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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2019, 04:46:36 PM »
Liking the hire more and more just reading about this guys chops as a recruiter and the work he did with Penn State and Bama’s WRs.

Michigan has 3 elite talents at WR coming into their jr seasons in DPJ, Black, and Nico, and a pair of talented kids going into their sophomore year in Ronnie Bell and Oliver Martin. They are also bribing in a very talented frosh in Cornelius Johnson.

With a little bit of luck in the health department and some development that WR crew could really take off next season if this guy is allowed to change that offense around.

Not many teams will have a WR crew as talented as this Michigan one next year. Would be a huge shame if it didn’t make a big leap forward with Patterson coming back and a healthy Black and a new OC and WRs coach.
PSU WR fell off a cliff without him

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2019, 05:10:36 PM »
PSU WR fell off a cliff without him
He seems to be an ace recruiter and a WR guru. Two things Michigan desperately needed right now. 
If he can take Black, DPJ, and Nico to the next level and ensure that 80% of the targets go to the WRs and not the fricken TEs- than yeah- he will be a home run hire. Black is so smooth, DPJ is so athletic, and Nico is just so damn big. They compliment each other very well.

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2019, 05:19:27 PM »
F that Michigan man noise. Go out and hire the best people regardless of ties.
Okay, he coached the WRs for a year at Western. He good.
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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2019, 10:37:43 PM »
press release said Gattis was the OC. No Co in the title and also said he would be calling the plays.

That means- bye bye Pep. Probably see Josh McDaniels of the Patriots lil bro Ben McDaniels get hired as the QB coach and have Gattis be the OC/WR coach. 

Sounds like Boston College Co-DC Campille and Penn State’s DL coach Spencer are the top two defenisve targets on the board to replace GMatt and Al Washington.

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2019, 06:49:40 AM »
I think it's a little weird Bama didn't seem interested in keeping him.

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2019, 12:20:15 PM »
I think it's a little weird Bama didn't seem interested in keeping him.
Oh please. Bama just lost basically their entire offensive staff from the best offense they’ve ever had. 
Locksley got the HC job at Maryland, Dan Enos got the OC job at Miami, Gattis got the OC job at Michigan and their OL coach Brent Key left for Co-OC and OL coach at Georgia Tech.
That’s what happens when you have a record setting offense. You lose coaches. They all left for promotions. Enos and Gattis drop the CO title and get full control, Locksley got a head job in the P5, and the OL coach also got a bump in pay and better title. They all did.

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2019, 12:23:15 PM »
Boston College Co-DC Anthony Campanile hired by Michigan. Sounds like he’ll be coaching Safeties and Chris Partridge will go back to coaching LBs.

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2019, 12:26:01 PM »
Oh please. Bama just lost basically their entire offensive staff from the best offense they’ve ever had.
Locksley got the HC job at Maryland, Dan Enos got the OC job at Miami, Gattis got the OC job at Michigan and their OL coach Brent Key left for Co-OC and OL coach at Georgia Tech.
That’s what happens when you have a record setting offense. You lose coaches. They all left for promotions. Enos and Gattis drop the CO title and get full control, Locksley got a head job in the P5, and the OL coach also got a bump in pay and better title. They all did.
But...Gattis didn't get a promotion.  With Locksley gone, he would seemingly be OC at Alabama with an amazing amount of talent returning. Instead, he was going to Maryland and then Michigan to also be the OC.  I'm not knocking him as a coach, I just don't understand what the reasoning is there.

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2019, 12:41:27 PM »
But...Gattis didn't get a promotion.  With Locksley gone, he would seemingly be OC at Alabama with an amazing amount of talent returning. Instead, he was going to Maryland and then Michigan to also be the OC.  I'm not knocking him as a coach, I just don't understand what the reasoning is there.
He’d have more than likely had to share the CO OC title with Enos assuming both stayed. More money, no sharing of title. Easy choice to make.
He was a done deal to go to Maryland with Locksley for a month anyway. Bama knew he wasn’t going to stay. Only thing that changed was the Michigan offer at the last possible second to snatch him away from Maryland.
Bama only has the RB coach left on staff. Something tells me that offense is going to go backwards drastically in 2019. Lost it’s entire staff and Georgia and Clemson sort of laid down the blue print to expose Tua.

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2019, 12:49:25 PM »
Enos just named OC at Miami, so...

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2019, 12:50:16 PM »
I think it's a little weird Bama didn't seem interested in keeping him.
Just getting back from a four-week vacation (Utah Nat'l Parks in the offseason!!) and am slow on the uptake, but if you are implying this could be similar to the Nussmeier hire (...) maybe (...) because always maybe. But the situations aren't very similar. 
For one, Harbaugh, not Hoke, made the hire and he has been a great hirer of coaching talent**. For two, whereas Alabama fans were cheering Nuss out the door, they are clearly disappointed about losing Gattis. And in the neutral-but-different-than-Nuss category, Gattis hasn't ever been an OC. That last one remains a legitimate question/concern/curiosity, but in his last two stops, he's been part of two "highest end" offenses, likely absorbed plenty, and is a fast rider for other reasons. I.E., no one is questioning his recruiting or WR chops.
**(this one is worth spending an extra second on, however, since both of Harbaugh's failed hires - Drevno and Pep - have been OCs. Skepticism is healthy. However, both of those were lapdog hires, whereas Gattis is the first Harbaugh OC to be reported to take over play calling. Maybe that doesn't qualify as a paradigm shift, but it is an extra reason for positivity.)

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2019, 01:01:02 PM »
Gattis was a part of Moorehead’s 2017 Penn State offense and the 2018 “Greatest offense ever” at Bama. 

Both those offense were wide open, spread it out, up tempo, fast paced, get the ball in playmakers hands in space and let them do their thing. 

Style of offenses that are drastically different to what Michigan has been running. As long as he’s allowed to implement those kinds of changes I love the hire. The real story of his success or failure will be just how much control of that offense that Harbaugh hands over. Jim can be difficult to work for and get along with. And JIM has been the OC of these shit show offenses. No one else.

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2019, 01:01:50 PM »
Just getting back from a four-week vacation (Utah Nat'l Parks in the offseason!!) and am slow on the uptake, but if you are implying this could be similar to the Nussmeier hire (...) maybe (...) because always maybe. But the situations aren't very similar.
For one, Harbaugh, not Hoke, made the hire and he has been a great hirer of coaching talent**. For two, whereas Alabama fans were cheering Nuss out the door, they are clearly disappointed about losing Gattis. And in the neutral-but-different-than-Nuss category, Gattis hasn't ever been an OC. That last one remains a legitimate question/concern/curiosity, but in his last two stops, he's been part of two "highest end" offenses, likely absorbed plenty, and is a fast rider for other reasons. I.E., no one is questioning his recruiting or WR chops.
**(this one is worth spending an extra second on, however, since both of Harbaugh's failed hires - Drevno and Pep - have been OCs. Skepticism is healthy. However, both of those were lapdog hires, whereas Gattis is the first Harbaugh OC to be reported to take over play calling. Maybe that doesn't qualify as a paradigm shift, but it is an extra reason for positivity.)
I'm not implying anything.  Alabama had a historically good offense this year.  THE OC gets a head coaching job.  The position coaches get better jobs.  Gattis was the co-OC.  One would logically assume that Alabama might want some continuity on the offensive coaching staff given how good they were and how many people are returning.  Unless Gattis just didn't like Alabama, he didn't have the option to stick around as offensive coordinator.  I just don't understand why.  

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2019, 01:26:26 PM »
Enos just named OC at Miami, so...
Bama247 saying Saban is zeroing in on ND OC Chip Long.

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #44 on: January 11, 2019, 01:40:25 PM »
I think it's both a good hire, and clear Saban wanted to clear house on offense.

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #45 on: January 11, 2019, 05:34:17 PM »
I think it's both a good hire, and clear Saban wanted to clear house on offense.
But isn't that weird? Far be it from me to question Saban, but cleaning house on offense after last season seems...odd.

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #46 on: January 11, 2019, 05:36:52 PM »
But isn't that weird? Far be it from me to question Saban, but cleaning house on offense after last season seems...odd.
So does leaving MSU to go live in a swamp :96:

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #47 on: January 11, 2019, 08:45:28 PM »
Seems like a really good choice- especially if he is allowed to call plays. 

Wolverines have 3 elite level WRs and a damn good QB,  plus most of the offensive players back.  

A potential for some dynamic offense.   
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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #48 on: January 12, 2019, 03:52:38 PM »
Seems like a really good choice- especially if he is allowed to call plays.

Wolverines have 3 elite level WRs and a damn good QB,  plus most of the offensive players back.  

A potential for some dynamic offense.  
Press release said Gattis would be calling plays. I have my doubts Harbaugh will back off. We’ll see.
Michigan hasn’t had this much WR talent going into a season since like 2004 with Braylon, Avant, and Breaston. 
They also brought in two frosh from the 2019 class that look very promising in slot ninja Giles Jackson and a kid that honestly looks like a Tarik Black clone in Cornelius Johnson.

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #49 on: January 12, 2019, 06:04:11 PM »
Just getting back from a four-week vacation (Utah Nat'l Parks in the offseason!!)
Did ya get up on a little Zion and Bryce? 
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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2019, 07:25:58 PM »
Did ya get up on a little Zion and Bryce?
Thanks for asking, man!🙃
Bryce and Escalante didn't fit our road map. That'll be an incentive to come back for the next trip! I'd really love to win the park's lottery to be one of the 10-20 people per day with permission to see The Wave. And despite having two nights in Zion for Angel's Landing, Observation Point, etc., we'll definitely be back for the Narrows, the Subway, and Kolob.
Ten nights in all. Got in like 70 miles of primitive hiking (some was less than primitive - true wilderness, which is the real dream) all throughout the UT, with a touch in AZ.
Usually stayed in airbnbs or NP lodges for the wife but also satisfied my cold camping itch: At Goblin Valley, we holed up in a yurt (wish I had brought my telescope!) and at Canyonlands, I set up my tent a few steps from the cliff at Island in the Sky. It got down to 16*F that night. Brrrrrr!
Flew into SLC and after grabbing bear mace and booze, we were off to Capitol Reef NP for a day and night. Then Goblin Valley and Little Widhorse. Then Arches NP, then Canyonlands NP. Did Monument Valley (was minorly bummed at how that's less hiking than a restaurant and driving around). A day in Antelope Canyon plus Coral Pink Sand Dunes. And finally the 48h at Zion.
From talks with rangers, the parks seemed to top out at 50-200 people per day. And very few of them were hiking. Stuff of dreams.
Crazy how many times we saw tracks that clearly belonged to a big cat (cougar, not a dog). Was glad to have the bear mace. But, unlike a grizzly, you always wonder what your odds are of knowing you have to ward the cat off before it's at your neck and game over.
We finished with 24-hours in Vegas. Which is probably the ideal amount of Vegas for Beth and I. And after showing up late and lying about it being our honeymoon, the Bellagio upgraded us to the stupidest suite I may ever see - penthouse, private elevator, overlooking the famous fountain. So so so perfect and dumb.
Looking back, wow. Never seen anything like Utah. Well I went as a child but had forgotten. Still, it was the right length of trip because just as it was ending, we were ready to be elsewhere, home with families in Algonac, MI then across Canada to Buffalo, NY. So whew - we've put in some miles.
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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #51 on: January 13, 2019, 07:51:43 PM »
Crazy how many times we saw tracks that clearly belonged to a big cat (cougar, not a dog). Was glad to have the bear mace. But, unlike a grizzly, you always wonder what your odds are of knowing you have to ward the cat off before it's at your neck and game over.
Nice write up it's been more than a few years - I've had brushes with black bears in Canada.Happened to be fishing off of a 20 ft ledge when I realized there were wild berry bushes all over the place a bear passed prolly 50 yds away but fortunately going parallel.Nothing like looking around the shore and seeing Bruin paw prints everywhere.Fortunately I was much faster than my fishing buddies.But cougars don't make any noise when stalking.Bears are used to being the baddest thing around so they don't care how much racket they make - they take what they want
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« Reply #52 on: January 13, 2019, 07:59:55 PM »
Michigan hasn’t had this much WR talent going into a season since like 2004 with Braylon, Avant, and Breaston.
Truth.Not sure about Manningham but wasn't Arrington on that team also
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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #53 on: January 13, 2019, 08:13:25 PM »
Truth.Not sure about Manningham but wasn't Arrington on that team also
I think they were both freshmen in 2005?
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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #54 on: January 13, 2019, 08:28:46 PM »
Nice write up it's been more than a few years - I've had brushes with black bears in Canada.Happened to be fishing off of a 20 ft ledge when I realized there were wild berry bushes all over the place a bear passed prolly 50 yds away but fortunately going parallel.Nothing like looking around the shore and seeing Bruin paw prints everywhere.Fortunately I was much faster than my fishing buddies.But cougars don't make any noise when stalking.Bears are used to being the baddest thing around so they don't care how much racket they make - they take what they want
Hahaha, faster than your buddies? A little dark but that's all it takes. 😂
It's easy to have respect for bears. Like you say, biggest and baddest thing out there. But it's kind of reassuring to know that encounters almost always give an opportunity for smart gesturing to negotiate a way out on both sides.
And sometimes it's a pure mistake and they just lumber by with apathy. I can't imagine people and cougars accidentally stumble into one another that often. Big cats are too perceptive and intentional.
Anyway, it's probably against policy, but I FedEx'd the bear mace home (it was like $60 with the holster -- too much to want to trash or just donate) and will be happy to have it in the Adirondacks this summer. I've never hiked with a firearm. A month "making it" in Alaska wilderness (like, Denali NP and Bristol Bay) is a goal before I die, and I'll obviously have a firearm then. But mace is the readiest I'll choose to be until then.

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« Reply #55 on: January 13, 2019, 09:16:48 PM »
Thanks for asking, man!🙃
Bryce and Escalante didn't fit our road map. That'll be an incentive to come back for the next trip! I'd really love to win the park's lottery to be one of the 10-20 people per day with permission to see The Wave. And despite having two nights in Zion for Angel's Landing, Observation Point, etc., we'll definitely be back for the Narrows, the Subway, and Kolob.
Ten nights in all. Got in like 70 miles of primitive hiking (some was less than primitive - true wilderness, which is the real dream) all throughout the UT, with a touch in AZ.
Usually stayed in airbnbs or NP lodges for the wife but also satisfied my cold camping itch: At Goblin Valley, we holed up in a yurt (wish I had brought my telescope!) and at Canyonlands, I set up my tent a few steps from the cliff at Island in the Sky. It got down to 16*F that night. Brrrrrr!
Flew into SLC and after grabbing bear mace and booze, we were off to Capitol Reef NP for a day and night. Then Goblin Valley and Little Widhorse. Then Arches NP, then Canyonlands NP. Did Monument Valley (was minorly bummed at how that's less hiking than a restaurant and driving around). A day in Antelope Canyon plus Coral Pink Sand Dunes. And finally the 48h at Zion.
From talks with rangers, the parks seemed to top out at 50-200 people per day. And very few of them were hiking. Stuff of dreams.
Crazy how many times we saw tracks that clearly belonged to a big cat (cougar, not a dog). Was glad to have the bear mace. But, unlike a grizzly, you always wonder what your odds are of knowing you have to ward the cat off before it's at your neck and game over.
We finished with 24-hours in Vegas. Which is probably the ideal amount of Vegas for Beth and I. And after showing up late and lying about it being our honeymoon, the Bellagio upgraded us to the stupidest suite I may ever see - penthouse, private elevator, overlooking the famous fountain. So so so perfect and dumb.
Looking back, wow. Never seen anything like Utah. Well I went as a child but had forgotten. Still, it was the right length of trip because just as it was ending, we were ready to be elsewhere, home with families in Algonac, MI then across Canada to Buffalo, NY. So whew - we've put in some miles.
Yeah, you pretty much conquered Utah. My folks grew up out there, and retired to the Zion area about a dozen years ago. It is definitely best in the off season. Good call. 
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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #56 on: January 13, 2019, 10:39:06 PM »
Very jealous, AC... Glad you had a blast. Sounds amazing  

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« Reply #57 on: January 13, 2019, 10:51:38 PM »
Very cool about your origins; had no clue. I'm not sure if your parents retired around Zion/Springdale or a small hop away, like St. George. 

It's a real embarrassment of riches out there - state wide, truly, but somehow even more so in that SW corner. We had originally hoped to include St. George. We were basically there, but it just didn't fit. Ditto Kanarraville and New Harmony.

If you get into the nitty gritty, including not just parks/towns but named hikes/sites, there may be a literal hundred reasons (on our scratch papers and word docs) begging us back to that SW corner of UT. And that's just what Google helped us know about.

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« Reply #58 on: January 14, 2019, 12:23:52 AM »
Very jealous, AC... Glad you had a blast. Sounds amazing  
Thanks man! This probably isn't weird, at least I hope not, but when we were out there I did briefly think of you and medina, just based on past posts about the great outdoors.

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #59 on: January 14, 2019, 08:09:43 AM »
Very cool about your origins; had no clue. I'm not sure if your parents retired around Zion/Springdale or a small hop away, like St. George.

It's a real embarrassment of riches out there - state wide, truly, but somehow even more so in that SW corner. We had originally hoped to include St. George. We were basically there, but it just didn't fit. Ditto Kanarraville and New Harmony.

If you get into the nitty gritty, including not just parks/towns but named hikes/sites, there may be a literal hundred reasons (on our scratch papers and word docs) begging us back to that SW corner of UT. And that's just what Google helped us know about.
They are in St George. 
Lake Powell is a good trip, and while there you'd be wise to drop down into AZ and check out the slot canyons. 
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