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TREX

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Re: AOC on 'Green New Deal'...
« Reply #60 on: February 11, 2019, 01:30:32 PM »
if it is pointless and has not teeth, why the need to even propose?   If approving and moving on seems justifiable in your mind, shouldn't not proposing at all...?   The both would mean ... well... nothing.
You only propose the create support and momentum.  
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« Reply #61 on: February 11, 2019, 01:32:51 PM »
Stunt is a great word for it.   

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« Reply #62 on: February 11, 2019, 01:44:11 PM »
https://www.congress.gov/search?q=%7B%22source%22%3A%22legislation%22%2C%22type%22%3A%22resolutions%22%7D

That is an entertaining list of current House Resolutions proposed.  Here is one of them:

5. H.Res.114 — 116th Congress (2019-2020)Expressing support for the designation of the 17th day in May as "DIPG Awareness Day" to raise awareness and encourage research into cures for diffuse intrinsic pontine glioma (DIPG) and pediatric cancers in general.Sponsor: Rep. Speier, Jackie [D-CA-14] (Introduced 02/08/2019) Cosponsors: (17)Committees: House - Energy and CommerceLatest Action: House - 02/08/2019 Referred to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce. (All Actions)


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« Reply #63 on: February 11, 2019, 01:45:16 PM »
11. H.Res.108 — 116th Congress (2019-2020)Expressing support for the designation of July 12 as Collector Car Appreciation Day and recognizing that the collection and restoration of historic and classic cars is an important part of preserving the technological achievements and cultural heritage of the United States.Sponsor: Rep. Posey, Bill [R-FL-8] (Introduced 02/06/2019) Cosponsors: (1)Committees: House - Oversight and ReformLatest Action: House - 02/06/2019 Referred to the House Committee on Oversight and Reform. (All Actions)

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« Reply #64 on: February 11, 2019, 01:46:58 PM »
I've said before, anyone who is really concerned about Climate Change and wants serious and sensible action should be HORRIFIED by this mess.  It is so counterproductive it's as if she's a GoP plant.  As much attention should be devoted to this as Republicans can possibly manage.


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« Reply #65 on: February 12, 2019, 02:24:43 AM »







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« Reply #66 on: February 12, 2019, 02:29:28 AM »
AOC should travel to Beijing and lecture the Chinese leaders.
They are much more of a problem than the US.....

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/2185796/pollution-northern-china-16pc-january-industrial-activity-spikes

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Air pollution in January in 39 major northern Chinese cities rose 16 per cent from a year earlier, according to official figures, with surging industrial activity making it increasingly unlikely they will meet their winter emissions targets.

Average concentrations of the small, hazardous particles known as PM2.5 in two major Chinese emissions control zones climbed to 114 micrograms per cubic metre, according to a Reuters analysis of official data.

The worst performer over the month was the coal city of Linfen in Shanxi province, which saw average PM2.5 levels of 174mcg, up 23 per cent from a year earlier. Shijiazhuang, the provincial capital of Hebei, China’s biggest steelmaking region, also saw emissions rise 30 per cent to 144mcg.

China’s official air quality standard is 35mcg, while the World Health Organisation recommends an annual average of no more than 10mcg.

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« Reply #67 on: February 12, 2019, 07:20:42 AM »
That is of course "real air pollution", which is visible and not good at all by anyone's standards.  The US has done quite a good job of reducing it over the decades.


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« Reply #69 on: February 12, 2019, 05:52:31 PM »
Interesting.....

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/321572/#respond


Meanwhile, questions asked and possibly answered at Twitchy: “Tell me I’m wrong. Pelosi had Newsom kill the CA train today on purpose, right?” Why? “To signal to the GND crew that we will shut down your batshit dreams of unicorns ‘n’ shit.”

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« Reply #70 on: February 12, 2019, 06:10:08 PM »
I give him credit for making a decision, even if it was obvious.  He could have left it for his successor, billions of dollars later.

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« Reply #71 on: February 12, 2019, 06:54:43 PM »
I could see them extending it to San Jose - then at least there might be some ridership.
But the hard parts - San Francisco to San Jose and Bakersfield to Los Angeles - were basically a pipe dream.
The hard parts should have been done first as they were the parts that actually made economic sense - even though the NIMBYs and costs made it basically a non-starter from the beginning.

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« Reply #72 on: February 13, 2019, 01:12:04 AM »
https://thefederalist.com/2019/02/07/ten-most-insane-requirements-green-new-deal/#.XF2HpeSgn9U.twitter

The 10 Most Insane Requirements Of The Green New Deal
The Green New Deal isn't just un-American, it's also completely bonkers.

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« Reply #73 on: February 13, 2019, 05:49:30 PM »
The fact that the GND is obviously and totally bonkers is why Republicans should not let this die an easy death.  McConnell is absolutely right, I'm beginning to think he is a pretty good politician (even though I don't like him personally at all).

He got a +1 on SCOTUS with his move in the Senate against Garland, and now this.

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« Reply #75 on: February 13, 2019, 06:57:21 PM »
I've yet to see CNN report on the CA HSR downsizing, and I've been looking.  NPR has a piece on it, so does NBC and CBS.  If CNN does, it's well hidden.

The "spin" is that they will focus on the Central Valley segment first and then follow much later (when Democrats send them money).


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« Reply #76 on: February 13, 2019, 07:31:21 PM »
Technical costs were a problem north of Los Angeles from the beginning.
$150 million per mile on the tunnel portion alone?  Not feasible financially.

https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-bullet-train-tunnel-20171021-story.html

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A Times analysis has found that tunnel construction could exhaust the $5.5-billion budget for the entire 54-mile segment from Gilroy to Chowchilla.

Some of the world’s top tunnel experts put the cost of the tunnel at anywhere from $5.6 billion to $14.4 billion, reflecting the high cost of boring through tricky geology and seismically active areas.

The Gilroy-to-Chowchilla route also requires a 1.5-mile tunnel just east of Gilroy, itself a major infrastructure project.

The rail authority initially planned to start building from Los Angeles but abandoned that plan in 2016 because it was too costly — ironically because of tunnels under the San Gabriel and Tehachapi mountains.

Under the current plan, the state wants to begin the 240-mile starter system in San Jose and end in an almond orchard south of Wasco. The state estimates the system would begin operating in 2025 and carry about 3 million passengers a year.

Nine years ago, voters were told in a bond measure that the entire Los Angeles-to-San Francisco system would be completed by 2020. The date for a partial system later slipped to 2022, and then 2025.

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And getting the right-of-ways between San Francisco and San Jose?
Hah!


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« Reply #77 on: February 13, 2019, 08:15:30 PM »
The ONLY way HSR can work is IF Federal government (who can print money in effect) pays for all the constructions costs and then subsidizes fares.

The European systems operate at a loss even without having to pay back the money for construction, tens of billions a year.

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« Reply #78 on: February 13, 2019, 10:17:53 PM »
In Hong Kong and Singapore, much of their construction was subsidized by selling adjacent land.
Once the station was built, lots of people want to live / work directly above or next to it, as they can then transit without having to drive / take a taxi / or get outside in the weather.  Land prices move up appreciably and the sale of that land generates huge revenues to offset the cost of building the rail system.


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« Reply #79 on: February 13, 2019, 10:22:58 PM »
I've always wondered if high speed rail would make sense if integrated into an airport system.

For example, build a high-speed rail from Chattanooga to Atlanta and then to the Atlanta airport where passengers get off the train and simply walk to their gate.  They can check in their bags at the Chattanooga rail station and then pick up their bags at their final destination.

It would be a disaster for the Chattanooga airport, but brain-dead easy for passengers.

If total travel time from downtown Chattanooga to the Atlanta Airport was one hour or less, they'd have a lot of passengers - the train would probably need to do about 150 miles an hour if a stop in downtown Atlanta was included.

You could probably do the same from Birmingham to the Atlanta Airport as well.



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« Reply #80 on: February 14, 2019, 02:05:17 AM »

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« Reply #81 on: February 14, 2019, 02:39:22 AM »

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/321684/#respond


NEW SOCIALIST “IT GIRL” CONTINUES TO PAY DIVIDENDS: Rep. Ocasio-Cortez’s 2018 Campaign Spent $20,490 On Air Travel, $3,147 On Rail.


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Why does somebody running for Congress in one of the geographically smallest districts in the country need to spend that much on any type of travel?
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She also encourages children to shop at thrift stores to combat climate change while she wears outfits that costs 1000s of dollars. These rules only apply to the Hoi Poloi not the important people. Get with it you deplorables - the sooner you acknowledge this the easier it will be for you.

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« Reply #82 on: February 14, 2019, 08:03:03 AM »
The first problem with HSR is capital cost.  In Europe, governments build the lines, they don't about sunk cost and depreciation.  Second is operating cost and maintenance.  France for example subsidizes the ticket prices to keep the competitive with plane fares.  They lose about $15 billion a year on that versus operating costs.

If a private company builds a line for say a billion dollars, they then have to "write off" say 1/30th of that cost as operating expenses each year until it is paid off.  And, they need at least positive cash flow from ticket revenue.  Rarely can this work.

States here have balanced budget requirements (all but one) so they can't just borrow indefinitely either, even as an agency.

 

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