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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2018, 06:10:31 PM »
btw, USF had no trouble scheduling a 2-for-1 with Florida 
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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2018, 06:14:13 PM »
Assuming that we had adopted an 8-team playoff with auto-bids for the five P5 Champions and the highest ranked G5 Champion, here are the quarter-final match-ups that would have occurred from 2014-2018:
2014:
  • #1 SEC Champion Alabama vs #20 MWC Champion Boise State
  • #2 PAC Champion Oregon vs #7 MissSt
  • #3 ACC Champion Florida State vs #6 TCU
  • #4 B1G Champion Ohio State vs B12 Champion Baylor
  • Best teams left out is #8 Michigan State (10-2)
2015:
  • #1 ACC Champion Clemson vs #18 AAC Champion Houston
  • #2 SEC Champion Alabama vs #7 Ohio State
  • #3 B1G Champion Michigan State vs #6 PAC Champion Stanford
  • #4 B12 Champion Oklahoma vs #5 Iowa
  • Best team left out is #8 Notre Dame (10-2)
2016:
  • #1 SEC Champion Alabama vs #15 MAC Champion Western Michigan
  • #2 ACC Champion Clemson vs #7 B12 Champion Oklahoma
  • #3 Ohio State vs #6 Michigan
  • #4 PAC Champion Washington vs #5 B1G Champion PSU
  • Best team left out is #8 Wisconsin (10-3)
2017:
  • #1 ACC Champion Clemson vs #12 AAC Champion UCF
  • #2 B12 Champion Oklahoma vs #8 PAC Champion USC
  • #3 SEC Champion Georgia vs #6 Wisconsin
  • #4 Alabama vs #5 B1G Champion Ohio State
  • Best team left out is #7 Auburn (10-3)
2018:
  • #1 SEC Champion Alabama vs #9 PAC Champion Washington
  • #2 ACC Champion Clemson vs #8 AAC Champion UCF
  • #3 Notre Dame vs #6 B1G Champion Ohio State
  • #4 B12 Champion Oklahoma vs #5 Georgia
  • Best teams left out is #7 Michigan (10-2)

This seems much better to me than the 4 team CFP.  Every team with a potential gripe gets in.  8 seems like the perfect number to me.

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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2018, 07:01:20 PM »
btw, USF had no trouble scheduling a 2-for-1 with Florida
2021 - Tampa
2022 - Gainesville
2025 - Gainesville


well, let's hope they win 2 of 3
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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2018, 07:03:04 PM »
It's still chicken shit.

The Bearcats once agreed to four games in Columbus in exchange for one game in Cincinnati.
I wouldn't call it chicken shit, but if you're pleading at the top of your lungs for respect......... that's your opportunity
it would be chicken shit if the Gators turned it down
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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2018, 08:28:38 PM »
This seems much better to me than the 4 team CFP.  Every team with a potential gripe gets in.  8 seems like the perfect number to me.
I'm not sure this should be the deciding factor:  every team with a potential gripe gets in?  Are we married and caving into the wife when she nags us enough?  The phrasing is icky to me.
This is cutthroat competition, no?  Fair?  Are we whining that it's not fair?  Do what FSU did 40 years ago.  
9/19/81 @ 17 Nebraska
10/3/81 @ 7 Ohio State
10/10/81 @ ND
10/17/81 @ 3 Pitt
10/24/81 @ LSU
Sure, they were an independent, but they didn't whine.  They played whoever, wherever, even on the road, and earned their way to the top of the ladder.  If UCF has hit a ceiling, then go independent and load up on 2-for-1 deals and get after it.
Here's UCF's record vs ranked teams since they won the Fiesta Bowl in 2013 (ranked at the time of the game):
@ 20 Missouri - L by 28
21 Houston - L by 49
@ 5 Michigan - L by 37
22 USF - W by 7
16 Memphis - W by 7
7 Auburn - W by 7
19 Cincinnati - W by 25
In five years, they've played 7 ranked teams (at the time).  Four of those were fellow mid-majors.  Three others were blowout losses.  
To be honest, looking at everything, the 2017/18 UCF teams should get on their knees and kiss the feet of the 2013 squad.  All they did was lose by three @ 12th ranked South Carolina, hand #8 Louisville it's only loss (led by Teddy Bridgewater), and beat #6 Baylor by 10.  Oh, and they beat Penn State in Happy Valley.  All in the same season.  THAT team has a gripe, not last year's or this year's Knights.  F- them.
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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2018, 08:31:20 PM »
Or just win the beauty contest.  Pass the eye test.  Have a resume and performance the committee can't deny.




When did that become an unrealistic goal???  College football has always been about urgency.  It's great because EVERY loss is potentially damning.  Whether it's 1973 or 83 or 2023, every loss should make a team feel like it's in peril.  That it lost it's chance.  



Or we could open the floodgates so no one's feelings get hurt.  
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« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2018, 08:42:10 PM »
the last 5 is impressive

too bad it's not 5 in the past 2 seasons

22 USF - W by 7
16 Memphis - W by 7
7 Auburn - W by 7
19 Cincinnati - W by 25
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« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2018, 08:45:30 PM »
I disagree actually - would you call it impressive if Clemson or Georgia's two wins vs. G5 teams were by 7 points each?  I'd call those outcomes embarrassing, even if both teams were ranked.  


A G5 team ranked in the teens or twenties is simply a G5 team that didn't schedule anybody tough, so they have a nice record.
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« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2018, 08:49:36 PM »
hey, I didn't say it was enough to put them in the top 4

just impressive

Georgia hasn't won 5 in a row vs the top 25

has Clemson?
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« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2018, 09:41:27 PM »
So the current 4 team playoff contract can be opted out in 2022. I think I would prefer that we go to 6 teams, see how that plays out before jumping straight to 8.

Run it for 6 years, at 6 (Kinda like it seems we are going to do with the 4 teams playoff.) And see how hard the push back it to go to 8.

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« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2018, 09:49:51 PM »
So the current 4 team playoff contract can be opted out in 2022. I think I would prefer that we go to 6 teams, see how that plays out before jumping straight to 8.

Run it for 6 years, at 6 (Kinda like it seems we are going to do with the 4 teams playoff.) And see how hard the push back it to go to 8.
6 is hard  If you make it conference champs + at large, the G5 goes nuts. 
If you make it conference champs + best G5, the SEC goes nuts because they can't have two teams. 
If you make it "best 6 teams", the people who worry about diluting the championship AND the people who want conference championships to matter go nuts.
It's lose-lose-lose. 

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« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2018, 09:51:10 PM »
the G5 loses with 6
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« Reply #42 on: December 13, 2018, 09:52:42 PM »
Who would have to do the opting out?  Why would the SEC or ACC opt out of it?  
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« Reply #43 on: December 13, 2018, 09:53:04 PM »
the G5 loses with 6
The G5 has already lost.
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« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2018, 09:54:10 PM »
and that losing will continue

especially with 5 or 6
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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #45 on: December 13, 2018, 10:25:49 PM »
A G5 auto-bid under the 8 team format should only be available if they run the table imo. 

Of course then you might have a year where two of them do it. But that could happen anyway. 
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« Reply #46 on: December 13, 2018, 10:43:37 PM »
bids should be earned by play on the field, not auto

Washington didn't earn a big this season

IF pitt or northwestern would have pulled the upset in the CCG, neither would have earned a bid
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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #47 on: December 13, 2018, 10:48:03 PM »
I like 6 Teams. The 5 P5 champions and the top G5 Champ. Also change all conference title games so that top two teams from each Conf go to the title game regardless of division.

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-Every Con Title game is now a playoff game and worth more. You can even market these as the "Conference playoffs" maybe. 
-Your season cant end in the first week of the season. A team in early Sept is often very different then the one in late Nov. College Football is the only sport were one loss in week one can end a season.
-Incentivize more big non conference games. This system makes playing out of conference games worth while. You wont have your season end if you lose and these games can be huge factors in getting those top two spots for byes in the playoffs which I think every team would tell you is a huge benefit. 
-There is a clear path to winning a championship for every team.
-While only 6 teams officially make the playoffs with all your conference title games being playoffs you are really able to grow the field to 11-14 teams(depending on how many group of 5 teams are in contention on the last Saturday) without adding a bunch more games to the college football season.

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« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2018, 10:49:39 PM »
Auto-bids are indeed earned by winning your Conference. 
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Re: Should playoff teams be expanded?
« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2018, 10:50:09 PM »
bids should be earned by play on the field, not auto

Washington didn't earn a big this season

IF pitt or northwestern would have pulled the upset in the CCG, neither would have earned a bid
All Conf title games should just be the top two teams regardless of division I think. If you are good enough to make the title game and then win it you have earned your place in the playoff over the course of a season I think.

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« Reply #50 on: December 13, 2018, 11:11:55 PM »
So is Northwestern the 2nd best team on the Big Ten or Michigan?  Both 8-1 in conference

I don't like the idea of an 8-1 Michigan getting a rematch a week later after losing 62-39

Syracuse and Pitt both 6-2 in the ACC

Washington vs Washington St. rematch in the PAC?

I don't think it helps much

I like that it eliminates some fluky upsets, but I'd rather not have non-con games and rankings tell us who's 2nd best in the conference
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« Reply #51 on: December 13, 2018, 11:26:25 PM »
So is Northwestern the 2nd best team on the Big Ten or Michigan?  Both 8-1 in conference

I don't like the idea of an 8-1 Michigan getting a rematch a week later after losing 62-39

Syracuse and Pitt both 6-2 in the ACC

Washington vs Washington St. rematch in the PAC?

I don't think it helps much

I like that it eliminates some fluky upsets, but I'd rather not have non-con games and rankings tell us who's 2nd best in the conference
I dont think you need to use anything other then normal conf rules. Michigan would go by virtue of the win they had over Northwestern. I cant speak to the other conf because I dont know who beat who.  Im fine with rematches since it can happen anyway. This would at least you give better games on the whole. It would also keep the fringe 7-5 type teams out more often. 

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« Reply #52 on: December 13, 2018, 11:35:31 PM »
I like the better games slant, just don't think Michigan deserved another chance after their performance vs the Bucks
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« Reply #53 on: December 14, 2018, 01:02:25 AM »
well, let's hope they win 2 of 3

btw, USF had no trouble scheduling a 2-for-1 with Florida
2021 - Tampa
2022 - Gainesville
2025 - Gainesville


That's different. USF plays Raymond James Stadium. They might well force Pig Town into playing them home-and-home, as UF fans will help USF fill the place at a premium price. USF is almost on par with UF and FSU in terms of talent and performance. Bearcats are not on par or close to Ohio State. Bearcats may be the 2nd best team in Ohio, or in many years, they may not be the 2nd best team.

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« Reply #54 on: December 14, 2018, 07:44:17 AM »
I think if an opponent has a 60+K seat stadium they can fill for a game, they merit a home and away agreement.

If they play in a 30 K stadium, not.

And UF fans would fill up the UCF stadium if UCF doesn't anyway.

Of course, if you schedule UCF now for games in '26, they could be mediocre by then.

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« Reply #55 on: December 14, 2018, 07:58:59 AM »
That's different. USF plays Raymond James Stadium. They might well force Pig Town into playing them home-and-home, as UF fans will help USF fill the place at a premium price. USF is almost on par with UF and FSU in terms of talent and performance. Bearcats are not on par or close to Ohio State. Bearcats may be the 2nd best team in Ohio, or in many years, they may not be the 2nd best team.
Huh? 
Cincinnati and SFU have played 16 times since 2003, and the Bearcats lead the series 9-7.
This year the Bearcats beat the Bulls by 12.
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« Reply #56 on: December 14, 2018, 08:00:43 AM »
-Incentivize more big non conference games. This system makes playing out of conference games worth while. You wont have your season end if you lose and these games can be huge factors in getting those top two spots for byes in the playoffs which I think every team would tell you is a huge benefit.
Except how are teams going to treat these?  They may be big name games, but they will be de facto exhibition games.

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« Reply #57 on: December 14, 2018, 08:19:48 AM »
 I think there is a recruiting incentive in playing serious OOC games for obvious reasons, already, and has been.

Take UGA, they had a poor slate this year OOC, fortunately that is unusual.  And had they beat say ND, they likely would have made the playoff, instead of UMass (perhaps).  If you play a Texas or even UCLA OOC, it's hypes your program, and if they are on the schedule down the road it helps with recruiting.

As for the myriad playoff schemes, I'll get serious about them when the NCAA starts talking about it.  Usually, it is fans of teams that got left out most interested for obvious reasons.

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« Reply #58 on: December 14, 2018, 08:20:40 AM »
Huh?
Cincinnati and SFU have played 16 times since 2003, and the Bearcats lead the series 9-7.
This year the Bearcats beat the Bulls by 12.
Assuming he might have meant UCF instead of SFU, The Knights have had five 10+ win seasons since 2000. The Bearcats have had six, with five of them during their time in the Big East. UCF also went winless twice over that stretch, once as a MAC team (you read that right) in 2004, and again in 2015.
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« Reply #59 on: December 14, 2018, 08:35:20 AM »
I like 6 Teams. The 5 P5 champions and the top G5 Champ. Also change all conference title games so that top two teams from each Conf go to the title game regardless of division.

+
-Every Con Title game is now a playoff game and worth more. You can even market these as the "Conference playoffs" maybe.
-Your season cant end in the first week of the season. A team in early Sept is often very different then the one in late Nov. College Football is the only sport were one loss in week one can end a season.
-Incentivize more big non conference games. This system makes playing out of conference games worth while. You wont have your season end if you lose and these games can be huge factors in getting those top two spots for byes in the playoffs which I think every team would tell you is a huge benefit.
-There is a clear path to winning a championship for every team.
-While only 6 teams officially make the playoffs with all your conference title games being playoffs you are really able to grow the field to 11-14 teams(depending on how many group of 5 teams are in contention on the last Saturday) without adding a bunch more games to the college football season.
Not a big fan and letting the rankings decide who plays. You are basically leaving it up to a group of people (voters) decide who is the better team even though about 90% of them never watched a complete game from either team. 

While I would prefer we go back to 10 team conferences and allow teams to play a round robin, 9 team conf schedule, it's not going to happen. So the next best is the winner of each division playing a title game. NW was 8-1 in conference and won their division without question. They EARNED their shot at the conference title. I seen nothing wrong with that. 

 

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