2019 NFL Draft

[MrNubbz]

It's safer to say these things than your team to delude itself into thinking otherwise

[OrangeAfroMan]

I think with players like Murray (if there are any or have been any), it's a gamble.  And if you're a GM, the real question is should you be taking a gamble with a high draft pick?  
For me, the answer is no.  You want a safe pick.  1st round draft picks are like a long drive in bad weather - a good pick is a boring pick.

[rook119]

really don't get all the Kyler Murray going #1 overall hype. Yeah he measured 5'10". So what. He's got short arms and small hands and he looks small. He's not built like Russell Wilson. Wilson looked like a MAN day one in the NFL. Murray still looks like a little boy. He's smallish. Not sure he has the arm strength of Russell Wilson either. Everyone always wants to compare a 5'10 QB to Russell Wilson. He's the exception, not the rule. Just because he's succeeded in the NFL, doesn't mean Kyler Murray will. Wilson went in the 3rd round by the way, he wasn't the #1 pick let alone a 1st rounder.

Yeah, Murray is a great college QB in a great system playing for maybe the best offensive mind in CFB- but he also plays in a leauge that plays zero defense and is designed for stat padding. Not knocking Murray, he's a great college player but that doesn't mean he'll be a great NFL player. He has real physical limitations. Not sure he's worth a 1st round pick let alone the #1 pick.

Cardinals would be much better off trading down and stock-piling picks or just going with the surest bet- Nick Bosa- and pair him up with Chandler Jones to establish a wicked pass rush tandem. That'd instantly make them a better team and Bosa is a 10 year starter at a Pro Bowl level barring injury and off-field. He's as plug and play as there is in any draft. Sure thing.

I don't think Russel Wilson has that much arm strength, he's just insanely accurate on deep balls. Actually I really don't think arm strength matters that much w/ deep balls. You know who threw a nice deep ball back in the day, noodle arm Chad Pennington. Arm strength is more important in the 10-20 yard routes where the windows are tight. A big reason why Wilson succeeded, well just watch him play. You'll notice that no one ever gets a clean shot on the guy even though he's had some putrid OLs in seattle. 
Murray, IMO he's probably the best of the lot of QBs in the draft this year. Being small doesn't matter as much, you spend most of the game in shotgun these days and as long as you don't imitate RG3 and evil keneviling your way through LBs the rule changes will help you have a long career. The Cards are just terrible though. There isn't much difference talentwise between Haskins and Murray tho. However the one that will have the far better career is the one who gets to work with Barkley and Beckham.  

[rook119]

The QBs available next year could be epic.  I'd wait one.  Get Drew Lock in the 3rd if you need a QB.  Maybe 2nd.



No Dawgs of note this year other than the DB.  Holyfield ran a slow time but he looks decently fast on the field.  But he probably would not start in college next year.

Lock is considered a mid-late 1st round pick. There are even some rumors that Oakland will take him at #4. 
2nd-3rd round is Ryan Findley and Will Grier. 

[MrNubbz]

Arm strength matters if you can't stretch the field you certainly limit the responsibility of it's coverage.Making centering then teeing off on the QB/offense easier

[OrangeAfroMan]

I don't think Russel Wilson has that much arm strength, he's just insanely accurate on deep balls. Actually I really don't think arm strength matters that much w/ deep balls. 

This is scientifically untrue.  If you've ever played outfielder in baseball, you'd understand better.  It's not an either/or situation with accuracy/ball placement vs arm strength.  Throwing any ball (including a deep ball) deep with accuracy is good, throwing it with accuracy and greater speed is better.  

[MrNubbz]

So the Steelers get a 3rd and a 5th for AB.Turns out not bad for the Raiders who pick up a replacement for Amari Cooper whom the received a No 1 for.What was Belichick offering for Brown?

[Cincydawg]

Well, if you can throw a deep ball accurately and far enough, then arm strength probably only impacts trajectory and TOF.  In baseball, the TOF part starts to matter a lot.

It's "funny", I blew my arm out the first game of the year in HS my junior year and the coach put me in Left Field.  I could not throw overhand at all for about a month, and he'd scream at me for throwing side armed, which I could barely go anyway.  The SS knew to "come get me" if anything was in the gap.  My shoulder got better on a few rare occasions and then the next day would be crap again.

[Mdot21]

So the Steelers get a 3rd and a 5th for AB.Turns out not bad for the Raiders who pick up a replacement for Amari Cooper whom the received a No 1 for.What was Belichick offering for Brown?

I'd be surprised if the Pats didn't offer more or better picks. My guess is they offered a better deal to the Steelers but they weren't willing to give Brown that fat guaranteed contract the Raiders were- that's really not BB's style- he don't like to pay players- so Brown nixed any potential deal to the Pats. Buffalo acutally came to an agreement with the Steelers first for a trade for AB and he nixed the deal.

[ELA]

Yeah that was the issue, it was the best deal among teams willing to give him that big extension.

Did Oakland overpay him?  Sure.  But that always gets a bad label, and it's not necessarily a bad thing.  They have guys on rookie contracts, and 4 of the first like 34 picks in the draft, so they can afford to overpay for guys.  They might sign Bell too, and overpay him.  But they'll have them.  Then in 3 years, when they have to start paying their guys, they'll cut Bell and Brown.  No harm done.

[betarhoalphadelta]

What I don't understand is where Oakland is getting the money to pay him at all? The rumors I'd heard was that the team didn't have a lot of money to throw around, and that's one of the reason they tried to get rid of both Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper. Not a salary cap issue; an "ability to make payroll" issue...

Get rid of them and rebuild the team with draft picks on [cheap] rookie contracts. 

But then picking up AB and giving him a big contract seems to be counter to that.

[FearlessF]

perhaps the accounting dept made a slight mistake and they "found" a pile of money?

[ELA]

I guess this has become also the NFL Offseason thread, why not.

Lions are oddly all in in free agency today.  Danny Amendola, meh.  But they signed the top rated TE, DE and nickel on the market.  Not exactly sure why, but whatever.  I guess might as well do what you can while you've got Stafford, and see if it all falls into place.

[OrangeAfroMan]

Stafford is the anti-Murray, right?  And his franchise has surrounded him with pieces, trying to win big during his career - all based on his big arm.  
I hold fast to the idea that a team (NFL and/or college) can be held hostage by elite QB talent.  
The Tennessee Vols tied all their flags to the Manning boat and never won their division.  The year after he left, playing a diverse offense that utilized multiple players instead of emphasizing one - they won the national championship.
The Lions' flags are all tied to the USS Stafford and it's yielding nothing.  His big arm has held his franchise's resources hostage.




But I'm probably wrong.