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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #196 on: January 01, 2019, 04:04:44 PM »
because they're sheep
If they’re sheep, you have a better selection?

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« Reply #197 on: January 01, 2019, 06:32:09 PM »
the diversity of the computer rankings are great
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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #198 on: January 02, 2019, 10:34:16 AM »

Georgia may be the 3rd best team, but they already had their crack at Alabama, and they had a loss to LSU.


I don't know what I was thinking of.

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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #199 on: January 02, 2019, 04:00:51 PM »
Maybe the better question is whether they should be contracted back to two.

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« Reply #200 on: January 02, 2019, 04:23:42 PM »
Maybe the better question is whether they should be contracted back to two.
If an undefeated Notre Dame was left out, the universe would implode.
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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #201 on: January 02, 2019, 06:05:43 PM »
The universe is exploding, technically, anyway.

It might start imploding in a few billion years, though the rate of expansion is apparently accelerating, which poses a bit of a conundrum.

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« Reply #202 on: January 02, 2019, 08:48:32 PM »
I learned this year that it's expanding faster than the speed of light......so much of it we'll never be able to see, ever.  I hadn't known that specific part of it.  
So if a super-nova is far enough away from us, its light will never reach us....I think.  
Do we have any idea where the big bang happened? Is it the center of the body the milky way is a dot on an arm of?
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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #203 on: January 03, 2019, 01:07:26 AM »
Voted no, but been debating how I would like to see this set-up if it came to pass and think I finally would a way that I think would at least somewhat balance tradition. 

1. Have all 5 conferences tie to a major bowl. Big 12 and SEC can continue to be tied to Sugar together if they want, but I suspect for this they would separate out with the SEC keeping the Sugar and the Big 12 going to either the Cotton or back to the Fiesta (let's say the Cotton).
 
 2. The 4 quarterfinals would all be on New Years Day or over 2 days. The conference champs would all be placed in their respective bowls. In the Rose Bowl, you will have both Big Ten and PAC-12 champs unless the two teams both are in either the top 3 or the bottom 3 of the 8 playoff teams. If that ends up the case, the lower ranked team is made an at large team. The same would apply for the SEC/Big 12 if both stuck with the Sugar (although for the rest of this I'm saying they aren't).
 
 3. The 3 or sometimes 4 at large teams (possibly with added protections for Group of 5 of independents) would be placed to balance the seeds as much as possible.
 
 4. I think the compromise with the Group of 5 teams and independents would be this. Any independent guarenteed in if they are in the top 8 (unlike everyone else, they can never get in outside of the top 8, so they also won't be able to be kicked out if they are in it). For the Group of 5, the highest champ will be in if they are in the top 12.
 
 Here's how that would look this year, assuming the Big 12 went with the Cotton Bowl:
 Rose Bowl: #6 Ohio State vs. #3 Notre Dame
 Sugar Bowl: #1 Alabama vs.#9 Washington
 Cotton Bowl: #4 Oklahoma vs. #5 Georgia
 Orange Bowl: #2 Clemson vs. #8 UCF
 
 If Ohio State had been #5 instead of #6, Ohio State and Washington still would have been in the Rose Bowl, but at #6 they and Washington are both the bottom 3 seeds. In this particular year, that would have given the Big Ten an easier opponent than pure rankings, but the opposite can just as easily happen as well.
 
 After the playoff bowls, I would have a single site for the semi-finals and national championship and make it a week long event.

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« Reply #204 on: January 03, 2019, 01:44:52 AM »
I fear no matter where you set the line for G5 teams, it will become a glass ceiling.  Voters, knowing where the line is, would have ranked UCF 9th this year and last year.  But that's just my opinion and I'm probably wrong.  Perhaps that wouldn't happen until they let a G5 team get in the way of a big-boy team and the NC trophy first....
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« Reply #205 on: January 03, 2019, 07:52:54 PM »
I fear no matter where you set the line for G5 teams, it will become a glass ceiling.  Voters, knowing where the line is, would have ranked UCF 9th this year and last year.  But that's just my opinion and I'm probably wrong.  Perhaps that wouldn't happen until they let a G5 team get in the way of a big-boy team and the NC trophy first....
Possibly. I heard some talk of something like the old G5 rule for BCS. You'd get a spot, unless you were below the worst P5 champ. 

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« Reply #206 on: January 03, 2019, 08:12:14 PM »
So I was thinking about this, the coming expansion, and what OAM talked about the regular season as a gauntlet, both for those in the mix (the vast minority) and those watching from the outside.

And I think what killed that was this: At some point, our opinions started to harden, and we really stopped caring about the beautiful latticework that was a season. 

By this I mean, if you look back to the early BCS, the main things that popped were the controversies and the near misses. As in, people talk about some UCLA game in ... 1998 I think, that knocked them out. We talk about the K-State team that slipped up. Nebraska losing to Colorado and going over Oregon. Ohio State surviving and surviving as talking heads said "Iowa and USC are probably better." The title game was very much the product of a journey. 

But somewhere along the way it became more ... ordained for lack of a better word. What happened in the title game was just the way it was supposed to be. It was and always will be unfortunately tied in with the SEC vs. the world dynamic that resulted. It wasn't exactly that we knew how it would end, but that when it was ended, it was quickly wrapped up into something that was supposed to happen. Some team would make a run, some SEC team would back in, that SEC team would win, and we'd talk about the fraud that made it to face them and how a team (2008 Oklahoma, 2010 Oregon, 2006 OSU, 2012 Notre Dame) was always a bit of a paper Tiger. 

When we look back at 2006 Florida, what's considered most interesting tends to be that defense that came alive, that group that made a great OSU offense look lost and wanting, the idea their excellence had been obscured by the gauntlet they came through. And when that's the case, it's little wonder we want more big stage games.

What could be interesting about 2006 Florida is Karl Dorrell and Eric McNeal swung a national title. It's Jarvis Moss, it's a secret important USC-ND game the week before the UCLA upset. 

We became a people so focused on point making that we (we being the wider populace) forgot how to appreciate the breadth of a season, or maybe we never did. And when every season gets reduced in such a way to the concentrated part at the end, people want more of that, even if it dilutes what they took for granted. 

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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #207 on: January 03, 2019, 08:29:32 PM »
I know that the sports with commissioners have a vague, but simple charge for that position - do what's best for the health of the game.  Maybe going back to the mythical national championships is what's good for college football.  The maybes and ifs that have been eliminated.  ???
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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #208 on: January 04, 2019, 11:34:46 AM »
So I was thinking about this, the coming expansion, and what OAM talked about the regular season as a gauntlet, both for those in the mix (the vast minority) and those watching from the outside.

And I think what killed that was this: At some point, our opinions started to harden, and we really stopped caring about the beautiful latticework that was a season.

By this I mean, if you look back to the early BCS, the main things that popped were the controversies and the near misses. As in, people talk about some UCLA game in ... 1998 I think, that knocked them out. We talk about the K-State team that slipped up. Nebraska losing to Colorado and going over Oregon. Ohio State surviving and surviving as talking heads said "Iowa and USC are probably better." The title game was very much the product of a journey.

But somewhere along the way it became more ... ordained for lack of a better word. What happened in the title game was just the way it was supposed to be. It was and always will be unfortunately tied in with the SEC vs. the world dynamic that resulted. It wasn't exactly that we knew how it would end, but that when it was ended, it was quickly wrapped up into something that was supposed to happen. Some team would make a run, some SEC team would back in, that SEC team would win, and we'd talk about the fraud that made it to face them and how a team (2008 Oklahoma, 2010 Oregon, 2006 OSU, 2012 Notre Dame) was always a bit of a paper Tiger.

When we look back at 2006 Florida, what's considered most interesting tends to be that defense that came alive, that group that made a great OSU offense look lost and wanting, the idea their excellence had been obscured by the gauntlet they came through. And when that's the case, it's little wonder we want more big stage games.

What could be interesting about 2006 Florida is Karl Dorrell and Eric McNeal swung a national title. It's Jarvis Moss, it's a secret important USC-ND game the week before the UCLA upset.

We became a people so focused on point making that we (we being the wider populace) forgot how to appreciate the breadth of a season, or maybe we never did. And when every season gets reduced in such a way to the concentrated part at the end, people want more of that, even if it dilutes what they took for granted.
Very well stated.
And I believe it goes beyond that as well.  The nationalization of the sport, the 24/7 new cycle, the focus on the endgame which has fostered the endless debates about relative conference strength-- they've not only caused us to miss out, or deliberately pass over, that latticework of the regular season.  They've also caused many of us to forget that the game itself is supposed to be the important thing.   The individual struggles of offensive lineman against defensive lineman, of wide receiver against defensive back, of quarterback against the blitzing linebacker, of each coach strategizing against the other-- the things that happen in between the white lines, on the field of play-- those are what is supposed to be important.  It's supposed to be entertainment.  It's supposed to be fun.  It's supposed to be the entire point of the thing.
But many of us have somehow lost that along the way.  We ignore the individual games, and the games within those games.  We focus on the big picture, and on the postseason, instead of enjoying each game by itself.   We've lost our ability to live in the moment and simply enjoy the game, the way many of us enjoyed playing it when we were kids.  
I'm certainly not saying this has happened to everyone on this message board, or every fan of college football.  Personally, I try to stay in the moment and enjoy the individual moments of the games themselves.  But it's sometimes difficult, with all of the noise, all of the chatter, so very focused on the things that I don't believe should matter nearly as much.
It wasn't always this way.  College football used to be a far more regional sport.  Winning football games, beating your rivals, winning the conference, getting to a "good bowl"-- those used to be the goals for teams, and coaches, and fans.  But the sport slowly, and perhaps inevitably, shifted to a far more national focus.  Now, simply winning a game and defeating your opponent isn't enough.  We're forced to worry about whether it was "pretty" enough to impress the voters, or the selection committee.  We have to worry whether Ohio State or OU look more dominant, and compare their common opponents and perform all sorts of other mental gymnastics.
The focus has shifted so far from regional to national, to the point where we're actually talking about whether or not Georgia wanted to play in the SEC's traditional New Year's Day bowl, because they were disappointed about being left out of the CFP.
I'm not against OAM's posed suggestion of going back to the MNCs.  It reminds me of a time when college football was more fun to follow. I just don't see any realistic path back in that direction.  So I have to wonder, is there anything that can be done within the current framework, to get back some of the old "rah rah" feelings from decades ago?  Is it perhaps time to revert to the idea of true student athletes instead of NFL-wannabe athletes that have no interest in school?  Are we as fans willing to accept the sharp decline in the quality of player, and quality of play, that would likely bring about?

Just my $0.02 this morning.

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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #209 on: January 04, 2019, 11:55:13 AM »
Meh.

#firstworldproblems

Spend two decades as a fan of a non-helmet team, and you'll realize all this BCS, all this CFP, all this other stuff is really other people's concern. For a Purdue fan, every goddamn win is precious.

 

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