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Topic: Florida's Next HC

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Drew4UTk

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Re: Florida's Next HC
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2024, 07:59:40 AM »
From my view, Ole Miss is something of a click... those affiliated are passionately dedicated to them and don't let it go.  Yeah, that's "it" for any school- but Ole Miss has every element needed to be a major player in athletics.. they would be some quiet investment firm controlling $20B in capital while the headline grabbing W.Buffet sits beside them managing excess of 10 times that and swiping all the attention... all the while, you can do just about anything with $20B that you can with $200B... they have tradition, they have history, they have a distinctive culture, facilities, and they have stadium "enough"- what it lacks in capacity and flashy blinky stuff it makes up for in lore. 

None of yall would bat an eye if UCLA or Miami, Nebraska or Wisconsin made a run at a title in the next five years... now go figure Ole Miss has likely a better shot than them with the exception of Miami who benefits from weak league giving them a better shot at automatic position in playoffs.  They've just about always been positioned- but really only lately been poised.  Lame Kitten is why they're currently poised.   

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Re: Florida's Next HC
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2024, 12:19:37 PM »
Jesus. Do you think Kiffin would jump again ?  You’d think maybe he’s got something going at Ol Miss.

He absolutely would.  Kiffin has an ego like most really good coaches, and Florida is a higher prestige gig than Ole Miss.  And for a reason....the ceiling should be legitimately higher there than in Oxford.  

I suspect he'd do really well there.  At minimum, he'd have an acceptable floor and keep Florida out of the cellar.  That's not what UF would traditionally be aiming for, but at this point that's got to be a consideration.  

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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2024, 11:26:09 PM »
HCs aren't like us.  The points made about having it at OM and why would he leave.....EGO.  Winning at Florida = king of the world.

If he wins anything of note at OM (he hasn't, no one has since 1962), then EVERY big-boy program would be after him and one would get him.

Gators fans would love the points scored and the visor and the arrogance.....a modern-day Spurrier. 

OM as a program is irrelevant.  There's no reason for MS to have 2 P5 programs.  If you combined the 2, it'd be a helluva program...sometimes.
They've not won the West division in 32 years.  Not even a shared- SHARED SEC title since 1963.  Basically 60 years of not mattering.  It's a shit program.  If Kiffin ever gets them to Atlanta, he's scooped up and gone.  Period.

It'd be nice to get him before there's a big competition for him.  Florida's NIL is 2nd-tier for whatever reason. Don't need schools with their shit together barging in.
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Re: Florida's Next HC
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2024, 06:07:53 AM »
I can't imagine what motivates some of these coaches.  Is there a difference between a salary of $8 million and $15 million?  (Yeah, $7 mil.)  As noted, you can STAY at OM by winning 9 games a year on average, and be just fine.  At UF, that will wear out in 4-5 years.  They seem quite competitive this year, and have been pretty good under LK.

I personally would stay put.  You skip to UF and maybe you go 9-4 then 10-3 then 9-4 then 10-3 (maybe) and your seat starts to get warm.  Could he get to 12-1 there?  Maybe so.  Maybe Bama steps back, the Vols seem to be on the upswing, not every one of the SEC can be elite.  He'd need to get to ATL every three years at worst to stick around at UF, I suspect.  And maybe he's as good as UM, but I don't think so yet.

I suspect they make an offer, a gaudy offer, and he mulls it over.  They better have a Plan B though.

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« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2024, 10:09:36 AM »
I get the competitive thing... the guys I worked with are hyper competitive too.  I was thinking from the university angle... OM will pay and match pay plus to keep a coach like him is my guess.  

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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2024, 05:10:01 PM »
It's going to be frustrating at a program like OM because you never get the benefit of the doubt.  Your team could be the equal of a Florida or a Michigan or a Texas, but you'll be ranked lower.  When you lose, you fall a few more spots.  When it's committee time, you're not getting in over a helmet team, all things being equal.  For every big-time recruit you get, there's another that takes that storied program money/offer.

There's a ceiling.

Ole Miss' trophy case is full of a bunch of 2nd-tier bowl trophies and stuff from the age of "whites only" bathrooms.
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Re: Florida's Next HC
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2024, 07:39:36 AM »
I get the competitive thing... the guys I worked with are hyper competitive too.  I was thinking from the university angle... OM will pay and match pay plus to keep a coach like him is my guess. 
I agree, it's not the money.  It COULD be the competitive thing.  The steps of SOS and UM ...  

That was deter me, but that's a reason I'm not a HC.

Teams like TCU has had get pretty high in the rankings by simply winning.  He can do that at OM.  I think OM can make the 12 team every so often.

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Re: Florida's Next HC
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2024, 09:08:39 AM »
Kiffin does move around a lot.  Folks say he's a pretty good coach, but his proclivity for moving would be a concern, for me.  Is it about money?  Probably not so much now.

OM will pay him, he'd have better job security there than at UF, if money is the thing.  So is it legacy?  Imagine he takes the UF job and clearly turns them around and they make the playoffs nearly every year from 2027-2033 or so.  Florida has some talent now, so it should be feasible.  They hit a monster schedule this season.

Even keeping the current guy would probably get them better next season, by a good bit, so the HC job there isn't like taking over a broken program.


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Re: Florida's Next HC
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2024, 06:30:59 AM »
I vaguely recall that OM stadium is not that large compared to Alabama or Georgia.  What about student body size, fanbase, what separates somebody like Bama from OM?
I attended a game at Ole Miss a few years back.  we got invited to a really nice tailgate, and one of the fans there was a Bama fan (they weren't playing Bama).  She explained to me that Bama fans are overly tense, they analyze, and criticize, every play, and aren't happy unless they win 77-0 and are ranked #1.  

She said OM fans in contrast, show up and TG all morning (the TGs are set up for them ahead of time by a company), go to the game, and party all night after.  If the team wins, great, if not, also great.

They have a nice stadium, it seats about 60,000, Bama's is over 100 K.  They aren't as wrapped up in wins and losses as Bama fans.

I think fans of the Dawgs, Vols, Gators, and Tigers are more like Bama fans.  The game and its outcome are central.  

In the mean time, Florida is showing a pulse now.  The lost to Tenn in OT, and have won 3 of 4, after beating UK (which wasn't a given).  Their problem is their next four opponents are UGA, @Texas, LSU, and Ole Miss.   So, a 4-3 record COULD suddenly be 4-7, but I suspect they snag at least one of those, hopefully one of the latter three.

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Re: Florida's Next HC
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2024, 07:50:27 AM »
Let's imagine Florida beats FSU, which seems doable, and then upsets Ole Miss, which seems doable, and is fairly competitive with LSU/Texas/UGA, in losses.  Is that enough or is it done?

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Re: Florida's Next HC
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2024, 01:24:44 PM »
She said OM fans in contrast, show up and TG all morning (the TGs are set up for them ahead of time by a company), 

How very Ole Miss of them. 

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Re: Florida's Next HC
« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2024, 10:14:25 PM »
Let's imagine Florida beats FSU, which seems doable, and then upsets Ole Miss, which seems doable, and is fairly competitive with LSU/Texas/UGA, in losses.  Is that enough or is it done?
I think he gets another year even if FSU our only remaining win.  Gauging a HC while he's facing the toughest schedule in the country isn't prudent.  
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« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2024, 10:15:38 PM »
 go to the game, and party all night after.  If the team wins, great, if not, also great.


This is how their fans have to be.  When you don't have even a shared SEC championship in 60 years, that's what happens.
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Re: Florida's Next HC
« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2024, 05:51:04 AM »
How very Ole Miss of them.
They were very nice to us.  I went with a buddy (OSU fan) in Cincy to Oxford, we had parked and were walking in the direction of the stadium, I thought, so I asked two ladies, and they invited us to their tailgate, which was pretty incredible.  I tried to put some money in the "kitty", I hadn't been there a minute before they poured some beverage for me, it was about 11 AM for a 3:30 PM game.  (The Dawgs got slaughtered.)

We went back after the game, and after a while, some very large young black men showed up, I realized they were on the Ole Miss team, so this group was "connected" somehow.  They explained the tents were set up with all the food by some outfit they paid, the tents went up on Thursday and the food and beverages arrived Saturday morning, so all they had to do was show up.  It was some pretty high end TGing.

On topic, I agree, if Napier beats FSU and maybe the team looks competitive against UGA et al., he gets a reprieve.  Kiffin is not looking great at the moment, nobody else seems to be a stand out.  Next year, easier slate, probably, and they could be looking at a fairly solid 8-4ish campaign.  Now the trajectory looks good if not the record.

 

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