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Topic: OU/Texas to SEC

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Re: OU/Texas to SEC
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2021, 11:04:45 PM »
Both Tulane and La Tech are small schools. Less than 15k students.
Those are monsters compared to Tulsa, which has ca. 4,000 students.
When I was a student at OU in the '70s, enrollment was barely 20,000/
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Re: OU/Texas to SEC
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2021, 09:08:56 AM »
You're referring to the Grant of Rights.  The Big 12 members signed their 1st tier rights to the conference until 2025 so that if a member leaves, the rights to their games remain with the conference.  That is why the date 2025 comes up when talking about OU/TX leaving.  That is in addition to the exit penalties. In theory, it sounds like a real sticking point.  In reality, not so much. 
A former poster, Pirate's Roost had some very good legal explanations why.

Yes, exactly.  I wish he were still around, I'd love to hear his take on these current goings-on.

I'm no attorney, but in lay terms, it looks like this.  Texas and OU announce their intent to go to the SEC and, let's say, it starts in the Fall of 2022.  They've "granted their rights" of television broadcasting to the B12 through 2025.  

But on September 3rd, 2022, when the Louisiana-Monroe Warhawks show up in Austin, it's the SEC's broadcasting crew from either CBS or ESPN or SECN that shows up to televise the game.  It's not the B12's broadcasting crew from Fox.  There's no "television broadcasting police" that is going to show up and force Texas to allow a Fox crew to broadcast it.

So for the remainder of the 2022 season, Texas broadcasts its home games through the SEC's contracts with Disney and CBS.  At the end of the SEC fiscal year, the SEC pays Texas its portion of the total SEC distribution for all sports broadcasting.  That money is in Texas' hands, not the B12's.

Now, the B12 could withhold the prior year's distribution, since those don't go out until the end of the fiscal year and I think that happens sometime in the summer.  And the B12 could also sue Texas and OU for whatever portion of the SEC distribution they feel covers the GOR contractual obligation.

But in reality, suing a public university is extremely difficult, and it's expensive, and consequently it never gets that far.  In the end, it's just another negotiated settlement that ultimately will end up being less than the stated contractual amount, and most likely it will be significantly less.

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Re: OU/Texas to SEC
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2021, 10:01:45 AM »
Good points, utee.  There is also the matter that ESPN has claim to some of the OU - Texas games whether they are in the Big 12 or the SEC.  Oddly enough, both OU and Texas had a strangely high number of OOC games scheduled with the SEC over the next few years. :72:

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« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2021, 11:39:27 AM »
Curious, isn't it...?

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Re: OU/Texas to SEC
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2021, 10:45:38 AM »
I know UGA scheduled series with OU and TX.  I  guess that is altered now.  UGA also had scheduled OSU and FSU and Clemson, so it wasn't unique to those first teams.


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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2021, 11:08:24 AM »
OU had scheduled UGA, Tennessee, LSU and Alabama home & home series but that is spread out until 2033.  I thought they had Arkansas but I checked and it is Arkansas State.

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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2021, 11:55:39 AM »
Horns have Alabama, Florida, and Georgia on the upcoming OOC schedule. 

We also have Ohio State and Michigan.  I guess we'll need to change the first three to something else.  I'd like to see Clemson, USC, and Notre Dame as replacements.


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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2021, 11:59:06 AM »
Maybe not necessarily. We are changing to a 9 game schedule from all accounts. So if the former OOC game occurs in the same season you would otherwise play then you’re just shifting from a ooc oponent to an in conference opponent. 

Plus really by the time this thing ripples through all the conferences and such all the schedules will have to change. 

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Re: OU/Texas to SEC
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2021, 12:26:44 PM »
I imagine a lot is going to shift around now.  Playing 9 conference games AND Clemson, FSU, and Tech, seems like a lot to me.

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Re: OU/Texas to SEC
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2021, 02:51:04 PM »
FTR, OU has the following OOC games scheduled:

2021: Nebraska, Tulane, W. Carolina

2022: Nebraska, UTEP, Kent State

2023: Georgia, Tulsa, Arkansas St.

2024: Tennessee, Temple, Tulane

2025: Michigan, Temple

2026: Michigan, New Mexico, UTEP

2027: LSU

2028: LSU, Temple

2029: Nebraska

2030: Nebraska, Tulsa

3031: Georgia

2032: Alabama

2033: Alabama

2034: N/A

2035: Clemson

2036: Clemson

I imagine that the games vs. B1G and ACC opponents will remain.  I hope so.
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Re: OU/Texas to SEC
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2021, 03:51:45 PM »
Maybe not necessarily. We are changing to a 9 game schedule from all accounts. So if the former OOC game occurs in the same season you would otherwise play then you’re just shifting from a ooc oponent to an in conference opponent.

Plus really by the time this thing ripples through all the conferences and such all the schedules will have to change.
We've got 3 teams, 6 games, scheduled over the next 12 years, with the SEC.  I doubt many of those are going to line up in the correct years.

Also, Texas is already on a 9-conference-game schedule, so shifting those OOC matchups with SEC teams to the in-conference schedule, still leaves holes in our upcoming OOC slots.

And I'd love to see those filled with teams like ND and Clemson and USC.  

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« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2021, 04:12:38 PM »
There will be lots and lots of slots open from the old B12 schools. No worries. 

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Re: OU/Texas to SEC
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2021, 04:42:15 PM »
FTR, OU has the following OOC games scheduled:

2021: Nebraska, Tulane, W. Carolina

2022: Nebraska, UTEP, Kent State

2023: Georgia, Tulsa, Arkansas St.

2024: Tennessee, Temple, Tulane

2025: Michigan, Temple

2026: Michigan, New Mexico, UTEP

2027: LSU

2028: LSU, Temple

2029: Nebraska

2030: Nebraska, Tulsa

3031: Georgia

2032: Alabama

2033: Alabama

2034: N/A

2035: Clemson

2036: Clemson

I imagine that the games vs. B1G and ACC opponents will remain.  I hope so.
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Re: OU/Texas to SEC
« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2021, 04:49:21 PM »
all that work wasted
Getting the Georgia series scheduled was really difficult.
OU wanted a great OOC opponent for the Centennial of Oklahoma Memorial Stadium in 2023, and Georgia was the pick.  Note when the return game was scheduled.
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