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Topic: AOC on 'Green New Deal'...

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Cincydawg

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Re: AOC on 'Green New Deal'...
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2019, 03:23:02 PM »
You should read the thing, it doesn't raise taxes nor appropriate monies nor anything else.  It lists some goals, that is all.

It is a "Resolution", not a piece of legislation that would change anything.

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« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2019, 04:04:55 PM »
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2019, 04:17:02 PM »

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/08/692508990/despite-few-details-and-much-doubt-the-green-new-deal-generates-enthusiasm

It amuses me how such a vacuous "resolution" generates so much comment, positive and negative.  As I keep saying, this "resolution" would not DO anything at all.

No new laws, not appropriations, no taxes, no nothing.  It's has as much force of "law" as an opinion piece in WashPo.  It's entirely aspirational.

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« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2019, 04:21:21 PM »
I like Strassel's take on this, fairly amusing:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wsj-writer-slams-ocasio-cortezs-green-new-deal-says-it-looks-like-dem-parody-bill-written-by-gop

“By the end of the Green New Deal resolution (and accompanying fact sheet) I was laughing so hard I nearly cried,” Strassel wrote on Twitter. “If a bunch of GOPers plotted to forge a fake Democratic bill showing how bonkers the party is, they could not have done a better job. It is beautiful.”

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Re: AOC on 'Green New Deal'...
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2019, 05:15:13 PM »
If some think if this is passed and that there will be no new taxes or enforcement is  attached to the bill or forth coming in new legislation they are delusional at best.


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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2019, 05:19:11 PM »
If some thing this is past and no new taxes or enforcement is not attached or forth coming in new legislation they are delusional at best
I think I understand this, but the resolution itself has no new taxes in it, none at all.  Now, it presages some actual legislation that would include such things, but the two things are not linked in any legislative sense.
This "resolution" is COMPLETELY nonbinding and is not legislation at all.  It could be voted in and signed and it changes nothing on its own.

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« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2019, 05:32:43 PM »
This "resolution" is COMPLETELY nonbinding and is not legislation at all.  It could be voted in and signed and it changes nothing on its own.
If Congress should vote this in then they will have committed the United States to Socialism as the path forward.
(it would be used as a mandate by the Social Democrats.....and they would be right plus there's no turning back)
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« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2019, 05:34:58 PM »
It would commit us to absolutely nothing.  Not a single thing.  There is not anything in this "Resolution" that is at all binding or specific.

That is why it is a Resolution and not Legislation.

It's a wish list.  Anyway, it might pass the House, maybe, which would be a great thing for Republicans.  The more light is shown on this the better for Republicans.


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« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2019, 06:16:35 PM »
https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5729033-Green-New-Deal-FINAL

You can read it here, verbatim (if you can make it through without laughing).  The words "tax" and "regulate" and "department" are not in this document.  Passing this is 100% a statement of some general opinions and goals, it has zero enablement, and would have zero force of law.

Really, the folks who want to DO something about climate change should be aghast and come out vigorously against this tripe.



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Re: AOC on 'Green New Deal'...
« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2019, 07:26:38 AM »
We're all going to drive down to giant parking lots throughout the country and turn in our cars.....Then  we will walk back, or skate back, to our houses, and then rip out all breaker boxes and convert them to solar energy....

All the farmers are going to destroy their tractors, and put corks in their cows butts, before they slaughter them for farting.....

Commercial airliners will be fitted with large rubber band power.....

Also, our air force will be fitted with "super rubber band technology"....After all, in future battle with the Soviets, our rubber band air force will have to keep up....

All tanks will be converted to wind up technology...All tanks will be propelled by giant springs...

The bartender will be crowned queen.....

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« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2019, 08:51:37 AM »
She is playing into the hands of Republicans with this.  Pelosi knows that but can't stop it.  The media are infatuated with AOC, so everything she says is "news".


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« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2019, 09:52:24 PM »

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/321279/#respond


ALEXANDRA OCASIO-CORTEZ’S “GREEN NEW DEAL” DOCUMENT WAS SUCH AN EMBARRASSMENT THEY TOOK IT DOWN. How hard is the press working to protect her from the consequences of her own idiocy? This hard:


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« Reply #42 on: February 10, 2019, 06:36:04 AM »
Was that a FAQ associated with the actual Resolution?  I saw something about it, the unwilling workers.  Someone claimed it wasn't their work or something.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/429282-ocasio-cortez-camp-clarifies-green-new-deal-details-after-faq-sparks-backlash

Ah yes, found it, claim is that the FAQ was "doctored" or incorrect or a draft.
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Re: AOC on 'Green New Deal'...
« Reply #43 on: February 10, 2019, 04:59:01 PM »


I pointed out two things that's in it.  Those two things were pointed out by Pete Hegseth on FOX this morning so again looks like everyone else is wrong and Sheldon is right.





He would keep dragging more stuff up to try and cloud what he said 
President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #44 on: February 10, 2019, 05:49:04 PM »
If you read it, you will see there is NOTHING in it that is an action or step or tax or anything.  It's simply a vacuous resolution.

It would not cause a single thing to happen.  That would require some future piece of legislation to raise a tax or spend money or create a department.

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« Reply #45 on: February 10, 2019, 05:55:38 PM »
If some think if this is passed and that there will be no new taxes or enforcement attached to the bill or that it would be forth coming in new legislation they are delusional at best.

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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #46 on: February 10, 2019, 06:03:10 PM »
It's a resolution.  You can read it.  There is nothing in it.

And yes, at some point, someone will propose some legislation entirely separate from this that would likely raise taxes etc.  However, this proposed resolution does not do that.  At all.

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« Reply #47 on: February 10, 2019, 06:28:34 PM »
Well - it would be good to get all the pols on the record as to whether they support this nonsense or not.


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« Reply #48 on: February 11, 2019, 08:09:15 AM »
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/321348/#respond


WHY DOESN’T THE MSM SPEND MORE TIME EXPOSING HOW RIDICULOUS THE “NEW GREEN DEAL IS?: Maybe it’s because so many Democratic Presidential contenders have signed onto it. Things that make the “good guys” look ridiculous are the opposite of newsworthy.

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« Reply #49 on: February 11, 2019, 08:21:32 AM »

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/08/692508990/despite-few-details-and-much-doubt-the-green-new-deal-generates-enthusiasm

I'm not sure what else there is to say about it really, and the media outlets know this has no chance of passage and does nothing if it did.

I view it as a momentary bubble, something that gets notice for a few days and then disappears rather quickly.  Yes, something will be back, some protests and sit ins, and perhaps an actual piece of proposed legislation at some point.  I doubt the House wastes much time at all on this resolution.  The more senior Democrats understand this is toxic toxic toxic.

My guess is the resolution gets buried in some committee (AOC isn't even a member of it) and they try and bury it.

I've said before, anyone truly worried about climate change should view this as a distraction that damages the real effort.

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« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2019, 08:25:21 AM »
https://www.economist.com/democracy-in-america/2019/02/11/the-problem-with-the-green-new-deal

The problem with the Green New Deal
A deeply unserious proposal to tackle climate change
It is a document with monumental ambitions and minimal detail. The most prominent Democratic contenders for their party’s presidential nomination—including Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren—had all signed on even before the skeletal sketch was issued. They may come to regret it.

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« Reply #51 on: February 11, 2019, 08:29:12 AM »
What amazes me is how the left idiots, and some on the right, have let go of their common sense whenever this ass wipe woman speaks.....

She has no idea what she is talking about, but she keeps talking and shaking her head yes, almost hypnotizing her audience.  

Ass Wipe speaks:
"Yes, it's a good idea to never fly a plane again"....
"Yes, it's a good idea never to use electricity again"..
"Yes, it's a good idea never to drive a car again"....
"Yes, I have no idea what I'm talking about, but you know I'm right."
"Socialism is your friend".....
"I'm your friend"....

She's very dangerous.........



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Re: AOC on 'Green New Deal'...
« Reply #52 on: February 11, 2019, 08:29:32 AM »
"skeletal sketch" indeed, and that's being kind.  Note that if you would like this to get more attention in the media, one thing that would induce that would be how Republicans can keep bringing it up, perhaps for hearings in the Senate.  Maybe they don't have to vote for it, but they can hold hearings and get more Democrats on record.


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« Reply #53 on: February 11, 2019, 08:33:18 AM »
If a legislator was really interested in passing meaningful legislation on CC, it would have to be a lot more serious than this idiocy.  More senior Democrats have to be shaking their heads and hoping this goes away, and Republicans should ensure it does not go away.  Heck, push the Resolution for a Floor Vote in the Senate, so something, don't let it die.

AOC has handed the Republicans a huge club if they are savvy enough to wield it.

"Real legislation" would have to include specifics like cap and trade and incentives for wind and solar and perhaps also a carbon tax (aside from C&T).  No one is going to push nuclear at this point (no politician), so that is out.  

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« Reply #54 on: February 11, 2019, 08:41:26 AM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer

An interesting story, 19th century cold snap in summer months partially due to a volcanic eruption and solar activity.

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« Reply #55 on: February 11, 2019, 12:18:47 PM »
Someone on here that knows all, said a while back solar activity plays no role in our climate

Now he says the opposite. This is not the first time this has happened.  
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President Harry S. Truman said: “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.  The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings…  If we don't have the proper fundamental moral background, we will finally wind up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the state.”

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« Reply #56 on: February 11, 2019, 12:26:38 PM »
I have no idea who could have said such a thing, obviously solar activity is a huge factor in our climate.  Turn it off an 8 minutes later bad things happen.


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« Reply #57 on: February 11, 2019, 12:28:11 PM »
https://history.aip.org/climate/solar.htm

That would be the physics side of that question, if anyone here can trust physicists.

https://phys.org/news/2017-03-sun-impact-climate-quantified.html



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Re: AOC on 'Green New Deal'...
« Reply #58 on: February 11, 2019, 01:16:29 PM »
It's a resolution.  You can read it.  There is nothing in it.

And yes, at some point, someone will propose some legislation entirely separate from this that would likely raise taxes etc.  However, this proposed resolution does not do that.  At all.
if it is pointless and has not teeth, why the need to even propose?   If approving and moving on seems justifiable in your mind, shouldn't not proposing at all...?   The both would mean ... well... nothing.
You only propose the create support and momentum.  

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« Reply #59 on: February 11, 2019, 01:29:29 PM »
Resolutions are proposed fairly often that have no teeth in Congress.  It's a political stunt.

The Senate passed some resolution to keep troops in Syria recently.

Legislation is different, it has the power to change something.

 

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