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Topic: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness

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Cincydawg

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #600 on: March 15, 2019, 03:48:44 PM »
Most 17 year olds in my experience have no idea what they "want to do", and it stressed them because they surmise they are unusual.  Everyone else is going to college, except for the real dummies, so they go to college also figuring they will figure it out in college, and it seems like fun, and you might meet the dream of your life.

We've all seen "professional students" who never get past this, they often change majors on a whim and just keep going.

I recall in our high school, there were 4 or 5 "levels" of classes one could take.  The top level was IB, and just below that was AP, and below that was "College Prep".  I think they had some fancy name for whatever was below that also, but I forget what it was.  Plenty of kids took CP level course and went to college somewhere, usually not one of the better options around.

"We" are herd/social animals with a strong urge to "do what everyone else is doing".

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #601 on: March 15, 2019, 03:50:31 PM »
I was idly looking at US metro areas by population and noted the largest one I've never visited is Providence, RI.  We're headed to Boston end of the month, and I figure I can check that one off, in addition to visiting the NE states I've never visited before, which would leave me with ND and AL as sole remaining, and we're going to Alaska in September.  I expect to leave ND on the shelf.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #602 on: March 15, 2019, 06:25:45 PM »
Most 17 year olds in my experience have no idea what they "want to do", and it stressed them because they surmise they are unusual.  Everyone else is going to college, except for the real dummies, so they go to college also figuring they will figure it out in college, and it seems like fun, and you might meet the dream of your life.
I was pretty lucky. From the time I was a child, I had already decided something related to math or science was going to be my job. When I started getting into my teen years, I realized that was "engineer", and because I was into electronics and computers at the time, electrical engineering was pretty well a slam dunk.
I know a lot of people at 17 who had no idea what they wanted to do when they grow up. I still know people at 30+ who have no idea lol.
I'm happy with my choice. 

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #603 on: March 15, 2019, 06:31:07 PM »
I find it really interesting. You'd think that a sizable "donation" to a school like USC gets the admissions office to perhaps admit a kid who meets the minimum requirements, but is certainly below the averages for who gets admitted.
I wonder if it's one more step in PoA. It used to be that you donated to the school and then they'd admit your kid. But if they do that, then your kid *knows* that you basically bought their admission. Just think of what that will do to the poor kid's self-esteem? Much better that you do this illegally, behind their back, so that they think they earned it!
What is worst about Lori Loughlin and her husband is apparently their daughter is complete and total twit, who is a "vlogger" and doesn't even want to go or cares about going to college. So they may both end up in jail for a girl who didn't even what what they were bribing people to give her.
I kind of doubt it's that. Chances are, if your kid is enough of a problem with that much privilege, you've probably had a few screaming fights through the years.
It is weird to do because the kid at some point will be presented with evidence of their athletic background. 
A blogger I like pointed out, why send your spoiled rich child to a place that could throw them out. Send them to state school on the 7-year plan. 

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #604 on: March 15, 2019, 06:36:02 PM »
I didn't really know what I wanted to do when I was in school except I'd be best in an analytical role, since I was proficient with spreadsheets and databases. For all the adversity I've had in my career, I'm thankful I stumbled into the clean energy world. It's definitely helped me find purpose in my career and life as a whole, while I see so many other people who find little to know meaning in their careers, even if they're paid well. This is less the case in DC, naturally, but still moreso than you might expect.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #605 on: March 15, 2019, 07:15:41 PM »
There certainly are 17 year olds who at least think they know what they want to do.  A fair number want to be doctors, until they hit freshman and sophomore chemistry.  Then they think they want to go into business.

The only thing I KNEW was I didn't want to gave to get a real job.  I delayed it as long as possible.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #606 on: March 15, 2019, 07:56:01 PM »
I was pretty lucky. From the time I was a child, I had already decided something related to math or science was going to be my job. When I started getting into my teen years, I realized that was "engineer", and because I was into electronics and computers at the time, electrical engineering was pretty well a slam dunk.
I know a lot of people at 17 who had no idea what they wanted to do when they grow up. I still know people at 30+ who have no idea lol.
I'm happy with my choice.
Same here. I had a very specific idea of what I wanted to do from a young age. I mean, after 2nd grade at least, when I wanted to be an astronaut. From then on, I was all in for medicine/doctor/scientist. Luckily, it was a cool plan and pulling it off was just a matter of putting in the time and never quitting. And I've always had a knack for never quitting. The problem though is that now my story can only stay fully resolved if I pull off this Frankenstein career as a guy who sees patients, runs a research lab, and professor to undergrads/med students. If I never hold a position that simultaneously satisfies all of those, I'll be suuuuuuper bummed.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #607 on: March 15, 2019, 11:13:02 PM »
I suspect that one thing the admissions scandal is going to expose is that there isn't all that much elite educating being done at some of the elite educational institutions, that the academic competition ends with acceptance, rather than with graduation.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #608 on: March 15, 2019, 11:22:52 PM »
I was idly looking at US metro areas by population and noted the largest one I've never visited is Providence, RI.  We're headed to Boston end of the month, and I figure I can check that one off, in addition to visiting the NE states I've never visited before, which would leave me with ND and AL as sole remaining, and we're going to Alaska in September.  I expect to leave ND on the shelf.
I've been stuck on 49 for years.   I've decided to go to Alaska with my kids in a couple years.   Largest market I've not been to in terms of MSA is Tampa, then Sacramento.     Don't leave ND on the shelf.  You can find a reason to go there, every place I've ever been has something worth seeing, doing.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #609 on: March 15, 2019, 11:40:25 PM »
I suspect that one thing the admissions scandal is going to expose is that there isn't all that much elite educating being done at some of the elite educational institutions, that the academic competition ends with acceptance, rather than with graduation.
The "isn't all that much" in your first sentence is so wishy washy that it could mean anything. But I consider myself a highest end educator**. I definitely try hard. And was educated by several highest end educators who clearly cared a lot as well. And many of my students obviously take it as seriously if not moreso as I did at their stage. So again, I think I disagree with what you said, unless "isn't all that much" conveniently excludes many professors and many more students. My take is that the physical sciences courses at Big Ten universities (I've been at three now) are taken quite seriously by the 80+% of professors and students.
**(bragging is stupid but I think I have to explain: Teaching physiology, or sometimes anatomy, my student evaluations have been the best of all professors/instructors in a large medical sciences department for 7 semesters straight. Saying it must make me seem like I have a stick up my butt, but it's a point of pride and I guess it may have made me react too strongly to your post, which may have been meant innocuously)
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #610 on: March 15, 2019, 11:56:32 PM »
 Don't leave ND on the shelf.  You can find a reason to go there, every place I've ever been has something worth seeing, doing.
I love that perspective. I've found the same. There are no uninteresting places or even any lacking beauty. There are only bad attitudes about places. And that's always the fault of the mentality, not of the place.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #611 on: March 16, 2019, 12:12:24 AM »
People live all over this country (or globe), not everyplace is a paradise for me or for you.  That doesn't mean these aren't places worth checking out.  Half the reason I love travel, is to be surprised.  It might be a restaurant, a natural site, its often the people.  The more I think about it, some of my favorite memories are places that no such person would rank as must visit place or site.  This country has a lot to see and experience, and that most certainly includes the more remote and unknown places.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #612 on: March 16, 2019, 12:25:56 AM »
Yeah, there's something extraordinary about belonging to a country that extends from ocean to ocean. It means we have everything. Tundra. Prairies, plains. Canyons. Oceans, lakes, rivers. Mountains. Monoliths. Deserts of several kinds. Taiga. Volcanoes. Geysers and Grand prismatic pool. Islands in several climes. I could obviously go on.

As to your other point, there is also something special about people and their knack to make any kind of place a home. It isn't a rule of the universe that we have to be that way, but we are. It's good.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #613 on: March 16, 2019, 07:32:50 AM »
I suspect that one thing the admissions scandal is going to expose is that there isn't all that much elite educating being done at some of the elite educational institutions, that the academic competition ends with acceptance, rather than with graduation.
Howdy pal. I think much of this depends on the major, much as AC posted above. You may be able to sleepwalk through some majors. This I do not doubt one bit.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #614 on: March 16, 2019, 07:34:38 AM »
Taken from a different thread...


We need many more physicians too. That won't help us here but there is a unifying thread that in an increasingly complex and specialized world, it's a real bear to keep up with human talent.

Here, I'm not even putting engineers and scientists on a pedestal as holy special people. Moreso I'm treating them as normal people with very special information and I'm claiming that our problem is an exponentially exploding doubling time of human knowledge. So recruiting and training everyone in time to keep The Brain growing (and actually make practical use of it) is a serious dilemma.

It makes me wonder about the future of knowledge creation and use. Why can't A.I. satisfy many (all?) scientific and engineering needs better than people? That's not rhetorical. I'm not trying to be cute; I don't know either way. And if A.I. can't, how will it be that people can?
Extremely complex, this all is. And yep, our local hospital is constantly looking for staff, top to bottom. Those jobs, and the education required to do them, are hard.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #615 on: March 16, 2019, 09:42:02 AM »
    Don't leave ND on the shelf.  You can find a reason to go there, every place I've ever been has something worth seeing, doing.
try some ice fishing on Devil's Lake
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #616 on: March 16, 2019, 11:18:33 AM »
I'd rather have my finger and toe nails plucked out, one by one, than go ice fishing. It would have the same effect on my fingers and toes anyway.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #617 on: March 16, 2019, 12:51:04 PM »
I'm not interested in luxury ice fishing, where a mobile hotel room is placed on the ice. But sitting on a bucket or in/outside a particle board shanty is awesome. Maybe calling it meditative is too crunchy, but there is something pleasant about being left alone to your thoughts with cold nipping your cheeks.

If you don't have the right jacket, pants, and boots to be warm, don't go though. No one likes to be cold. 

Well geared ice fishers are never cold.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #618 on: March 16, 2019, 12:58:45 PM »
I was probably 20 before I realized that skiing could also be done on snow.

Fishing for ice doesn't sound appealing to me.


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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #619 on: March 16, 2019, 01:04:15 PM »
I'd rather have my finger and toe nails plucked out, one by one, than go ice fishing. It would have the same effect on my fingers and toes anyway.
Really,some of the best fish(Walleye/Perch) have come thru the ice 4-5 miles off shore on Erie.Doesn't get any fresher.Been over a decade however we sold our place and my friends sold their snowmobiles/ATVs.Prolly could get back into it but not worth the expense if your buddies aren't with you - for safety reasons also
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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #620 on: March 16, 2019, 03:17:33 PM »
The first time I was ever intoxicated was while ice fishing.   It was also 8th grade.  No correlation I'm sure.

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« Reply #621 on: March 16, 2019, 04:00:29 PM »
Fishing for ice doesn't sound appealing to me.
I left off that I've never even caught anything except mud puppies. I'm seriously bad. But anyone would like ice fishing anyway if they had my dad and that was the day's activity.

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« Reply #622 on: March 16, 2019, 04:04:36 PM »
Really,some of the best fish(Walleye/Perch) have come thru the ice 4-5 miles off shore on Erie.Doesn't get any fresher.Been over a decade however we sold our place and my friends sold their snowmobiles/ATVs.Prolly could get back into it but not worth the expense if your buddies aren't with you - for safety reasons also
I'm from the waterway connecting Huron and Erie. There's a bay in Lake St. Clair that'll fill up with 100+ trucks once the ice hits 8 inches. Breakthroughs are obviously rare or they wouldn't do it, but still it's kind of spooky. We always just walked out with a sled.

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« Reply #623 on: March 16, 2019, 04:18:06 PM »
The first time I was ever intoxicated was while ice fishing.   It was also 8th grade.  No correlation I'm sure.
I think a 750 of a distilled beverage is mandatory in ice fishing gear kits.

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« Reply #624 on: March 16, 2019, 05:15:33 PM »
Breakthroughs are obviously rare or they wouldn't do it, but still it's kind of spooky. We always just walked out with a sled.
Ya the ice though thick seems to always be cracking,groaning,gnashing.And it always seems to happen when you're walking like you've triggered a split.You're right spooky stuff.I know if stuck on a breakaway ice flow you'll pay handsomely if the Coast Guard sends choppers.For quite some time many outfitters-guides have been using air boats which are perfect even if the ice gives way they can skim across either surface
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« Reply #625 on: March 16, 2019, 05:40:51 PM »
Ya the ice though thick seems to always be cracking,groaning,gnashing.And it always seems to happen when you're walking like you've triggered a split.You're right spooky stuff.I know if stuck on a breakaway ice flow you'll pay handsomely if the Coast Guard sends choppers.For quite some time many outfitters-guides have been using air boats which are perfect even if the ice gives way they can skim across either surface
Growing up, our house was on a small island in that area. 3 sides were canals and the last was the St. Clair River running between Huron and Erie. Usually the river current was too much for the canals to freeze, but after cold storms, the river would clog with icebergs from Lake Huron, the river would stop, and the canals would actually freeze like glass. That thing cracked and groaned like none other. Even worse when the coast guard icebreakers would try to open up lanes through the icebergs for commerce (it's a major throughway for oceanliners). When that happened, the boat waves would cause the canal ice to go up and down and inch or two and it'd sound like horror film background music. Scary, but eventually you'd get used to it and stop letting it disrupt your ice fishing or hockey game.
Your other point is good too. If a person's car falls through, and we assume they survive unscathed, the financials are steep. The car has to be wrenched out, at cost to owner. And insurance won't cover anything if your car is a half-mile out and falls through lake ice.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #626 on: March 16, 2019, 06:47:26 PM »
A few years back i saw these ice flows creeping up and slowly grinding & punishing lakeside cabins - that might have been on Lake St Clair or maybe Michigan/Huron
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« Reply #627 on: March 16, 2019, 06:56:39 PM »
Do you know which town that was?

And yes, ice flows are brutal and unforgiving. In the areas where zoning laws still permit people with riverfront property to extend a pier 100y or so to a boat house, it's amazing how many people still drive wood pylons into the ground. It's cheaper than steel, sure, but those ones last at least a hundred years less long. Ice bergs chop them at the knees and eventually the whole thing craters.

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Re: 2019 Offseason Stream of Unconsciousness
« Reply #628 on: March 16, 2019, 08:43:49 PM »
Howdy pal. I think much of this depends on the major, much as AC posted above. You may be able to sleepwalk through some majors. This I do not doubt one bit.
Hey, Badge.  The Big Ten board is, as it was on CFN, a very busy and interesting one.
Yeah, I'd say that this problem is way more prevalent away from math, engineering, and the hard sciences.
Here's something written in light of the admissions scandal by a nationally known commentator:

"After I was admitted to Harvard Law School, I attended orientation. Our 500-strong class was gathered in Memorial Hall, in historic Sanders Theater, where then-Dean Elena Kagan (now Supreme Court Justice) spoke to us. She informed us that the competition was over – we were in! No need to worry about the stuff we’d seen in The Paper Chase – we were all going to leave with degrees and jobs. Not just that – as graduates of Harvard Law, we were destined to rule the universe. She informed us of how many alumni were in the Senate, how many in Congress, how many on the Supreme Court. The battle was over upon our acceptance to the institution."

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« Reply #629 on: March 16, 2019, 10:28:28 PM »
What that message from Kagan means depends a lot on the attitudes of the person reading it. 

We were told the same thing when we matriculated into medical school. I bet they say the same to every entering law, dental, and business student, too. Which are all examples of this "maybe bad or lazy" message being paired with serious educating. And that doesn't have to be a paradox. It can just be a distinction that an important step is over. Or a signal that "typically everyone who gets this far is serious and you're one of them, so you're set."  Either way, we can assure ourselves that even though I received this message from Dean Paz at a first year "white coat ceremony" and was told "P = MD," as in "pass and you're a doctor," which was all true and that almost everyone graduated, getting an M.D. still took some doing. That the message doesn't (have to) contradict real education.

 

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