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2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« on: December 30, 2018, 01:30:55 PM »
Nordin was kicked off the team for calling Harbaugh a motherf***er in practice.  Was probably transferring either way



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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2018, 01:35:22 PM »
Nordin was kicked off the team for calling Harbaugh a motherf***er in practice.  Was probably transferring either way
Been a long time since Harbaugh spent the night with him. 

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2018, 01:43:09 PM »


So far Harbaugh hasn't been able to get by ND or OSU, but get both teams at home. 

The road team is undefeated in the Paul Bunyon series since big Jim's arrival, so that trend would favor the Spartans. 

JH has yet to beat Wisconsin on the road, so that one could be problematic. And winning at Penn St is no gimme. 

You can probably pencil in a W in the other seven games, so 3-2 in the five big games should be enough to catapult the Wolverines to another 10-win finish heading into the Bowl Game. 
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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2018, 03:35:46 PM »
Don't sleep on Army, Oklahoma almost did.

Iowa is at home, but next year's Hawkeyes team looks like it could be Ferentz's best since that 2010 team.  Better than the 2015 version.

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2018, 05:13:32 PM »
starting CB LaVert Hill returning for his senior year as is starting safety Josh Mettelus. That’s big news for the 2019 secondary. If they can get the other starting CB David Long to return as well- whoa. Hopefully Dax Hill is ready to start at the other safety spot and hopefully Ambry Thomas is ready to finally make his presence felt on defense and not just special teams. Long, Thomas, and Dax can fly. Probably 3 of the 10 fastest guys in the entire B1G. If they can’t produce an elite secondary with athletes like that next year- then Don Brown should be on his way out. Brown needs to change up his schemes. Less man to man across the board is a GOOD thing. 

Pep Hamilton was on the sidelines in the Lambeau field in the GB vs Detroit game today. I pray to god that means he’s taking an NFL job.

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2018, 05:17:32 PM »
Metellus is terrible in every big game.  Getting all the cornerbacks back is big though.

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2018, 05:26:28 PM »
Metellus is terrible in every big game.  Getting all the cornerbacks back is big though.
Because Don Brown asks him to do things he shouldn’t be asking him to do. 
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a safety play as much man to man coverage as he asks Metellus to play. There are only a handful of safeties in the history of the sport that can actually play man to man like a CB all game long and hold up. Metellus ain’t one of them. Dax Hill- now that’s the type of freak athlete that might be able to do it but we won’t know til he actually goes out and does it. Bottom line- for a safety to play that much man to man he’s got to be a freak of nature like Dax Hill. That ain’t Metellus. Metellus is an average athlete. 
Metellus was awful in 2017, but he was quite good most of the time in 2018. If he can improve a bit and if Don Brown can get his head out of his ass and stop asking Metellus to play so much man to man coverage- I think he can be quite good. 
Really, they need to change the defensive scheme imo. It’s not working. It’s been figured out and exposed. Joe Moorhead cracked the code on that defense last year and Urban and his disciple Dan Mullen set it on fire this year.
They need massive scheme overhaul.

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2018, 09:32:04 PM »
Been a long time since Harbaugh spent the night with him.
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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2018, 01:15:24 PM »
The OL still isn’t up to par and it’s pretty sad that in 4 years Karan Higdon is hands down the best RB that Jim’s developed. 

Don’t get me wrong, I think his offenses suck and so does his philosophy, but they’d have look a lot better with an elite level OL and an elite RB. 

He landed his best RB prospect yet in the 2019 class, and the guard prospects look pretty good. But offensive tackle still seems to be the weak spot in his recruiting. 

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2019, 02:35:26 PM »
Something has to change offensively. As I was watching Baker Mayfield almost come back and beat the Ravens, it hit me, that Michigan’s offense is not only ineffective vs better teams, but it’s also incredibly boring.

Looking back, this was one of the most boring 10 win seasons I can remember. They simply are not a fun team to watch. I would honestly rather watch a 7-8 win RichRod team than this 10 win Harbaugh team.

It’s difficult to determine if it’s Pep or Harbaugh, but the offense has not evolved with as the game has evolved over the last 15 years. 

I’m hopeful something changes heading into 2019. My preference is that there’s a change with Pep and at qb. Those two changes will help us see if Harbaugh is actually the problem.

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2019, 02:11:43 AM »
Something has to change offensively. As I was watching Baker Mayfield almost come back and beat the Ravens, it hit me, that Michigan’s offense is not only ineffective vs better teams, but it’s also incredibly boring.

Looking back, this was one of the most boring 10 win seasons I can remember. They simply are not a fun team to watch. I would honestly rather watch a 7-8 win RichRod team than this 10 win Harbaugh team.

It’s difficult to determine if it’s Pep or Harbaugh, but the offense has not evolved with as the game has evolved over the last 15 years.

I’m hopeful something changes heading into 2019. My preference is that there’s a change with Pep and at qb. Those two changes will help us see if Harbaugh is actually the problem.
Pep has taken another job sounds like, and the problem isn’t the QB or Pep, it’s Harbaugh. It’s his boring, stupid offense with his fingerprints all over it.
Shea was actually pretty good all things considered. You saw how bad Speight, O’Korn, and Peters looked playing in this shit show offense for these stupid coaches, right? McCaffrey has shown next to nothing and newsflash: Joe Milton sucks at playing QB. Better pray to god that Shea doesn’t get hurt or 2019 will be ugly as shit. 
In other news, TE Zach Gentry has declared for the NFL draft. Which makes no sense to me, seeing as how he has some ways to go as a blocker still and he dropped more big key passes in the biggest games this season than any WR/TE that I’ve ever seen at Michigan. Should’ve stayed in school and improved. 

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2019, 06:48:22 AM »
I think Michigan will be decent in 2019 with Patterson's return.   The OL should continue to improve.  The defense is more of a question mark but should be solid at a minimum.    So, decent in 2019 but I'm sure I'll be thinking Big Ten title contender by Summer.   Michigan's large recruiting class is pretty good.  Michigan has yet to out recruit Ohio State IMO which is something they'll have to do if they want to beat them.
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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2019, 02:33:30 PM »
If they can get the other starting CB David Long to return as well- whoa.
Long declared for the draft

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2019, 02:42:32 PM »
Long declared for the draft
Always made more sense for him to leave early than Hill imo. 
Long is taller, bigger, and faster than Hill. Wouldn’t shock me to see Long go late 1st or 2nd round if he blows up the combine, which I bet he will. He was a track star in high school, very athletic kid.

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2019, 08:43:23 PM »
Pep has taken another job sounds like, and the problem isn’t the QB or Pep, it’s Harbaugh. It’s his boring, stupid offense with his fingerprints all over it.
Shea was actually pretty good all things considered. You saw how bad Speight, O’Korn, and Peters looked playing in this shit show offense for these stupid coaches, right? McCaffrey has shown next to nothing and newsflash: Joe Milton sucks at playing QB. Better pray to god that Shea doesn’t get hurt or 2019 will be ugly as shit.
In other news, TE Zach Gentry has declared for the NFL draft. Which makes no sense to me, seeing as how he has some ways to go as a blocker still and he dropped more big key passes in the biggest games this season than any WR/TE that I’ve ever seen at Michigan. Should’ve stayed in school and improved.
Brandon Peters actually played ok. The fact that Speight was the starting qb tells me that the coaching staff has no grasp at deterring the best an on the roster. I believe that was true in 2018 as well. Say what you will, but Shea did nothing to wow me. He did have a solid completion percentage, but when you throw to your tight ends a million times, or Nico and DPJ catch wvwrything, I’m not sure how much of that’s on the qb.
Shea didn’t lose games, but I’m not sure he went out and won them either.

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2019, 02:31:58 PM »
As mentioned on the Ohio State off season thread Michigan's DL coach Greg Mattison will be the Buckeyes next DC.


https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2019/01/07/defensive-line-coach-greg-mattison-departs-michigan-ohio-state/2503884002/


Mattison's sizable contract was up and there were rumors of him retiring but this is a surprise.   I'm guessing Michigan decided not to extend his contract.    Also rumors that Ohio State is talking to Michigan LB coach Al Washington and Michigan DC Brown may be off to be head coach at Temple.

I've been waiting for a shake up on the offensive side of the program.
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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2019, 11:44:39 AM »
LB coach Al Washington to Ohio State.  If you can't beat 'em join 'em I guess.  I think this makes DC Brown to Temple more likely since Washington was one of his guys.
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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2019, 01:29:45 PM »
LB coach Al Washington to Ohio State.  If you can't beat 'em join 'em I guess.  I think this makes DC Brown to Temple more likely since Washington was one of his guys.
Not sure it means anything in regards to Don Brown. 
I have to admit, as much as I’ve enjoyed Don Brown’s defenses dominating over-marched opponents, his defenses have a really bad habit of not showing up in the big games vs the best teams.
Ideally I’d like him to stay and hire some fresh blood that might bring some new ideas and wrinkles. Not sure he’s ever going to change his “we have to play man to man coverage across the board” MO though. Works great vs most teams. Works very badly vs teams that actually have the skill talent to dice it up. See: PSU last year or OSU this year.

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2019, 08:29:31 PM »
Class of 2020 OT Myles Hinton of Georgia- a 5* and the #1 OT and a top 10 player in the nation in the 247Composite- and little brother of Michigan signee DT Chris Hinton commits to- Stanford. 

Man the hits just keep on coming. Myles Hinton’s CRYSTAL BALLZ were 100% Michigan. He was a heavy lean to Michigan. Going to Stanford. 

Harbaugh can’t get jack shit right it seems like. Probably his worst 2 months ever as coach. 

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2019, 12:46:28 PM »
to be fair.. sometimes people want to create their own shadows and not live under a relatives...  

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2019, 02:15:47 PM »
to be fair.. sometimes people want to create their own shadows and not live under a relatives...  
Harbaugh shit the bed here imo. This one was a layup with mom and dad heavily in Michigan’s corner. 
Two ELITE 5* plug and play OTs he should’ve had in back to back recruiting years in in-stater Logan Brown and Myles Hinton and he gets nada. 
And this is exactly why Michigan’s OL sucks vs the good teams starting a 6’3 tackle in Runyon Jr and a guy who won’t sniff the NFL in JBB. 
If Harbaugh wants to run his stupid boring offense he needs to starting getting elite tackles with elite size elite length and elite athleticism like those two. 

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2019, 02:30:53 PM »
thanks.... You'd be closer to the situation.   

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2019, 03:33:53 PM »
Sounds like Bama co-OC Josh Gattis not going to Maryland, instead going to Michigan

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2019, 03:35:54 PM »
Yeah but....


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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2019, 03:37:20 PM »
Hot commodity.  Wonder how much more Michigan offered?

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2019, 03:54:49 PM »
Yeah but....


Is he a Michigan man?
F that Michigan man noise. Go out and hire the best people regardless of ties.

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2019, 04:13:13 PM »
Have to think this means Pep Hamilton is on his way out. 

Even if Harbaugh doesn’t turn over the reigns it’s an upgrade for the simple fact that Gattis is a waaaaaay better recruiter than Pep. Pep was maybe the worst recruiter on that staff. Gattis is a hot shot recruiter who will be a big boost to a staff that just lost two great recruiters in Washington & Mattison. 

Have to think Gattis must’ve gotten some assurances he’d get the reigns and do what he wants on offense. Otherwise, why take the job ? 

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« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2019, 04:19:51 PM »
Jeff Ermann saying Gattis took the Maryland offer and shopped it around for a better one.  Could add some juice to the Michigan-Maryland game next year


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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2019, 04:21:52 PM »
It did say co-OC right?  I assume that means Pep is staying
Been rumors for months that Pep wouldn’t be back next year and was told to go look for an NFL job.
They didn’t have any open offensive staff positions. Only had two defensive positions open. Think this means Pep is toast. He’s dead weight. Shit recruiter, shit OC, AND they pay him over $1 million a year. Insanity. No one is dying to pay that clown $1.2 million a year. Make no sense that Michigan pays him that kind of money. Harbaugh just hooking up his boy right there. If Pep was on the open market he’d have a tough time getting an OC job let alone one that pays him that kind of dough.

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Re: 2019 Michigan Offseason Thread
« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2019, 04:36:11 PM »
Liking the hire more and more just reading about this guys chops as a recruiter and the work he did with Penn State and Bama’s WRs. 

Michigan has 3 elite talents at WR coming into their jr seasons in DPJ, Black, and Nico, and a pair of talented kids going into their sophomore year in Ronnie Bell and Oliver Martin. They are also bribing in a very talented frosh in Cornelius Johnson. 

With a little bit of luck in the health department and some development that WR crew could really take off next season if this guy is allowed to change that offense around. 

Not many teams will have a WR crew as talented as this Michigan one next year. Would be a huge shame if it didn’t make a big leap forward with Patterson coming back and a healthy Black and a new OC and WRs coach.

 

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