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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2019, 08:38:35 AM »
They know.  When FSU hired away Barnett, nobody acted like we lost one of our two coordinators, we knew until this year it was a title only for tressell.
That may be but IMO Grinch came in expecting the gig.So who was answering to who?Had to be a solid reason for him to bolt after one season.Perhaps a chance to make a name for himself that he didn't appear to be getting in C-Bus.Be interesting moving forward to see what he can make of the  Sooners "D".
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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2019, 08:49:25 AM »
I thought that they had hired Grinch as a replacement for Schiano when they thought he was going to Tennessee? 

Grinch grew up in Columbus as a fan, but sorta had the whole co-coordinator thing thrust upon him. 
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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2019, 03:55:23 PM »
I was in St John looking at their collection of OSU FB team pictures (they have them all) and it reminded me of a quandary that we had in ELA's "Jersey Number" thread last year with regards to what year they began numbering the jerseys. Well I now know the answer, at least insofar as Ohio State is concerned. They first toyed with the concept of numbered jerseys in 1929, but it did not become a regular staple until 1934. 

I know that Medina likes to use WWII as a starting point for anything that resembles the modern day game of college FB, and it is a good one to use across the board for a myriad of reasons, but for specifically Ohio State I think there is a strong case for 1934 being the primary pivotal point of Buckeye FB emerging as we know it today. 

That was the year that they hired Francis Schmidt. That was the year that the Michigan game was moved to the end of the season, and the Gold Pants tradition was installed. OSU began to emerge as a Conference power. That was the year that OSU quit playing OAC teams out of Conference. 

The Horseshoe was all broken in by then, Script Ohio had recently become a thing, The forward pass had modernized the game play for the most part, and the NFL was beginning to establish itself as a serious professional league, with a collection of teams that is mostly recognizable to modern day fans, so the implementation of the jersey numbers as well as the emergence of THE GAME really tied it all together.

I think the experience of watching OSU football would be mostly pretty familiar to us back until exactly that point, before which it would begin to get really goofy really fast. 
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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2019, 07:05:02 PM »
Breaking down the jersey before 1934: 

In the pre-Eckstrom era, 1890-98, they initially wore the baseball uniforms but switched after a few seasons to horizontally striped scarlet and grey rugby sweaters. The "grey stripe" on the sleeve was born. They burned through a lot of coaches with Fred Ryder being the most prominent one, coaching from 1892-95, as well as 1898. They were a middling program that mustered only one Conference title before the OIAA disbanded. They only played Michigan once, in 1897, and it was a loss. They went only 3-6 against Kenyon, who was their primary rival at the time.

John Eckstrom coached the team from 1899-1901, which was the pinnacle of the pre-Big Ten era. They had an iconic look with Red sweaters that had a block O on the front and long, horizontally striped scarlet and grey sleeves. This is the inspiration for the modern jersey obviously, only with a block letter instead of block numbers. They won two state titles, including an undefeated 1899 campaign, kicked off the annual Michigan series with a tie in 1900, and went 3-0 vs Kenyon, which kicked off a winning streak in that series that is technically still alive to this day. 

OAC era: 1902-1912. They rolled through this era with the Eckstrom jerseys, albeit with the caveat that only one player had the block O on the front; presumably the QB or maybe the head captain. The era was somewhat disappointing after the Eckstrom administration. They went undefeated against Kenyon, but went winless against Michigan with the lone tie in 1910. They did manage to muster a pair of OAC titles in 1906 and 1912. 

Dr John Wilce era: 1913-1928. The Buckeyes joined the Big Ten in 1913, and Wilce guided the buckeyes from then until 1928. The Eckstrom jersey was replaced with the "Chic Harley" look that had leather helmets and a Scarlet sweater with vertical Grey stripes across the front. The grey striping was removed from the sleeves entirely. They stuck with that look the entire time that Wilce was the coach, with zero modifications whatsoever. A lot of innovations in that era obviously. Big Ten, Ohio Stadium, the first two all Americans, the Illibuck Trophy, Senior Tackle, and so forth. The Michigan series was suspended from 13-17, but Wilce collected wins over them in 19, 20, 21, and 28. Big Ten Titles in 16, 17 and 20.

The era between Wilce and Schmidt: 1929 to 1933. They reverted back to the old Eckstrom look for the jerseys, initially with numbered jerseys in 1929, but with the numbers removed for the duration of that era. Sam Williman was the coach, and he did not fare well. Script Ohio became a thing in 1932, so there's that. He did manage to muster a pair of Michigan wins in 29 and 31. The striping on the sleeve was dialed back from being a sleeve made entirely out of grey stripes to one that had just a small band of stripes above the elbow, more like the modern look. 

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2019, 09:32:47 PM »
Some Mike Tressel to OSU Twitter rumors today.
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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2019, 01:07:56 PM »
OSU defensive staff could look really different.  I figured they had settled on Schiano, but Rivals reports Schiano is out and Bucks looking at Greg Mattison from Michigan.
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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2019, 01:20:53 PM »
Why wouldn't they have just kept Grinch?

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2019, 01:27:18 PM »
Why wouldn't they have just kept Grinch?
No earthly idea other than maybe Day just hated most everyone on the defensive staff and is cleaning house.

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2019, 01:28:03 PM »
Sounds like Mattison is official.

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2019, 02:29:05 PM »
Kinda shocked. He’s like 70. His grand children and his kids live in Michigan. That’s part of the reason he left the NFL to go join Brady Hoke back in 2011.

Apparently his contract was up. Harbaugh could’ve offered him a raise and a Co-DC title I think if he really wanted him to stay. I believe he should have.

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2019, 03:10:34 PM »
Curious on both takes?  Why does he have a screw loose?
Also- seems like almost a sure thing for eligibility. If Patterson got it, the standards are super low.  Wasn’t his brother on the coaching staff that supposedly kept him from knowing the degree of sanctions that could be coming?
I say that because Fields committed to 3 different teams as a recruit, went to Georgia thinking he would just win the starting job despite Georgia having a really good young QB firmly entrenched in Jake Fromm, and as soon as he didn’t win it as a true frosh he decided to transfer. 
He has zero shot in hell to get the waiver to play right away. His entire argument is a baseball player there called him the n word sometime in October and Fields was scared for his life. LOL. Well that baseball player was kicked off the team and out of school by Georgia basically immediately, and Fields stayed at Georgia all the way until a week ago. And his younger sister just enrolled at Georgia and is taking classes there. 
You are comparing apples to oranges. Patterson showed that Ole Miss and specifically that dirtbag Hugh Freeze misled recruits about the sanctions and penalties. Patterson wasn’t the only kid to get an immediate playing time waiver. Every kid on that team who applied for it got it. 
Fields has no argument for a waiver. None. Someone called me the N word and then that someone got kicked out of school, so hey NCAA, let me transfer halfway round the country and play right away please. NCAA will laugh him out of the building.

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2019, 03:13:53 PM »
Why wouldn't they have just kept Grinch?
Most of the fans were thinking/hoping the same thing.He'll get his chance in Norman so we'll find out in a few years how it shakes out.I thought Grinch was a good pick up.Hope Mattison still has it
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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2019, 03:15:21 PM »
Apparently the other half of the DC equation is Jeff Hafley, who was the DB coach for the 49ers

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« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2019, 04:52:49 PM »
Seems like it's not confirmed yet.  To be honest, Michigan's linebacking play has been crap for a decade now (just how many defeciencies Bush covered up became apparant, and he and Jake Ryan are the only decent ones they've had since Carr's last group of Harris-Crable-Burgess), but apparently he's a very good recruiter


https://twitter.com/JamesTYoder/status/1080680644735365120

Well, seems like the offer is officially out there now

https://twitter.com/nickbaumgardner/status/1082387857220816896

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #45 on: January 07, 2019, 04:57:48 PM »
Good optics nonetheless.
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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #46 on: January 07, 2019, 05:24:50 PM »
I know nothing about Hafley.  I love the Mattison hire.  Obviously he's not going to be there for 20 years, but he will bring a lot of stability and soundness to OSU's defense.  An OSU defense that was sound this year might still be playing tonight.

Sounds like Al Washington for Michigan has an offer, too, and has to decide whether to stay or go.

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« Reply #47 on: January 07, 2019, 05:34:31 PM »
I say that because Fields committed to 3 different teams as a recruit, went to Georgia thinking he would just win the starting job despite Georgia having a really good young QB firmly entrenched in Jake Fromm, and as soon as he didn’t win it as a true frosh he decided to transfer.
He has zero shot in hell to get the waiver to play right away. His entire argument is a baseball player there called him the n word sometime in October and Fields was scared for his life. LOL. Well that baseball player was kicked off the team and out of school by Georgia basically immediately, and Fields stayed at Georgia all the way until a week ago. And his younger sister just enrolled at Georgia and is taking classes there.
You are comparing apples to oranges. Patterson showed that Ole Miss and specifically that dirtbag Hugh Freeze misled recruits about the sanctions and penalties. Patterson wasn’t the only kid to get an immediate playing time waiver. Every kid on that team who applied for it got it.
Fields has no argument for a waiver. None. Someone called me the N word and then that someone got kicked out of school, so hey NCAA, let me transfer halfway round the country and play right away please. NCAA will laugh him out of the building.
Thanks. Was wondering what was behind your thoughts. 
I have read quite a few sportswriter opinions on the fields eligibility waiver.  The prevailing thought is 
Virtually a lock to get it.  Thamel said it best as to why.  I don’t necessarily agree- but I do think
He gets it.  I do not think that he automatically 
Wins the job. People are underestimating 
Martell and especially Baldwin.  Go watch his tape
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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #48 on: January 07, 2019, 05:48:38 PM »
Thanks. Was wondering what was behind your thoughts.
I have read quite a few sportswriter opinions on the fields eligibility waiver.  The prevailing thought is
Virtually a lock to get it.  Thamel said it best as to why.  I don’t necessarily agree- but I do think
He gets it.  I do not think that he automatically
Wins the job. People are underestimating
Martell and especially Baldwin.  Go watch his tape
- incredible passer.  
I’d be surprised if he gets it.
If it’s so dangerous for blacks, why are his parents allowing his sister to go there now? 
Georgia’s football team is probably 90% black. If it’s so bad there, why aren’t all the black players on Georgia’s team transferring in droves? 
Kid wants to transfer because he wants to start. Seems really dangerous to me to let this punk play the race card and just grant him the waiver based on total bs. Georgia kicked that baseball player out of school like literally within a few days of the incident going down.

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #49 on: January 07, 2019, 05:58:36 PM »
I know that Medina likes to use WWII as a starting point for anything that resembles the modern day game of college FB, and it is a good one to use across the board for a myriad of reasons, but for specifically Ohio State I think there is a strong case for 1934 being the primary pivotal point of Buckeye FB emerging as we know it today.
I think that this is a good point and I think, for Ohio State, that it is somewhere in the 1930's but not necessarily exactly 1934.  Per Stassen:
  • Ohio State's last game against an old in-state opponent was against Western Reserve (later part of Case Western Reserve) in 1934.  
  • The Michigan game moved to November in 1934 but it wasn't last (Iowa was) until 1935.  

If a modern Ohio State fan got in Doc Brown's Delorean and went to a game in say 1928 I think he'd be lost.  In 1928 the Michigan game was in October, the OOC games were Wittenberg, Muskingum, and Princeton, and the Buckeyes went 5-2-1.  However, if that same fan popped into a game in Ohio Stadium in 1942 he'd mostly feel right at home (with the exception of the wartime games against military installations).  In 1942 the Michigan game was in November and last except for the addition of Iowa Pre-Flight.  The OOC games were Fort Knox, the aforementioned Iowa Pre-Flight, USC, and Pitt, and the Buckeyes finished 9-1.  

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #50 on: January 07, 2019, 05:59:04 PM »
The NCAA will definitely grant it. There is no way that they will be willing to die on that hill, and willingly endure the resulting negative press and potential Nation-wide player protests. 
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« Reply #51 on: January 07, 2019, 06:02:55 PM »
The NCAA will definitely grant it. There is no way that they will be willing to die on that hill, and willingly endure the resulting negative press and potential Nation-wide player protests.
Doubtful. What will the protests be? I’m just not seeing it. 
The kid is using the race card just because he didn’t start as a true freshman and now he wants to transfer and play right away. It’s honestly despicable imo. He’s claiming Georgia is an unsafe place for black athletes and he faced discrimination daily and that’s why he’s leaving. It’s simply not true. And it’s wreckless and shortsighted on his part and just flat out wrong.

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« Reply #52 on: January 07, 2019, 06:08:35 PM »
The protests would likely be on the level of the National Anthem protests that the NFL just endured. 

Look, I find it snow flaky too. Sticks and stones, and all that. And I agree that no one would even pretend to give a crap if the situation was reversed. But that's not the world we live in. The world we live in is a world where the NCAA will knuckle under quickly, without even pretending to put up a fight. 
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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #53 on: January 07, 2019, 06:23:13 PM »

The NCAA is not going to want to be the subject of a National discussion about the threshold of racial intolerance a player has to be subjected to before they have a legitimate gripe. 

Georgia isn't going to want any part of it either. That would get real ugly real quick. 
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« Reply #54 on: January 07, 2019, 08:28:18 PM »
I think that this is a good point and I think, for Ohio State, that it is somewhere in the 1930's but not necessarily exactly 1934.  Per Stassen:
  • Ohio State's last game against an old in-state opponent was against Western Reserve (later part of Case Western Reserve) in 1934.  
  • The Michigan game moved to November in 1934 but it wasn't last (Iowa was) until 1935.  

If a modern Ohio State fan got in Doc Brown's Delorean and went to a game in say 1928 I think he'd be lost.  In 1928 the Michigan game was in October, the OOC games were Wittenberg, Muskingum, and Princeton, and the Buckeyes went 5-2-1.  However, if that same fan popped into a game in Ohio Stadium in 1942 he'd mostly feel right at home (with the exception of the wartime games against military installations).  In 1942 the Michigan game was in November and last except for the addition of Iowa Pre-Flight.  The OOC games were Fort Knox, the aforementioned Iowa Pre-Flight, USC, and Pitt, and the Buckeyes finished 9-1.  
I think this is actually a solid argument that 1934 was the pivotal point. A symbolic closing of the door on their OAC roots with one final beat down of a team that used to have OSU's number, before going all in on THE GAME. 
I think the "second to last" thing is a tad nit-picky as well. Illinois and Michigan were OSU's only fixed annual conference rivals. They final game was going to be one or the other. Obviously the switch was being made, but it took a season or two to get the schedule worked out exactly to their liking, which is understandable. It is not like Iowa was the rival for a year. The Gold Pants tradition starting up in 1934 pretty much shows their hand, imo. 
Now if I were to play Devil's advocate and advocate for pushing it up to WWII, I might point out that just because OSU had jersey numbers in 1934, that doesn't necessarily mean that everyone else did as well. So watching OSU go up against a numberless team might be a little bizarre. Also the plastic helmet wasn't invented until 1939, but by the end of the war both were probably common place across the board. Helmets actually weren't even mandatory until the end of WWII, which is of course another important factor to consider. 
On the flip side... WWII slices Paul Brown and Francis Schmidt out of the picture, whereas 1934 sorta shoehorns them in. 
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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #55 on: January 08, 2019, 07:41:11 AM »
I have 2 thoughts so far.
1) I thought the whole point of bringing Day in as Head coach is to keep continuity, to show everyone that the ship Meyer was sailing was s till strong.

2) If OSU has owned TTUN for the last 2 decades why are we rushing to fill our staff with theirs??? 

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« Reply #56 on: January 08, 2019, 11:09:17 AM »
Sounds like Al Washington will join the Buckeyes

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« Reply #57 on: January 08, 2019, 11:11:56 AM »
Doubtful. What will the protests be? I’m just not seeing it.
The kid is using the race card just because he didn’t start as a true freshman and now he wants to transfer and play right away. It’s honestly despicable imo. He’s claiming Georgia is an unsafe place for black athletes and he faced discrimination daily and that’s why he’s leaving. It’s simply not true. And it’s wreckless and shortsighted on his part and just flat out wrong.
I've not heard him saying Georgia is unsafe for black people.  But one of their star baseball players was calling him the n-word from the stands during a game, and then the baseball player got kicked off the team.  Fields is also a baseball prospect.  There's no doubt that the baseball player probably had a lot of support from the baseball team and from many at the school, and will blame Fields for him being kicked off the team.  That's an ugly situation and I don't blame Fields for not wanting to be in it anymore. 

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #58 on: January 08, 2019, 11:14:43 AM »
I have 2 thoughts so far.
1) I thought the whole point of bringing Day in as Head coach is to keep continuity, to show everyone that the ship Meyer was sailing was s till strong.

2) If OSU has owned TTUN for the last 2 decades why are we rushing to fill our staff with theirs???
As far as continuity, anyone watching can see that the defense needed a shakeup, and honestly I think part of the reason Meyer retired is that he doesn't want to can his good friends.  As far as Michigan, they have fielded some pretty good defenses, and they recruit the same areas as OSU.

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« Reply #59 on: January 08, 2019, 11:37:58 AM »
I feel like Mattison was hails at brilliant when he starter, and then the shine wore off. Granted, being on this board for over a decade (lord), it seems as if every Michigan reset came with a wave of promise and then gradual slip. 

 

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