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MikeDeTiger

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Luck, skill, and bed-wetting...I'll take it
« on: October 16, 2017, 11:04:08 AM »
LSU/AU is not devoid of craziness, with many of the games since expansion earning and deserving a nickname.  It took one of those crazy weekends where half of the top 10 teams were determined to lose (there seems to be one of those every year), the mojo on the sidelines of the 2007 team and Les who were honored at halftime, and a couple of no-call blocks in the back on Chark's punt return....but Auburn still has no wins in Death Valley this century.  

Poor Auburn.....still can't party like it's 1999.  

Hey Barn, if your last win in Baton Rouge were a person, she'd be in college right now.  Cheering for LSU.  

Hard to imagine Malzahn getting outcoached by Orgeron, but it happened.  The decision to go for it on 4th and goal instead of taking the points, and to kick the long FG later in the game both worked out.  Meanwhile Gus, not going for it on 4th and 1 later on was mystifying.  Then late, going for it on 4th and 10 deep in your own territory instead of punting away with all your timeouts with enough clock left....both those calls had to be infuriating for Auburn fans.  

Speaking of the 2007 team, maybe you'd have to be an LSU fan to notice, but did anyone catch that Gage's diving TD at the end of the half closely mirrored Demetrius Byrd's epic game winner at the end of the '07 Auburn game?  Same spot on the field, same route, same corner of the endzone.  Byrd was going nuts on the sidelines.  

In conclusion, suck it Auburn.  Those cigars will haunt you forever.  TK, if you're out there, because of the return of the '07 team and the 20-0 Q1 score, I dub this The Comeback.  

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Re: Luck, skill, and bed-wetting...I'll take it
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2017, 11:15:41 AM »
nicely done, sir!
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Re: Luck, skill, and bed-wetting...I'll take it
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2017, 01:40:30 PM »
Drew, get this...those sausage balls you were talking about the other day?  My gf brought some over on Saturday, I've heard her talk about them but she's never made them since I've dated her.  I had to ask her if I mentioned it since we were talking about them, I didn't think I did, and she said no.  She just felt like making them.  How weird is that?  

Could you maybe talk about turkey and sausage gumbo now?  
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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2017, 03:06:05 PM »
That LSU kid's catch reminded me of that Desmond Howard diving catch vs ND in '91.  It was towards the near side in the end zone, and it was at more of an angle, but it was great.

Sausage balls are amaze-balls.  My aunt always makes them and like with the fried turkeys, has to make 2 batches - the first one always gets snacked on until it's gone.  
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Re: Luck, skill, and bed-wetting...I'll take it
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2017, 01:15:03 PM »
I am still mystified why Malzahn pulled the reigns on the offense....a dominating quarter-and-a-half, then could do nothing but call run, run, pass, punt. Even with the awful end-of-game offense, if Auburn makes the interception or finishes the sack (or possibly stops the 1 yard pass from becomming 60) on the LSU end-of-half drive, Auburn likely wins. LSU just has too much talent to ever sleep on one guy making a big difference - #7 made a big difference.

Auburn was beaten by an awful (but talented) UGA last year, and, no offense, the same for LSU team this year.
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2017, 01:29:43 PM »
I think this is one of those times that illustrates how the outcome retroactively colors our perception of smart vs. dumb.  

I've seen a number of AU fans question the playcalling, but I have to say, I don't agree with that at all.  Game management....yes.  I really thought AU should have gone for it on 4th and 1 at the 50 yard line.  Pick that up and you likely go on to salt the game away.  You're a team built on power rushing, and you've actually rushed well on the day.  I'd trust that offense to pick up a yard on LSU.  Then at the very end, Gus uses a timeout and decides to try and convert on 4th and 10 deep in their own territory instead of punt it away with all their timeouts.  My problems with that are this:  Auburn's passing game had been flat out dominated by LSU's DBs ever since the 1st quarter.  LSU recorded 11 PBU's on the day--which is insane--and AU was getting nothing through the air.  Plus if you don't convert, LSU is already in position to try another FG, which puts the onus on the offense once they get the ball back not just to drive the field and kick the winning FG, but now they'd have to score a TD.  Hindsight is 20/20, but I was surprised AU didn't punt there.

They playcalling itself....was just not as bad as I've seen some lament.  Auburn's only success after the 1st quarter was on the ground, so if anything, AU should've been running MORE.  In fact there were a couple drives where they picked up 4-5 yards on 1st down, and then got too greedy and tried a long ball on 2nd which didn't work out, and then were painted into a corner on 3rd.  Given the scoring and time in the game, there also wasn't a time when AU "got conservative" or "wasn't trying to score."  It seems that way because LSU defense made adjustments and AU didn't seem to have the answer in real time, but they clearly weren't merely sitting on the lead.  

The only question I think AU fans can legitimately raise is what happened to Kerryon Johnson on wide running plays.  They had some success with those early on, and then they didn't really go back to it in the 2nd half.  I can't tell if they saw something in LSU's defense they didn't like, or what.  But it seems AU would've made LSU prove they could stop that.  
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2017, 01:49:57 PM »
More simply put, AU's playcalling or lack of aggression wasn't the problem here.  The problem is AU should've dominated LSU on the lines, yet didn't often enough.  The question is why not?  That would be my source of angst, were I an AU fan.  
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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2017, 01:00:27 PM »
I don't know where else to put this, but did you see the long TD catch by LSU's TE vs Ole Miss?  Both he and the WR near him were completely uncovered.  WTF??

2 receivers on the same side of the field just totally ignored.  That's some defense you go there, Rebels.
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2017, 07:41:09 AM »
No....play calling is still it. Auburn also lost two offensive linemen during the game, neither of which played this week against UA. While all plays count, Auburn's defense controlled the line of scrimmage.

However, regardless of my opinion, LSU still won. Congrats, but I can only hope that Malzahn learned NOW to not sit on a lead against talented teams. I hope the killer instinct shown in the UA game this past Saturday will continue throughout the remainder of his Auburn career....
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Re: Luck, skill, and bed-wetting...I'll take it
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2017, 01:08:41 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 22, 2017, 01:00:27 PM
I don't know where else to put this, but did you see the long TD catch by LSU's TE vs Ole Miss?  Both he and the WR near him were completely uncovered.  WTF??

2 receivers on the same side of the field just totally ignored.  That's some defense you go there, Rebels.
It's not unheard of.....Kentucky ran that same defensive look TWICE against Florida.  
I do now believe the hex is real.  I mean, if UK could do the simple task of remembering to have a body in the vicinity of a Gator WR TWICE, they get their first win in my memory.  
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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2017, 05:09:14 PM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on October 16, 2017, 11:04:08 AM
LSU/AU is not devoid of craziness, with many of the games since expansion earning and deserving a nickname.  It took one of those crazy weekends where half of the top 10 teams were determined to lose (there seems to be one of those every year), the mojo on the sidelines of the 2007 team and Les who were honored at halftime, and a couple of no-call blocks in the back on Chark's punt return....but Auburn still has no wins in Death Valley this century.  

Poor Auburn.....still can't party like it's 1999.  

Hey Barn, if your last win in Baton Rouge were a person, she'd be in college right now.  Cheering for LSU.  

Hard to imagine Malzahn getting outcoached by Orgeron, but it happened.  The decision to go for it on 4th and goal instead of taking the points, and to kick the long FG later in the game both worked out.  Meanwhile Gus, not going for it on 4th and 1 later on was mystifying.  Then late, going for it on 4th and 10 deep in your own territory instead of punting away with all your timeouts with enough clock left....both those calls had to be infuriating for Auburn fans.  

Speaking of the 2007 team, maybe you'd have to be an LSU fan to notice, but did anyone catch that Gage's diving TD at the end of the half closely mirrored Demetrius Byrd's epic game winner at the end of the '07 Auburn game?  Same spot on the field, same route, same corner of the endzone.  Byrd was going nuts on the sidelines.  

In conclusion, suck it Auburn.  Those cigars will haunt you forever.  TK, if you're out there, because of the return of the '07 team and the 20-0 Q1 score, I dub this The Comeback.  
I concur on the title.  FWIW, that game was brutal. One of the worst I've witnessed. 
However, I disagree with your assessment of the play-calling; 17 consecutive 1st down runs (mostly into the A gap) was erroneous, period. 
All that said, mayhaps it was balance for Pass LSU Pass but in any case, I blame it all on Les Miles. 
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