, because the coach is bringing them somewhere they want to be.  And with guys like them it happens whether they're down by 10 or winning by 40. 

When a coach hasn't proved he can field and lead a complete team, and he only chews guys out when they're losing,.....yeah, I ain't a fan.  And I tend to think it's a sign he knows, even if subconsciously, it's not going well and he doesn't know what to do to fix it. 

Nobody chewed ass like Will Muschamp.  LOL
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #328 on: November 20, 2024, 01:45:14 PM »
I never got to watch him a ton as a HC but he sure could chew guys out as a DC.  
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #329 on: November 21, 2024, 11:53:38 AM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on November 17, 2024, 07:34:18 PM
Truly, if I were Underwood, I'd go ahead and take Michigan's $10.5 mil and tell LSU peace out.

I mean, I'd take the $ regardless, but whatevs.

The two reasons consistently brought up for why LSU has yet to fire Brian Kelly is 1) Bryce Underwood and 2) his astronomical buyout.

From a CBS Sports article titled Can Bryce Underwood save LSU's Brian Kelly?
“There were always questions about how Kelly would fit in at LSU. Scott Woodward, the school's athletic director, was intent on money-whipping a big name into saying yes after Ed Orgeron's tenure crashed and burned. Woodward repeatedly went hard after Jimbo Fisher, the same man he gave one of the worst contracts in college sports history while serving as Texas A&M's AD. When he couldn't convince Fisher to leave College Station, he eventually wooed Kelly away from South Bend with a massive 10-year, $95 million contract. That decision feels increasingly onerous for a skidding LSU program that would have to pay Kelly more than $60 million to move on from him after this season.”

Re: Woodward, he is to blame for causing a mess LSU can’t get out of. If Kelly is fired, Woodward should unceremoniously go as well. Woodward is only in the game to give himself a pat on the back, and he does so by bestowing bloated contracts to underserving hotheads.

A lot can be said about incompetence capsizing an organization. And with Woodward and Kelly we’re seeing how incompetence can be compounded by a superior’s incompetence being so bad it enables the incompetence of others. Woodward’s incompetence has trapped LSU to Brian Kelly’s incompetence.
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #330 on: November 21, 2024, 01:32:39 PM »
I don't think anybody at LSU is even thinking about getting rid of Kelly.  Not even if they close the season with losses to Vandy and OU for a total of 5 straight.  And that's disregarding the buyout. 

Seems like they are happy to keep him at least one more season no matter what.  If he under-delivers next year, the seat could get warm.  Still not sure he'd be fired.  There seems to be a lot of belief in him regardless of the results on the field. I don't hear any chatter that donors are in a hurry to move on.  

But what do I know.  
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #331 on: November 21, 2024, 01:48:13 PM »
I'd bet SOME people at LSU are thinking about it.

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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #332 on: November 22, 2024, 12:09:54 PM »
Anecdotally, there seemed to be some fan apathy about Kelly's performance as well.  Now that Underwood decommitted and committed to Michigan, some of the fans appear to show signs of getting restless. 

For that kind of thing, fans don't amount to much, imo.  It's all about the AD, the big donors, and the bottom line. 

I couldn't tell you what they're thinking. 

If LSU loses to Vanderbilt for the first time since 1990, it will mark their first 4-game losing streak since 1999, Gerry DiNardo's last year. 

Is it sick if I kinda want to see it happen?  Some twisted part of me wants to see how bad it can get, and we're on such a roll since 2020.  
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #333 on: November 22, 2024, 12:30:01 PM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on November 21, 2024, 01:32:39 PM
I don't think anybody at LSU is even thinking about getting rid of Kelly.  Not even if they close the season with losses to Vandy and OU for a total of 5 straight.  And that's disregarding the buyout.
Now that Underwood decommitted and committed to Michigan, some of the fans appear to show signs of getting restless.
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #334 on: November 22, 2024, 02:19:22 PM »
Okay, you stumped me.  You quoted me twice with no follow-up and I'm not sure what you're saying.  
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Re: SEC Front Porch
« Reply #335 on: November 22, 2024, 02:45:23 PM »
I probably stumped me as well.
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