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Topic: Major Applewhite out at U of H ?

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Re: Major Applewhite out at U of H ?
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2019, 01:31:57 PM »

And Dana in.

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Re: Major Applewhite out at U of H ?
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2019, 01:49:41 PM »
Man, tough crowd over there. Maybe we can fire Tim Beck and get Major back as our OC.

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Re: Major Applewhite out at U of H ?
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2019, 02:10:15 PM »
Man, tough crowd over there. Maybe we can fire Tim Beck and get Major back as our OC.
 
Major not happening.  After going senorita you never go back.

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Re: Major Applewhite out at U of H ?
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2019, 02:38:47 PM »

Major not happening.  After going senorita you never go back.
I don't believe that to be true for a second.  Folks have a short memory when winning football games is a desired outcome.

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Re: Major Applewhite out at U of H ?
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2019, 05:26:40 PM »
was he oc at texas?

he was oc at bama saban's first season. granted he didn't have the players we got now, but tbh he wasn't great. he was really young then, too, so i'm guessing he's matured as a play caller too. wish him well.

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Re: Major Applewhite out at U of H ?
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2019, 05:42:03 PM »
was he oc at texas?

he was oc at bama saban's first season. granted he didn't have the players we got now, but tbh he wasn't great. he was really young then, too, so i'm guessing he's matured as a play caller too. wish him well.
There's a long list of OCs whose styles haven't meshed well with Saban's, that's about all I'll say about that.
He was an offensive assistant and sort of a co-OC at Texas for a few years, then he was the sole OC in Mack Brown's final year here.  The wheels had long since come off that wagon, so it wasn't really much of a role.
Mostly I really liked what Applewhite's offenses under Tom Herman looked like at Houston-- they were far, far better than what Tom Herman has fielded at Texas thus far, and with mostly inferior athletes to what we have on campus in Austin.  Our current OC is a bit of a lost cause.  Watching him run Sam Ehlinger directly into the center of Georgia's defense 5 times in a row right at the goal line was mind-boggling and depressing.  It eventually worked simply because Ehlinger is a badass, but it was horrifyingly awful play-calling.  And we get that type of thing a lot with our current OC.

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Re: Major Applewhite out at U of H ?
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2019, 05:42:16 PM »
IIRC Major was OC at Syracuse, Rice, Alabama.  RB coach, then co-OC (non-playcalling), then OC at Texas.  Then OC, then HC at UofH.

Hey may end up on Manny Diaz's staff at the U.

As for bringing him back to Texas, I like the alignment and trajectory of the program at the moment so I'd hate to see anybody tinker with it.

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Re: Major Applewhite out at U of H ?
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2019, 05:42:40 PM »
I think Major was one of the best field generals UT has ever had and Ive seen a lot of UT QBs

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Re: Major Applewhite out at U of H ?
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2019, 05:44:54 PM »
IIRC Major was OC at Syracuse, Rice, Alabama.  RB coach, then co-OC (non-playcalling), then OC at Texas.  Then OC, then HC at UofH.

Hey may end up on Manny Diaz's staff at the U.

As for bringing him back to Texas, I like the alignment and trajectory of the program at the moment so I'd hate to see anybody tinker with it.
Conversely, I loathe Tim Beck and would love to see just about anyone replace him.

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Re: Major Applewhite out at U of H ?
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2019, 05:45:07 PM »
Mostly I really liked what Applewhite's offenses under Tom Herman looked like at Houston-- they were far, far better than what Tom Herman has fielded at Texas thus far, and with mostly inferior athletes to what we have on campus in Austin.  
And against inferior opposition too.  Let's not forget that.
Say what you will about Beck.  It's Herman's offense and I like that there's been some stability for the first time in a decade.  

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Re: Major Applewhite out at U of H ?
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2019, 05:46:55 PM »
Conversely, I loathe Tim Beck and would love to see just about anyone replace him.
You do know it's fine for us to have differing opinions?   Makes life interesting.
It's not like we need to have a duel in the parking lot of Ojos Locos tomorrow.  I'm fine with you being wrong.  Doesn't bother me at all.

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Re: Major Applewhite out at U of H ?
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2019, 05:48:44 PM »
And against inferior opposition too.  Let's not forget that.
Say what you will about Beck.  It's Herman's offense and I like that there's been some stability for the first time in a decade.  
Eh, when he played top-level teams his offenses still got top-level results.
And make no mistake, I'll say exactly what I want about Tim Beck.  He's incredibly awful and his inept play-calling in the 4th quarter of the Sugar Bowl just about cost us a game we had easily in hand.  He's just lucky that Sam and the WRs are total bad-asses and out-athleted Georgia's defense all night long, because that's the only reason Texas scored points two nights ago.

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Re: Major Applewhite out at U of H ?
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2019, 05:51:44 PM »
Ok, nice guy.  Hate Beck all you want.  He ain't my father, brother or son.

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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2019, 11:17:16 PM »
You do know it's fine for us to have differing opinions?   Makes life interesting.
It's not like we need to have a duel in the parking lot of Ojos Locos tomorrow.  I'm fine with you being wrong.  Doesn't bother me at all.
Well, yeah.  I didn't feel like we were about to come to fisticuffs or something.  Did you?
I'm pretty sure that the conversation we were having was all about discussing our differing opinions.  Especially your completely wrong opinions.
If that's not true and we need to fight this out inside the octagon, well, let me know.  It might take me a few months to train up for it, but I assure you I'll do my best to be ready.

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Re: Major Applewhite out at U of H ?
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2019, 11:17:22 AM »
There's a long list of OCs whose styles haven't meshed well with Saban's, that's about all I'll say about that.
He was an offensive assistant and sort of a co-OC at Texas for a few years, then he was the sole OC in Mack Brown's final year here.  The wheels had long since come off that wagon, so it wasn't really much of a role.
Mostly I really liked what Applewhite's offenses under Tom Herman looked like at Houston-- they were far, far better than what Tom Herman has fielded at Texas thus far, and with mostly inferior athletes to what we have on campus in Austin.  Our current OC is a bit of a lost cause.  Watching him run Sam Ehlinger directly into the center of Georgia's defense 5 times in a row right at the goal line was mind-boggling and depressing.  It eventually worked simply because Ehlinger is a badass, but it was horrifyingly awful play-calling.  And we get that type of thing a lot with our current OC.
saban gets a bad rap with his offenses, i guess because he's known for his stellar defenses.
but he's put out some great offenses (or allowed his oc to do so, however you want to look at it).
his offenses produced 2 of the top 5 all time passers for a season for lsu (and recruited and coached a 3rd before leaving for nfl) (all diff players), 6 top 10 career and 3 of top 6 single season receivers.
at msu, he had 1 top 10 career passer, 2 top 10 career rushers, and 2 top 10 career receivers.
at bama he has 3 top 5 and 5 top 10 career passers, 9 of the top 10 single season passer records (7 diff players), 2 top 5 and 6 top 10 career rushers, 3 top 5 and 6 top 10 single season rushers (6 diff players), 3 top 5 and 5 top 10 (could be 7 if you count 2 sr in his first year) receivers career, and 9 of the top 10 single seasons receiving (6 diff players).

granted none of these teams were ever really juggernauts on offense, mostly building their reps on d, but saban doesn't get near enough credit for his offenses. especially his passing offense.

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Re: Major Applewhite out at U of H ?
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2019, 11:43:11 AM »
Man, it's not enough that Alabama has won every single national championship for the past decade,  Now their fans have to come over to our pathetic little conference's message board and spend 6 paragraphs rubbing in how superior Saban's offenses have been, in addition to his defenses?

Can't you just leave us alone, to wallow in our own self-pity?  Aren't we insignificant enough that we don't even deserve a response????



(Just kidding man, your input is always appreciated.  I was just more focused on Applewhite, than I was on Saban, in my post. ;) )

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« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2019, 11:48:52 AM »
And speaking of Applewhite, looks like he's probably headed to Miami to be the OC under Manny Diaz.  That's probably a good move for him, get out of Texas, expand his network, and do it in one of the real talent hotbeds of college football.

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Re: Major Applewhite out at U of H ?
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2019, 12:17:23 PM »
I think Applewhites main HC problem is that he isnt a very good politician

Mack Brown excelled at it for example

I think Applewhite will find his place with a few more years of experience
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Re: Major Applewhite out at U of H ?
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2019, 12:51:31 PM »
Man, it's not enough that Alabama has won every single national championship for the past decade,  Now their fans have to come over to our pathetic little conference's message board and spend 6 paragraphs rubbing in how superior Saban's offenses have been, in addition to his defenses?

Can't you just leave us alone, to wallow in our own self-pity?  Aren't we insignificant enough that we don't even deserve a response????



(Just kidding man, your input is always appreciated.  I was just more focused on Applewhite, than I was on Saban, in my post. ;) )

yes, but you mentioned saban in a bad light, and this is the interwebz and i can't allow that. gump rule. :)
i like applewhite, but was unimpressed with him at bama. he was inconsistent in his playcalling. but that was 12 years ago and he's worked under quite a few good coaches since then. i also didn't know he made it to oc at texas. i knew he was at houston and then got the hc job after herman. looking like he might be headed to miami, which will be another good offensive mind he works under in holgerson.

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Re: Major Applewhite out at U of H ?
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2019, 01:30:06 PM »
Holgo is going to Houston to replace Major.

Major would be working under HC Manny Diaz at Miami.

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« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2019, 01:56:34 PM »
Why would Dana go from a P5 conference to U of H

Looks like a step down to me
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« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2019, 02:04:26 PM »
Why would Dana go from a P5 conference to U of H

Looks like a step down to me
Money.  UH has tons of it.  Not UT-like money, but there are plenty of Houston-based oil and business interests that support UH.
It'd been rumored for a while that Holgo was asking WVU for more, and they either weren't willing, or weren't able, to produce it.

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Re: Major Applewhite out at U of H ?
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2019, 02:08:02 PM »
Holgo is going to Houston to replace Major.

Major would be working under HC Manny Diaz at Miami.
:-[ i knew that.

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« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2019, 02:52:48 PM »
If that's not true and we need to fight this out inside the octagon, well, let me know.  It might take me a few months to train up for it, but I assure you I'll do my best to be ready.
Since I'm like 12 or 13 years older than you, I get to bring a 2x4 into the octagon with me.  Right?

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Re: Major Applewhite out at U of H ?
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2019, 12:53:51 PM »
Money.  UH has tons of it.  Not UT-like money, but there are plenty of Houston-based oil and business interests that support UH.
It'd been rumored for a while that Holgo was asking WVU for more, and they either weren't willing, or weren't able, to produce it.
Oh, and also, as our resident WVU fan Kris pointed out on the B1G threads (sure which he'd post over here more), there's a faction of the WVU administration and fans that aren't too sad to see him go.  They think he's done well there but has probably hit his ceiling.  So I don't think they tried too hard to hold onto him.  With him leaving, they avoided having to pay his buyout and, apparently, Houston even had to pay WVU some money to buy him out.  
If WVU really got the next up-and-comer they wanted, then I think this is probably one of those rare win-wins when it comes to the coaching carousel.

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Re: Major Applewhite out at U of H ?
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2019, 01:08:59 PM »
Money.  UH has tons of it.  Not UT-like money, but there are plenty of Houston-based oil and business interests that support UH.
It'd been rumored for a while that Holgo was asking WVU for more, and they either weren't willing, or weren't able, to produce it.
I’m not sure of that. I think it’s more like Tillman Fertita has lots of money, which may be about the same thing. I know a few years ago UH was pouring massive amounts of money into its athletic dept as opposed to schools like A&M and UT whose athletic dept is self sustaining. They are probably on much better footing now than 10 years ago. I’m curious how y’all feel about the big 12 snubbing UH and if they should eventually be accepted into the conference. 

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« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2019, 01:48:53 PM »
I’m curious how y’all feel about the big 12 snubbing UH and if they should eventually be accepted into the conference.
I have no feelings about it all really.
I was a most ardent football fan in about 1974 before I discovered girls so that’s my template for college football and everything differing from that pains me.
Plus the whole arbitrariness of it.  For years we were told there was no value in adding TCU, then we added them.  For the same reasons we were told the was no value in adding UofH for the same reasons.  Then we heard the Texas public schools supported their entry.
So I have no idea what’s what.
I also hear OU & Texas will go to the B1G in 2025.

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Re: Major Applewhite out at U of H ?
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2019, 10:09:47 AM »
I'm curious why you would suggest the B12 is "snubbing" Houston.

Do you similarly think the SEC is "snubbing" Houston?

What an odd comment.

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« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2019, 04:13:09 PM »
From his comments, evidently Dana really loves living in Houston. Apparently about 5 million people do it, so I guess it's just inevitable that some of them enjoy the experience.

 

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