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847badgerfan

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Re: Next 'new' SEC champion?
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2021, 03:47:28 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 07, 2021, 11:11:41 AM
Arkansas has been a power in the past, well, so has Ole Miss if we go back another decade from Arky.  Missouri has had strong teams.  I almost never say "Never", but I'd say that about Vandy.  I would be quite surprised if Ole Miss or Miss State got to the CG, same with USCe and UK in my lifetime.  I wonder if Tenn would make it back.

I hope that is a lot of years yet.
Miss State got there in 1998, and lost by 10 to #1 Tennessee.
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Re: Next 'new' SEC champion?
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2021, 10:50:59 PM »
Carolina did, too, under Spurrier in 2010.  Got waxed by Auburn and Cam Newton.
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Re: Next 'new' SEC champion?
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2021, 10:59:51 PM »
SECCG by appearances (1992-2020):
13 - Alabama, Florida
8 - Georgia
6 - LSU, Auburn
5 - Tennessee
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3 - Arkansas
2 - Missouri
1 - Miss State, S.Carolina
0 - Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Texas A&M
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Why did I put a line there?
Above the line, every program has at least 2 wins (SEC Championships)
Below the line, every program is winless
So while the Hogs have been there 3 times, they were held to a FG twice (didn't compete).  In all the games by the have-nots (6 in total), none have come within 10 points of a win (and 3 have been massive blowouts).
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Re: Next 'new' SEC champion?
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2021, 08:13:16 AM »
I'd still be surprised if any of those teams got to the CG in my lifetime, whether they've been before or not.

Surprises do happen of course.

The West at the moment is like the B1G East, it's hard to see any of the "down programs" getting there because they likely need Bama/LSU/Auburn ALL to be down (8-4ish).

And that has to pair with Arky or someone being "up"  I think A&M obviously can make it.

In the East, it's not as tough if you consider UGA/UF have to slide to make room coupled with someone having a solid year and winning the right games.
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« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2021, 08:48:32 AM »
Yeah, I mean Carolina went 11-2 for three straight years, and all they got was 1 appearance in Atlanta and a blowout loss there.
Kentucky has just had a 50-year peak and wasn't close to winning the East.  
Vanderbilt is utterly, literally irrelevant.  
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Mississippi is not big enough, population-wise, to support 2 successful P5 football programs.  
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Re: Next 'new' SEC champion?
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2021, 09:13:28 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 08, 2021, 08:13:16 AM
I'd still be surprised if any of those teams got to the CG in my lifetime, whether they've been before or not.

Surprises do happen of course.

The West at the moment is like the B1G East, it's hard to see any of the "down programs" getting there because they likely need Bama/LSU/Auburn ALL to be down (8-4ish).

And that has to pair with Arky or someone being "up"  I think A&M obviously can make it.

In the East, it's not as tough if you consider UGA/UF have to slide to make room coupled with someone having a solid year and winning the right games.

LOL.  Not much different over here, are you?

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Re: Next 'new' SEC champion?
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2021, 05:17:07 PM »
Yeah, I should have made the point more clearly.
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Re: Next 'new' SEC champion?
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2021, 11:38:17 PM »
Quote from: jgvol on January 06, 2021, 05:47:43 PM
Cool, thanks.

Weird how you could lose 3 straight back then and still make the Sugar Bowl.  Or 2 straight plus the bowl game.

On a side note … those 1990 old school uni's were far superior to their new navy blue with crossed swords on the helmet.  They should go back to that.
Including the Bowl game, UVA lost 3 of their last four games. After a 3 point loss to GT (eventual co-NC), they won at UNC, lost at home to Maryland, and at VT. They may have gotten a pass from the Sugar Bowl because they played those last two games without Shawn Moore, who was still leading the nation in passing efficiency after the UNC win.

I do remember that, in 1990, a school had to have completed their season before accepting a Bowl bid.
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Re: Next 'new' SEC champion?
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2021, 09:30:38 AM »
It's interesting that Missouri stepped in and quickly won the East twice.  Obviously any time the normal powers are down, one of these programs can have a pretty good year and win it.  Something that happened twice in fairly recent memory seems likely to happen again one of these days, but not soonish.

Has a four loss (reg season) team made a "major bowl game"?  Probably someone won a conference like that back in the day?


    1999 was a down year for the Pac-10, with almost every team finishing 7-5 or worse. The Stanford Cardinal were the clear champions, going 7-1 in conference and earning a berth in the Rose Bowl.They didn’t fare so well out of conference, though, getting routed 69-17 by Texas to start the year and losing to 3-7-1 San Jose State to follow up.Stanford put up a fight against Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl, holding them to a mere 17 points, but ended up losing 17-9.Answered my own question, they were 8-4 going to the Rose Bowl.

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Re: Next 'new' SEC champion?
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2021, 05:34:13 PM »
UConn was 8-4 when they won the Big East, and made it to the 2011 Fiesta Bowl. 
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Re: Next 'new' SEC champion?
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2021, 11:17:59 AM »
In 1979, UGA lost four nonconference games but was 5-0 in conference play going into a game with Auburn.  Had they won that, they would have been picked for the Sugar Bowl with possibly a 7-4 record.  They lost to four ACC teams, three of them in Athens.

Alabama was undefeated but would not have been selected because they had been the previous year.
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Re: Next 'new' SEC champion?
« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2021, 03:58:36 PM »
It seems we agree basically.

Vandy - no chance on a century unless something massive changed

Ole Miss, UK - they might win it in 30 years, probably likely neither of them will

Arkansas MSU- a bit more likely with the right coach

A&M - reasonably likely to win the West in the next 10-15 years.

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Re: Next 'new' SEC champion?
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2021, 04:33:55 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on January 10, 2021, 11:17:59 AM
In 1979, UGA lost four nonconference games but was 5-0 in conference play going into a game with Auburn.  Had they won that, they would have been picked for the Sugar Bowl with possibly a 7-4 record.  They lost to four ACC teams, three of them in Athens.

Alabama was undefeated but would not have been selected because they had been the previous year.
The 'no repeat' rule back in the day was asinine.  
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Re: Next 'new' SEC champion?
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2021, 03:45:45 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 12, 2021, 04:33:55 PM
The 'no repeat' rule back in the day was asinine. 
A lot of rules back in the day were "odd" when it comes to bowl games.
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