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Phantom101

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Progressive Democratic Muslim wants to defund entire DHS....
« on: February 09, 2019, 08:54:59 AM »
Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., continues her streak of controversial tweets, this time taking aim at the Department of Homeland Security.

“Let’s stand firm: #Not1Dollar to DHS,” Omar then urges fellow Democrats.

While there have been growing calls from Democrats to abolish ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement), there hasn’t been a strong demand to defund the entire Department of Homeland Security, which also includes the Transportation Safety Administration, Secret Service, Coast Guard and Federal Emergency Management Agency.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/omar-calls-for-defunding-homeland-security-1-hour-after-insisting-that-tsa-workers-get-backpay



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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2019, 08:57:47 AM »
This stuff is really aiding Republicans.

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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2019, 09:33:08 AM »


When our enemies are allowed to become part of our government what the heck should we expect.

Democrats who we know are enemies of America and our way of life will continue their assault on the country with more people like this unless things are changed and changed quickly.

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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2019, 09:41:45 AM »
How would you change things?  End democratic elections that allow such people to be elected in their districts?


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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2019, 09:42:40 AM »
This stuff is really aiding Republicans.
It should but there are millions who are with her to the end.

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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2019, 09:46:11 AM »
There are tens of millions out there who vote Dem or Rep in elections and see this stuff from the Left and are turned off by it.  The ones who like it are never voting Rep, so they don't matter.  The ones in the middle, and turnout, decide elections.


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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2019, 10:28:58 AM »
How would you change things?  End democratic elections that allow such people to be elected in their districts?









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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2019, 10:41:41 AM »
I gather you find my question unanswerable.  

I'm not surprised.  Either one believes in our system of government, and all that means, for better or worse, or one doesn't.  Perhaps we should include some kind of religious test for those who run for office?

Perhaps not.

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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2019, 11:22:32 AM »
How would you change things?  End democratic elections that allow such people to be elected in their districts?
No, but it would help if the 'media' was honest about the candidates. We have Socialists, Communists, and Muslims wanting Sharia Law on all levels of State, Local and National Gov. We just find out after they're elected because there is no vetting if they're Democrats and backed by the Party wanting power at all costs.  (just look no further than Virginia for vetting)

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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2019, 12:13:03 PM »
How would you change things?  End democratic elections that allow such people to be elected in their districts?


Require US citizenship to vote? Deport illegal immigrants? You must pay taxes to vote? If you don't contribute to society, how can you have an opinion on it?

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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2019, 12:40:06 PM »
We already have laws that require citizenship to vote in national elections, and laws against illegals obviously.

Some Muslims obviously do pay taxes, so they could run.  The background of these candidates is not some mystery, it was known before they were elected.

I think we'll always have 4-5-6 extreme members in the House and 1-2 in the Senate, maybe a few more.

I'm more concerned with the gradual drift "left" of the main part of the population.  It seems inexorable.


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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2019, 01:02:04 PM »
I'm more concerned with the gradual drift "left" of the main part of the population.  It seems inexorable.
The "gradual drift left" is easily explainable. We've stopped teaching American History in High School and Civics altogether. The MSM fills the airways with Socialist propaganda and Colleges reinforce Liberal ideology.  The MSM TV is all left leaning, from talk shows to regular programming. Free everything because it's your 'right' to have it has been driven down to millennial's by Progressive Democrats.
"If you don't work, you don't eat" saved Jamestown but that message has been lost to today's youth. (they believe they have a 'right' to what you have because you have it and they don't)

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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2019, 01:20:09 PM »
My kids' school certainly had those classes.

Younger folks in my lifetime have been more liberal and become more conservative as they age, in general.

The leftward drift may be inevitable for western societies as "we" come to expect more from central government over time in terms of solving problems.

"We have to DO something" gets us into a lot of problems.

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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2019, 03:42:27 PM »
I gather you find my question unanswerable.  

I'm not surprised.  Either one believes in our system of government, and all that means, for better or worse, or one doesn't.  Perhaps we should include some kind of religious test for those who run for office?

Perhaps not.


No I have no desire to to see all the bull shit you would post after I explained but Thomas Jefferon answers it for you.



We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2019, 05:29:30 PM »
So, your solution appears to be to end our form of a Constitutional Republic and devise a new system.

I wonder how it would differ from the current system.  But I don't expect any intelligent discourse.




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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2019, 09:56:54 PM »
This stuff is really aiding Republicans.
I predicted this before the election.
That if the Dems won the House in 2018, they wouldn't be able to help themselves.
And so far, that has proven true.
The Dems are doing a much better job of getting Trump re-elected than Trump is himself.
Especially as they move further and further to the left.

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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2019, 07:08:49 AM »
The media play into this as the cover the latest Shiny Object in politics and ignore what is staid and routine.

I'd guess Pelosi is fuming and trying to work out how to get these folks under control and shut down.

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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2019, 10:00:40 AM »
So, your solution appears to be to end our form of a Constitutional Republic and devise a new system.

I wonder how it would differ from the current system.  But I don't expect any intelligent discourse.






I would have thought you knew that's from the Declaration of Independence which was the start of establishing a Constitutional Republic not destroying one.


We now have a government which has been taken over by left wing socialists who have turned it into a democratic socialist government.


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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2019, 10:04:45 AM »
I recognize the passage obviously.  It provides however zero details about the form of this new government:

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government.

Since we have a constitutional republic at the moment, getting rid of that would imply going to something different.  Perhaps you could post a few lines about what kind of "new government" you would institute.


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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2019, 10:25:27 AM »

I would have thought you knew that's from the Declaration of Independence which was the start of establishing a Constitutional Republic not destroying one.


We now have a government which has been taken over by left wing socialists who have turned it into a democratic socialist government.
Gym, my friend, they (the nut jobs) have not taken over the government yet...But, there is a dangerous radical element working from within it's central core, that is like a cavity eating into a healthy tooth...
I know no one in my circle of friends that support the USA becoming a socialist country, but based on the news that I watch, the socialist pricks are multiplying like termites in a fallen tree....
It is most always the young element of this society that wants and demands changes...

There is an old movie called "Wild in the Streets" that tells the horror story of what a young charismatic  elected person can do to a society, by uniting the youths of America against it's own government, by implementing radical ideas that insure young people will always be in control....
This Cortez woman, may be that movie come to life...

     

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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2019, 10:53:28 AM »
Here are some thoughts about how we might (in theory) change our government.  Feel free to agree or disagree with them, or add other ideas you have:

1.  Include a religious test for running for Federal office so only Christians (however defined) can be elected.
2.  Ban anyone who is a socialist from running for Federal office.
3.  Ban anyone who is otherwise a liberal or leftist from running.
4.  Only allow people who pay income taxes to vote.
5.  Set an age limit for Supreme Court Justices of 75.
6.  Pass something we might call an Enablement Act to allow a President to fund projects he deems critical to national security.
7.  Eliminate media outlets like CNN and deny them any broadcast license.
8.  Mandate that public schools and universities teach Christianity, and Creation Science, etc.

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« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2019, 11:08:56 AM »
I guess we can keep FEMA and Secret Service. Everything else can go.

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« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2019, 03:55:49 PM »
Gym, my friend, they (the nut jobs) have not taken over the government yet...But, there is a dangerous radical element working from within it's central core, that is like a cavity eating into a healthy tooth...
I know no one in my circle of friends that support the USA becoming a socialist country, but based on the news that I watch, the socialist pricks are multiplying like termites in a fallen tree....
It is most always the young element of this society that wants and demands changes...

There is an old movie called "Wild in the Streets" that tells the horror story of what a young charismatic  elected person can do to a society, by uniting the youths of America against it's own government, by implementing radical ideas that insure young people will always be in control....
This Cortez woman, may be that movie come to life...

    

I hate to disagree steve but they have taken over and government has become non functional.  The democrats and some republican elites will not work with the president under any circumstance unless he agrees to their agenda.

The socialists don't all have to be radicals like the nut job Ocasio Cortez.  Just look whats happening with the FBI and DOJ trying to stage a coup of a president by using a special prosecutor.

Look at all the criminal activity by Hillary and other democrats politicains, FBI agents, members of the DOJ, former heads of our security agencies, the IRS and the list goes on of criminal activity under Obama and his operatives still in government that goes unpunished or even investigated and indicted.

We have reached a point of no return for ever getting our government back to functioning as it should without extreme measures being taken.

I'm afraid those extreme measures will not be at the ballot box but the same measures our ancestors used against King George.

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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2019, 04:31:56 PM »
In many ways you are right Gym....I'm guilty of  seeing the USA as a sick patient, that will heal with the proper medicine, but I'm probably wrong...

The liberals are an evil group of people that don't even seem to like the USA....All they do is bitch about everything....I faced an enemy on the battlefield that liked America more than these liberals.

I do understand where this is heading, especially if the liberals can get their "Green Deal" as a way of life....

The bartender is a very dangerous person..... 

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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2019, 05:17:03 PM »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2019, 05:45:05 PM »
I wonder how many Americans believe another armed revolution is needed.

"If this be Treason, make the most of it!  I know not what course others may take ..."

18 U.S. Code § 2385

You can count me out.

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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2019, 06:34:55 PM »

She is very, very dangerous to the American way of life that we have all known for many, many years....When politically strong enough, I can see her becoming an Independent Party force all to herself....
She will be the queen of the uninformed, that want everything...
Dangerous.....

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« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2019, 09:49:27 AM »
Even liberal Jewish leaders are criticizing Omar's tweets as shameful bigoted hatemongering.    Retired New York State Assemblyman Dov Hikind took his party leaders to task:

"The time has come to demand Dem leaders speak out against @ilhanmn for her vile antisemitism. This isn’t going away. Where is @nancypelosi @SenSchumer @RepJerryNadler @RepEliotEngel @RepAdamSchiff @DWStweets and DNC leadership? Have they lost their ears, eyes, or damned minds?"

Jewish Leaders Outraged by Democrat Ilhan Omar’s Antisemitic Tweets



Jewish leaders criticized Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) on Sunday evening over tweets in which she alleged, falsely, that members of Congress support Israel because they are paid to do so, evoking classic anti-Jewish stereotypes.

Omar was taken to task by left-wing Jewish pundits — who normally share many of her criticisms of Israel — after she tweeted, “It’s all about the Benjamins baby,” in explaining why American politicians support Israel. She also accused the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a pro-Israel lobby group, of paying them — though AIPAC does not donate to politicians.

Rather than acknowledge the explanation that Congress tends to support Israel because Americans in general broadly support Israel — with nearly two-thirds favoring Israel over the Palestinians — Omar doubled down throughout the evening against the “Israel lobby.”


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« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2019, 09:54:55 AM »
There is an obvious and large "disconnect" between liberals and Muslims, several of them in fact.  For this reason I think having an outspoken Muslim or three in Congress can shine some light where it should be shined, and not to their advantage.

The more they speak out and tweet the better for Republicans.

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« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2019, 10:45:11 AM »

When our enemies are allowed to become part of our government what the heck should we expect.

Democrats who we know are enemies of America and our way of life will continue their assault on the country with more people like this unless things are changed and changed quickly.
So, am I correct in understanding you are seeking an armed insurrection to "change things" in the US?
Or did I misunderstand you posts?

 

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