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« Reply #126 on: Today at 10:29:15 AM »
I don't get the A&M-Texas line.  The Aggies are legit and Texas is....not great.

Was just looking at the FEI and F+ advanced stats.  Can't see the S&P+ anymore since Bill Connolly tooks his toys and went home behind a paywall, but the F+ is some undefined combination of the S&P+ (per play metric) and FEI (per drive metric).  

Texas is ranked #21 overall in the F+, with the 12th ranked defense and 38th ranked offense.  Texas A&M is #9 overall in the F+, with the 16 ranked defense and 8th ranked offense.  

If you use a little non-artificial intelligence to polish that summary, it could be argued that Texas' offense of late is now better than it's F+ season average.  

Since the game is in Austin, it seems to have the statistical makings of a good game.  We'll see.  

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« Reply #127 on: Today at 10:34:36 AM »
F+ for LSU @ OU:

LSU is ranked #32 overall, with the 9th ranked defense and 77th ranked offense.  

OU is ranked #13 overall, with the 4th ranked defense and 45th ranked offense.  

Wouldn't expect much scoring here, but OU certainly has the edge.

Add to that, the special teams rankings have OU #5 and LSU #60.  

I'm a little surprised the injuries and poor showing against dual threat QBs didn't hurt LSU's defensive ranking more, but they've been really good against QBs who don't do a lot of damage with their legs.  

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Re: SEC Champion 2025
« Reply #128 on: Today at 10:45:40 AM »
Why is the game being played at the Falcons place, and how long has that been going on? 

Why do teams feel the need to do stuff like this?  Games between the hedges are awesome, and presumably Bobby Dodd stadium has it's own unique flare too, almost every place does.  Why sterilize this in an NFL venue like it's the SEC CG?
This has been going on for, I dunno, zero years.

Why do most things happen in life today?  $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

MB stadium does have more seats than the Tech stadium.  Tech is no doubt getting a handsome payout.  Bobby Dodd stadium at Grant Field is an ancient stadium in dire need of updates.  It's probably the ugliest venue I've visited.  

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« Reply #129 on: Today at 10:59:01 AM »
Before the UGA-Texas game, I glanced at scores of course, and noted Texas had been in some close ones against lesser quality teams, and of course got ambushed in the Swamp.  On the other hand, they have a ton of talent, enough to be very dangerous.  They beat OU in a rivalry of course and Vandy, who looks pretty solid.  But like GaTech, a team with a nice record but a lot of close wins might not be all that and "regress to the mean".

Anyway, we all know real rivalry games seem often to go against the spread.


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« Reply #130 on: Today at 11:48:17 AM »
Georgia Tech Cashes In on Home Game Move With Zero Regrets | Fanrecap.com

But when Georgia Tech faces off against archrival Georgia this Friday, it won’t be at their historic home stadium. Instead, the two teams will meet just a few miles away at Mercedes-Benz Stadium, a neutral-site venue that could very well tilt in Georgia’s favor when it comes to crowd noise.
The reason? Georgia Tech sold the rights to host the game for $10 million.
That decision, made more than a year ago by a now-departed athletic director, came at a time when the Yellow Jackets were still trying to find their footing under head coach Brent Key. The program wasn’t yet flirting with College Football Playoff contention.



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« Reply #131 on: Today at 11:56:47 AM »
Not many people know that LSU's full name is Louisiana State University and Agricultural and Mechanical College.

I don't think that most people know that William T. Sherman was on the faculty president of what was then known as the Louisiana State Seminary of Learning & Military Academy right before the Civil War.

In late 1860, he wrote this to a friend on the faculty:

You people of the South don’t know what you are doing. This country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don’t know what you’re talking about. War is a terrible thing! You mistake, too, the people of the North. They are a peaceable people but an earnest people, and they will fight, too. They are not going to let this country be destroyed without a mighty effort to save it … Besides, where are your men and appliances of war to contend against them? The North can make a steam engine, locomotive, or railway car; hardly a yard of cloth or pair of shoes can you make. You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth — right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with. At first you will make headway, but as your limited resources begin to fail, shut out from the markets of Europe as you will be, your cause will begin to wane. If your people will but stop and think, they must see in the end that you will surely fail.
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« Reply #132 on: Today at 11:59:57 AM »
William Tecumseh Sherman was the first president of the Louisiana State Seminary of Learning and Military Academy, the institution that would eventually become LSU. He served from 1859 to 1861, during which time he established the school's curriculum, hired professors, and wrote its rules. He was responsible for teaching engineering and military tactics to the cadets. 

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« Reply #133 on: Today at 12:01:21 PM »
Ahah! Thank you for the correction, CD.
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« Reply #134 on: Today at 12:06:30 PM »
Sherman is pretty quotable, I think.  He's probably my favorite CW general, oddly enough.  Maybe his tactics were not brilliant all the time, but he seemed to have a strategic grasp of how to end the dang war.  I wonder at times how he would have handled the Army of the Potomac in 1864.

But I digress.

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« Reply #135 on: Today at 12:55:25 PM »
Before the UGA-Texas game, I glanced at scores of course, and noted Texas had been in some close ones against lesser quality teams, and of course got ambushed in the Swamp.  On the other hand, they have a ton of talent, enough to be very dangerous.  They beat OU in a rivalry of course and Vandy, who looks pretty solid.  But like GaTech, a team with a nice record but a lot of close wins might not be all that and "regress to the mean".

Anyway, we all know real rivalry games seem often to go against the spread.



Spread?  I'm not sure.  Gambling is for stupid people and I'm not stupid.

As far as the old rivalry saying "throw out the record books!" Well, Texas-TAMU really isn't like this.  There are occasional upsets but generally the better team wins.

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« Reply #136 on: Today at 12:59:33 PM »
Spread?  I'm not sure.  Gambling is for stupid people and I'm not stupid.

As far as the old rivalry saying "throw out the record books!" Well, Texas-TAMU really isn't like this.  There are occasional upsets but generally the better team wins.


As far as the game THIS year is concerned, I expect it to be pretty close, I expect a lot of offense, I expect a lot of what appears to be defensive breakdowns, and I think Texas will win by just a bit.

The Horns are playing putrid on the road but if you look at the home plus neutral site games, Texas plays much better when they're not a true visitor. 

If this game were in College Station I'd predict an Ag win.  I'm very glad it's in Austin this year.

But I'll go ahead and tell myself-- the Texas-TAMU thread is over there ------> :)

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« Reply #137 on: Today at 01:19:36 PM »
I don't think that most people know that William T. Sherman was on the faculty president of what was then known as the Louisiana State Seminary of Learning & Military Academy right before the Civil War.

In late 1860, he wrote this to a friend on the faculty:

You people of the South don’t know what you are doing. This country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don’t know what you’re talking about. War is a terrible thing! You mistake, too, the people of the North. They are a peaceable people but an earnest people, and they will fight, too. They are not going to let this country be destroyed without a mighty effort to save it … Besides, where are your men and appliances of war to contend against them? The North can make a steam engine, locomotive, or railway car; hardly a yard of cloth or pair of shoes can you make. You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth — right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with. At first you will make headway, but as your limited resources begin to fail, shut out from the markets of Europe as you will be, your cause will begin to wane. If your people will but stop and think, they must see in the end that you will surely fail.

Yes, I knew that Sherman was the first president at LSU (not "LSU" back then).  I have not ever read that letter.  Rather prescient, and well-worded.  He appears to have been a decent writer. 

I'm not nearly enough of a historian know the ins and outs, but the Mississippi River is such an important trade commodity that it seems the South should have expected some advantage as far as trade with Europe and anyone else, contrary to Sherman's words here.  Its ports, presumably, would've been under control of the South. 

But maybe he meant something else, or the situation was, most likely, much more intricate than I understand.  
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« Reply #138 on: Today at 01:22:25 PM »
Sherman is pretty quotable, I think.  He's probably my favorite CW general, oddly enough.  Maybe his tactics were not brilliant all the time, but he seemed to have a strategic grasp of how to end the dang war.  I wonder at times how he would have handled the Army of the Potomac in 1864.

But I digress.

From what little I learned about him in school, he seems to be regarded as not nearly the military mind of Robert E. Lee--who may have been the only reason the under-supplied South had any success at all.

He did have enough sense to burn Atlanta to the ground, which in my estimation should probably be taken as the beginning of LSU's all-time dominance over UGA :)

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