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MikeDeTiger

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Re: SEC Champion 2025
« Reply #98 on: November 19, 2025, 03:49:15 PM »
We had something similar happen in about 2004 vs OU.  Our best receiver/PR muffed the punt near the end of the game with A&M leading, OU recovered on like the 5 yard line or something.  Trying to remember our PR guys name, it was a terrible mistake that pretty much cost us the game.  It was later found out when he barely got into the NFL he had some kind of major injury or suffered one early or something and never played pro ball.  Terrance Murphy, I just remembered.  He's supposedly a big shot business man in BCS area now. 

I was at the 2004 game in College Station between A&M and OU.  I don't remember the muffed punt, but I remember some other details, some apparently incorrectly.  I thought I remembered A&M taking a 28-14 lead into the half, but I looked it up and it was 28-21.  And the final score was closer than I remembered.....I thought OU kinda shut down A&M in the second half and ran away with it, but A&M did score a TD in the 4th and it was a one score game.  But the 14-0 3rd quarter in favor of OU makes my memory think second-half blowout, similar to what A&M just did to LSU, although OU only took a 7 pt lead into the 4th, according to the webz.  I also remember a great desire from the fans there for revenge and redemption, because, iirc, the year earlier was when OU had mercilessly beaten A&M 77-0, which is still the worst thing I've ever seen on television, ever.  

I believe (didn't look this up) Reggie McNeal was the Aggie QB at that time.  I know for sure Adrian Peterson was with OU that day, and I was highly impressed by him in person.  

My one and only foray into the Aggie sanctuary, to this day.  My cousin was a student at the time and I met him there, though I don't think we were sitting the student section.  We had really good seats tho, and I was there.  In a green shirt.  Literally the only person in the entire section, perhaps stadium, not wearing maroon.  I've wondered, since that game was probably on tv, if the camera ever caught the oddity.....I should've stuck out like a sore thumb.  I later would spend more than a year working in College Station, but I never went back to a game.  

A girl I was after at the time was in the cool-kids suite because she was also being pursued by the Chancellor's son.....this schmuck, who had just put this book out.....so she had the luxury-box experience that day.  He was older than me, had a way better lifestyle (dunno if he made lots of money or his family just had it, or both) and drove a way nicer car than me.  Fortunately, he had the personality of a platypus (my opinion, no one else's) and I got her anyway.  She was a Longhorn fan anyway, from Austin, where I knew her from, so there was really no sense in her getting tangled up with an Aggie like that.  Made way more sense to get tangled up with a poor, but way cooler, tiger like myself. 

Anyway, it was a good time with a great atmosphere, I reckon.  Just never could figure out why the fan chants kept sawing the Horns off.....of Oklahoma?   

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Re: SEC Champion 2025
« Reply #99 on: November 19, 2025, 03:49:43 PM »
What's worse is when the other team rushes two linemen and get a sack.

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Re: SEC Champion 2025
« Reply #100 on: November 19, 2025, 03:54:18 PM »
It's a pity, as I said before, that making the CG can have a pretty dark downside.


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« Reply #101 on: November 19, 2025, 03:59:20 PM »
What's worse is when the other team rushes two linemen and get a sack.

We've gotten sacked all year when 3 DLs rush against our 5 OLs.  First it was frustrating, then it was just sad, and finally it was kinda funny.  Sean McDonough seemed to be actually irritated by the whole thing during our Alabama game, which was funny, because those guys don't usually express sentiments like that, especially for teams they have no vested interest in.

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« Reply #102 on: November 19, 2025, 04:14:45 PM »
I was at the 2004 game in College Station between A&M and OU.  I don't remember the muffed punt, but I remember some other details, some apparently incorrectly.  I thought I remembered A&M taking a 28-14 lead into the half, but I looked it up and it was 28-21.  And the final score was closer than I remembered.....I thought OU kinda shut down A&M in the second half and ran away with it, but A&M did score a TD in the 4th and it was a one score game.  But the 14-0 3rd quarter in favor of OU makes my memory think second-half blowout, similar to what A&M just did to LSU, although OU only took a 7 pt lead into the 4th, according to the webz.  I also remember a great desire from the fans there for revenge and redemption, because, iirc, the year earlier was when OU had mercilessly beaten A&M 77-0, which is still the worst thing I've ever seen on television, ever. 

I believe (didn't look this up) Reggie McNeal was the Aggie QB at that time.  I know for sure Adrian Peterson was with OU that day, and I was highly impressed by him in person. 

My one and only foray into the Aggie sanctuary, to this day.  My cousin was a student at the time and I met him there, though I don't think we were sitting the student section.  We had really good seats tho, and I was there.  In a green shirt.  Literally the only person in the entire section, perhaps stadium, not wearing maroon.  I've wondered, since that game was probably on tv, if the camera ever caught the oddity.....I should've stuck out like a sore thumb.  I later would spend more than a year working in College Station, but I never went back to a game. 

A girl I was after at the time was in the cool-kids suite because she was also being pursued by the Chancellor's son.....this schmuck, who had just put this book out.....so she had the luxury-box experience that day.  He was older than me, had a way better lifestyle (dunno if he made lots of money or his family just had it, or both) and drove a way nicer car than me.  Fortunately, he had the personality of a platypus (my opinion, no one else's) and I got her anyway.  She was a Longhorn fan anyway, from Austin, where I knew her from, so there was really no sense in her getting tangled up with an Aggie like that.  Made way more sense to get tangled up with a poor, but way cooler, tiger like myself.

Anyway, it was a good time with a great atmosphere, I reckon.  Just never could figure out why the fan chants kept sawing the Horns off.....of Oklahoma? 
A little more backstory...in 2000 A&M nearly upset OU at Kyle.  A very late int-return-TD was the difference.  This was the OU national championship team.  In 2002, we beat #1 OU at Kyle, RC's last season.  In 2003, OU decapitated us 77-0.  I didn't actually watch the game, but I heard it was an abject disaster.  Somebody should do a 20+ years later backstory on that one, because that score is absurd.  I heard that OU actually quit playing sometime during the 3rd quarter, just backups and falling down and stuff, it was that bad.  
So yes the 2004 game was a heartbreaker.  I don't think we beat OU again until 2010, but we came real close at Kyle again in about 2006.  The worst part was that in 2010 we beat OU, by 10 points or something, but lost the 3 way tie to represent the Big 12 South in the CCG.  What a shame.  

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Re: SEC Champion 2025
« Reply #103 on: November 19, 2025, 05:59:22 PM »
A little more backstory...in 2000 A&M nearly upset OU at Kyle.  A very late int-return-TD was the difference.  This was the OU national championship team.  In 2002, we beat #1 OU at Kyle, RC's last season.  In 2003, OU decapitated us 77-0.  I didn't actually watch the game, but I heard it was an abject disaster.  Somebody should do a 20+ years later backstory on that one, because that score is absurd.  I heard that OU actually quit playing sometime during the 3rd quarter, just backups and falling down and stuff, it was that bad.    

I watched it on TV.  I had second-hand embarrassment and anger.  They didn't score in the 4th quarter, and I think their tailback (Kejuan Jones?) did fall down at some point at the angry behest of the OU coaches, for fear he was about to score again.  But as I recall, OU pretty much quit throwing the ball the entire second half.  I kept thinking they're embarrassing A&M, but what are they supposed to do, they're playing the most vanilla, predictable game possible at this point, but A&M just won't stop them.  A&M looked flat out slow compared to OU.  I don't know if the difference in athleticism was that great, because there can be a difference in true speed and game speed, but it was near comical on tv.  The Aggies looked like they were running in mud compared to the OU kids.  

Actually, in 2019 I hoped we piled on A&M worse and beat that record due to the mind-boggling 7 OT game we lost the year before where we won it twice before we finally lost it (thanks, refs).  I also hoped we did the same thing to Oklahoma in the playoffs, just to say we got them worse than they got the Aggies that day.  In both cases, I think we could've busted 77 if they'd kept the pedal to the metal, though we weren't going to hold OU to 0 points with CeeDee Lamb.   

But it kinda underscores how.....bad....A&M looked that day.  Even having watched it, it's hard to fathom trying to hit the brakes, and you still win 77-0.  

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Re: SEC Champion 2025
« Reply #104 on: Today at 08:26:28 AM »
Well it has to be obvious that the kids quit on the coaches. There were trickles of information coming out years later where it was alluded that the players ended up hating Coach Fran, he was abusive, all kinds of innuendo. 

Weirdly, we beat somebody else right before that game 70 something, but it wasn’t 70 to zero. Like 70-20 or something. It may have been Baylor. 

If you think about it, even when teams like The Citadel play Alabama, they usually score a few points. Maybe 3 or 10.  55-6, 45-3. But 77-0?  Never happens.  

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« Reply #105 on: Today at 09:52:49 AM »
Yeah, both the 77 and the 0 are highly irregular and hard to come by.  To have both of them happen in the same game is.....something.  

apropos of nothing, Dusty Dvoracek was on that OU team.  I hated him as a broadcaster in his early days, but he's one of the ones who really improved over his first few years and now I don't mind when he's in the booth at all.  

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« Reply #106 on: Today at 10:01:02 AM »
Again, I've always felt that there had to be a little backstory to that one.  Something behind the scenes that transpired, either between Fran and Stoops, or possibly some of the players who had to have had some kind of relationship either in HS or whatever.  Just simply winning the previous years game by a slim margin isn't enough motivation to kill somebody like that.  

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« Reply #107 on: Today at 11:25:58 AM »
I missed the Big 12 Championship game that year against K-State where apparently Darren Sproles went berserk on OU, so I never knew exactly what happened on the field in that game and if there were any clues as to a story behind it.  I remember feeling like the media couldn't have been helpful, who spent the entire week explaining that OU's lead in the BCS was so commanding that they could lose the game and still be ranked #1.  Turns out, they were proved to be correct.  I wondered if the OU players heard all that and if that kind of thing can get in your head.  KSU has to be given their due credit too, of course.  

What I did know (I thought, at least) was that they were a far, far better team than the B12CG showed, and they were gonna be pissed, especially with the media thereafter acting like they hadn't been hyping them up all year as the Greatest Team Of All Time and crying and moaning for a USC vs. LSU matchup and to leave OU out.  OU was going to be more dangerous than ever.  And they had murder-balled nearly every team, sans KSU.  And despite the 2001 SEC CG two years earlier for LSU, which seemed a bit fluky anyway, my brain was still stuck in the 90's and I didn't perceive LSU the way I would in the years that followed.  And the NC was in fact a close affair, 21-14 with a defensive TD being the difference.  And that remained my perception for quite a while.

One day I rewatched that NC game, and then sometime later I rewatched it again just to be sure I wasn't crazy the first time.  Rewatching without emotion and without adrenaline and excitement......LSU whipped OU's ass that day, everywhere except the scoreboard.  The game shouldn't have been a one-score game, and OU was lucky to keep it that way.  They gained 154 total yards, less than half of what LSU gained, and just 52 rushing, which isn't going to win you many games.  LSU won the turnover battle and also the field position battle most of the game.  OU got half their points on a turnover that gave them first and goal, and then they still needed a penalty and an extra set of downs to get the ball in the endzone.  Only a dumb LSU penalty when the players were pretty much already celebrating near the end kept LSU from scoring again, at least a FG to make it a two-score game.  

I think I credit that game with making me expect LSU to hang with the big dogs instead of expecting a loss.  

Also, Bob Stoops kicked a puppy during that game. 

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« Reply #108 on: Today at 11:43:59 AM »
I missed the Big 12 Championship game that year against K-State where apparently Darren Sproles went berserk on OU, so I never knew exactly what happened on the field in that game and if there were any clues as to a story behind it.  I remember feeling like the media couldn't have been helpful, who spent the entire week explaining that OU's lead in the BCS was so commanding that they could lose the game and still be ranked #1.  Turns out, they were proved to be correct.  I wondered if the OU players heard all that and if that kind of thing can get in your head.  KSU has to be given their due credit too, of course. 

What I did know (I thought, at least) was that they were a far, far better team than the B12CG showed, and they were gonna be pissed, especially with the media thereafter acting like they hadn't been hyping them up all year as the Greatest Team Of All Time and crying and moaning for a USC vs. LSU matchup and to leave OU out.  OU was going to be more dangerous than ever.  And they had murder-balled nearly every team, sans KSU.  And despite the 2001 SEC CG two years earlier for LSU, which seemed a bit fluky anyway, my brain was still stuck in the 90's and I didn't perceive LSU the way I would in the years that followed.  And the NC was in fact a close affair, 21-14 with a defensive TD being the difference.  And that remained my perception for quite a while.

One day I rewatched that NC game, and then sometime later I rewatched it again just to be sure I wasn't crazy the first time.  Rewatching without emotion and without adrenaline and excitement......LSU whipped OU's ass that day, everywhere except the scoreboard.  The game shouldn't have been a one-score game, and OU was lucky to keep it that way.  They gained 154 total yards, less than half of what LSU gained, and just 52 rushing, which isn't going to win you many games.  LSU won the turnover battle and also the field position battle most of the game.  OU got half their points on a turnover that gave them first and goal, and then they still needed a penalty and an extra set of downs to get the ball in the endzone.  Only a dumb LSU penalty when the players were pretty much already celebrating near the end kept LSU from scoring again, at least a FG to make it a two-score game. 

I think I credit that game with making me expect LSU to hang with the big dogs instead of expecting a loss. 

Also, Bob Stoops kicked a puppy during that game.
I do remember all the hype about that OU team.  This was when the Big 12 was still a "proper" conference, and before UT had won their MNC in 2005.  But there for awhile, it was all-OU.  The SEC at the time was not near as elite as it is considered to be now.  Anyways I don't think hardly anybody gave LSU much chance to win the game, and still to this day I kinda regard that BCS game as when the SEC "came into it's own", and started a pretty long winning streak of BCS/MNC/CFP championships.  I think that the SEC went on to win like 9/10 of all the MNC after that game, with the exception being 2005 Texas, and USC in 04.  

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« Reply #109 on: Today at 01:02:33 PM »
Yeah, maybe retroactively it could be viewed that way.  As you said, USC and Texas won the next two years, so I'm not sure how it was perceived at the time.

Florida began the SEC's BCS run in earnest in the 2006 season.  People really gave them no chance against Ohio State, but they blew them out.  In my perception, that was the game set the SEC apart from the rest for a while.  Which did coincide with the actual SEC run from '06 - '12. 

 

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