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Topic: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1

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CousinFreddie

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2018, 07:11:52 PM »
What I always most admire about Osborne was that his very best teams came at the end of his career.  How many coaches have done that?  Usually even the great coaches peak and then kind of slide down toward the mean as their careers wind down.  

Coach Osborne instead ended 13-0, and only lost 2 games in his last 4 years.  Has anyone else even come close to that? 
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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2018, 08:13:33 PM »
Osborne had his best teams at the end because he got better as he went along.  He had some luck recruiting, he had some luck with his nemesis, Switzer, no longer around.

His biggest asset was his willingness to evolve and change.  Offense and defense.

He finished on top because of 25 years of stress.  Maybe similar to Meyer
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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2018, 09:12:16 PM »
TO > UM

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #33 on: December 14, 2018, 12:40:40 PM »
In the total history of the Heisman the Heisman winners team has gone 28 and 28 in their bowl game
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisman_curse

Also of note is that Billy Sims OU team won their bowl game in 1978
My favorite!
1992Gino Torretta#1 Miami Hurricanes1993 Sugar Bowl (National Championship Game)#2 Alabama Crimson TideL, 13–34

Torretta called his third and final time out with 9:38 left. In the THIRD quarter! Went to the bench and asked for glasses and toilet paper because he didn't know whether to sh!t or go blind. Threw a Pick 6 on the second play after the time out.
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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2018, 12:57:36 AM »
Congrats to Bama!  Good luck in the final.

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2018, 05:18:04 AM »
Wow, Alabama started strong but OU fought their way back into the game. No telling how it would’ve ended if OU didn’t spot them a 28 pt lead midway through the 2nd quarter. 

Good luck in the finals. 

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #36 on: December 30, 2018, 09:06:24 AM »
I'm glad Bama won.

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #37 on: January 01, 2019, 09:20:52 PM »
Congrats to Bama, although I'm sick of hearing the SEC hype on ESPN.

When it was 28-0, I feared a repeat of the 2004 (season) Orange Bowl, where the undefeated and uber-talented Sooners collapsed after facing a little adversity.

This time, an undersized, maybe undertalented, certainly undercoached defense hung in and fought to the end, and the offense finally got cranked up and made a game of it.

Bama and Clemson are clearly the best two teams in the country.  But I am really tired of the "Georgia's right there with 'em" talk in the national media.

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2019, 10:57:25 AM »
Congrats to Bama, although I'm sick of hearing the SEC hype on ESPN.

When it was 28-0, I feared a repeat of the 2004 (season) Orange Bowl, where the undefeated and uber-talented Sooners collapsed after facing a little adversity.

This time, an undersized, maybe undertalented, certainly undercoached defense hung in and fought to the end, and the offense finally got cranked up and made a game of it.

Bama and Clemson are clearly the best two teams in the country.  But I am really tired of the "Georgia's right there with 'em" talk in the national media.
I guess Texas might have helped a little on that last bit, but of course those that have an agenda to push are already parroting the "Georgia didn't want to be there" line of bullshit, despite those same mediots claiming for the previous 4 weeks that Texas was small and weak and that no B12 team could possibly hang with a Georgia team even if the Bulldogs only had 50% motivation to be there.  
Anyway, condolences on the loss to Bama.  That team is just unbelievably good.  Again.

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2019, 11:28:32 AM »
I guess Texas might have helped a little on that last bit, but of course those that have an agenda to push are already parroting the "Georgia didn't want to be there" line of bullshit, despite those same mediots claiming for the previous 4 weeks that Texas was small and weak and that no B12 team could possibly hang with a Georgia team even if the Bulldogs only had 50% motivation to be there.  

That viewpoint is basically just held exclusively by TexAgs (and maybe bamajoe).  The general consensus of most fans (even Georgia fans and SEC fans) is that Texas played a good game that wasn't as close as the final score.
I like that Texas held Georgia to 72 yards rushing.  Nobody saw that coming.
The SEC and Big 12 are different animals.  What works in one, doesn't work always work in the other.  It doesn't necessarily mean one is better than the other.  In this particular instance, Texas caught a favorable match up.  Georgia may have been the only one dimensional offense Texas faced all year.  Shut down the run, force Fromm to beat you with his arm and Bob's your uncle.

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #40 on: January 02, 2019, 11:35:01 AM »
That viewpoint is basically just held exclusively by TexAgs (and maybe bamajoe).  The general consensus of most fans (even Georgia fans and SEC fans) is that Texas played a good game that wasn't as close as the final score.
I like that Texas held Georgia to 72 yards rushing.  Nobody saw that coming.
The SEC and Big 12 are different animals.  What works in one, doesn't work always work in the other.  It doesn't necessarily mean one is better than the other.  In this particular instance, Texas caught a favorable match up.  Georgia may have been the only one dimensional offense Texas faced all year.  Shut down the run, force Fromm to beat you with his arm and Bob's your uncle.
Lots more than that.  Mediots the nation around are already parroting it.  As well as a couple of posters on the B1G board that are NOT bamajoe.
Doesn't matter a lick.  A win's a win. But the people whose egos (or corporate agendas) are tied up in believing that Texas had no business beating Georgia, are already cranking up the excuse machine.  Same as it ever was.

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #41 on: January 02, 2019, 01:23:10 PM »
Tribalism.

Tribes have to get their excuses straight to validate their beliefs.

Whatever happened to independent, critical thinking?

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #42 on: January 02, 2019, 02:15:44 PM »
Tribalism.

Tribes have to get their excuses straight to validate their beliefs.

Whatever happened to independent, critical thinking?
In all of human history, most independent, critical thinkers who expressed their independent, critical thoughts have met unhappy ends.

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #43 on: January 02, 2019, 02:57:40 PM »
In all of human history, most independent, critical thinkers who expressed their independent, critical thoughts have met unhappy ends.
except for John Adams and of course John Wayne 
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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #44 on: January 02, 2019, 03:00:56 PM »
OU faced the same dismissive SEC comments when they beat Bama in a similarly decisive way in the Sugar five years ago.  I guess they have to 'splain away any possible evidence that the SEC is not the be-all end-all.

Loved the UT fans shouting S-E-C at the end of the game yesterday.  Classic!

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« Reply #45 on: January 02, 2019, 03:09:06 PM »
OU faced the same dismissive SEC comments when they beat Bama in a similarly decisive way in the Sugar five years ago.  I guess they have to 'splain away any possible evidence that the SEC is not the be-all end-all.

Loved the UT fans shouting S-E-C at the end of the game yesterday.  Classic!
Just a simple matter of insecurity on display.  Sad, really.


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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #46 on: January 02, 2019, 03:26:33 PM »
You know....

I hate to admit it but Texas actually invented the S-E-C chant.  

I know that probably sounds like Texas hubris but it's true.  Way back when Arkansas elected to leave the SWC for the SEC, their football team (which had been good) had a very bad season.  And when Texas beat Arkansas, the Texas fans mocked the Hog fans with the chant of S-E-C, S-E-C.  As a matter of fact, nearly every fan base in the SWC did the same thing.  I'm just assuming Texas did it first because we're the smartest.

The next year, Arkansas' last in the SWC, they were a bit better so they used the S-E-C chant as payback when they won.

Don't believe me.  Here it is: http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21994162/history-fun-obnoxious-inescapable-sec-football-chant

From the article: Arkansas had several rivals in the Southwest Conference, but none chafed Hogs fans quite like Texas. A year earlier, Texas fans had mocked Arkansas with the "S-E-C!" chant as the Longhorns thumped the Razorbacks by 32 in Austin.

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #47 on: January 02, 2019, 04:13:54 PM »
You know....

I hate to admit it but Texas actually invented the S-E-C chant.  

I know that probably sounds like Texas hubris but it's true.  Way back when Arkansas elected to leave the SWC for the SEC, their football team (which had been good) had a very bad season.  And when Texas beat Arkansas, the Texas fans mocked the Hog fans with the chant of S-E-C, S-E-C.  As a matter of fact, nearly every fan base in the SWC did the same thing.  I'm just assuming Texas did it first because we're the smartest.

The next year, Arkansas' last in the SWC, they were a bit better so they used the S-E-C chant as payback when they won.

Don't believe me.  Here it is: http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21994162/history-fun-obnoxious-inescapable-sec-football-chant

From the article: Arkansas had several rivals in the Southwest Conference, but none chafed Hogs fans quite like Texas. A year earlier, Texas fans had mocked Arkansas with the "S-E-C!" chant as the Longhorns thumped the Razorbacks by 32 in Austin.
That was my freshman year at Texas-- 1990-- and I thoroughly enjoyed chanting SECSECSEC at the departing hogs as we walloped them 49-17 in Austin on their way out the door.
A smaller but just as dedicated crew of Longhorn fans delivered the mocking SECSECSEC chant to the Aggies in College Station when Texas beat them 27-25 and earned Eternal Scoreboard over the Ags.

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #48 on: January 03, 2019, 12:15:12 AM »
I've always wondered if Arkansas would consider coming to the Big 12?  They've never won the SEC in football despite playing for the title 4 times and really haven't had much success at all.  Their pipeline of recruits from Texas seemed to dry up when the Big 12 started up long ago.  I guess we don't have any resident Arkansas fans around to voice their opinion but I've often thought that Ark and ND should be the two teams to get the XII back to 12.  I doubt it would ever happen but it's intriguing.  I think if memory serves only two teams have ever left the SEC, GT and I think maybe Tulane or some smaller school like that.  

BTW:  Texas is lucky A&M left for the SEC when we did, I think we would have put 3-4 solid butt whoopings on Texas in the years that followed our departure from the XII.  It's a damn shame too, we deserved a little retribution on Texas for the '00s.  

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #49 on: January 03, 2019, 01:47:25 AM »
That’s like just your opinion, man.

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« Reply #50 on: January 03, 2019, 08:59:02 AM »
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I've always wondered if Arkansas would consider coming to the Big 12?  They've never won the SEC in football despite playing for the title 4 times and really haven't had much success at all.  Their pipeline of recruits from Texas seemed to dry up when the Big 12 started up long ago.  I guess we don't have any resident Arkansas fans around to voice their opinion but I've often thought that Ark and ND should be the two teams to get the XII back to 12.  I doubt it would ever happen but it's intriguing.  I think if memory serves only two teams have ever left the SEC, GT and I think maybe Tulane or some smaller school like that.  

BTW:  Texas is lucky A&M left for the SEC when we did, I think we would have put 3-4 solid butt whoopings on Texas in the years that followed our departure from the XII.  It's a damn shame too, we deserved a little retribution on Texas for the '00s.  
I guess we'll never know.  It was your "100-year decision" so it's you that will have to live with it.

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #51 on: January 03, 2019, 04:36:49 PM »
That’s like just your opinion, man.
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You’ve got to admit that the 00s were good to Texas. And the dip that followed seems to be relatively short if Herman has them playing as good next year as they were late this year. 

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #52 on: January 03, 2019, 05:05:27 PM »
I never said that. I said that the underdog wins sometimes which is an absolute fact. It happened here. I don't know why that is controversial. Don't accuse me of saying something I didn't say.


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« Reply #53 on: January 03, 2019, 05:50:11 PM »
I never said that. I said that the underdog wins sometimes which is an absolute fact. It happened here. I don't know why that is controversial. Don't accuse me of saying something I didn't say.


Your retort would be a tad stronger if you would maybe reference which one of us you're talking to and what we said you said that you're taking umbrage to.
As it is, Gig'em, Junior and I are talking about A&M's move to the SEC and you're standing to the side claiming you never said that and we're like WTF?  Who was even talking to him?

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« Reply #54 on: January 03, 2019, 05:59:26 PM »
Sorry. I was responding to the post about the Georgia didn't want to be there excuse. I was credited with having made that representation.

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« Reply #55 on: January 03, 2019, 06:26:55 PM »
Sorry. I was responding to the post about the Georgia didn't want to be there excuse. I was credited with having made that representation.
Oh that was me.   I’m your huckleberry.
So Junior (utee94) was lamenting that certain groups of folks were not giving Texas props for beating Georgia and I retorted that those were only the folks at texags and “maybe” (I did say “maybe”) you.
Why you?  Why did I drag you into this?  I’ll tell you why.
Over on the SEC forum CD posted his predictions about the SEC bowl season and you added your opinions as well.  And, bamajoe, you did badly.  Like 3-7.  Stay away from Vegas, amigo.
But one thing that particularly galled me was you saying something like “31-28?  Ha!  Texas ain’t got 5 players who could start for Georgia. That’d be more like 45-21.”
Then there was the whole Sugar Bowl is a disgrace thread because you imagined Texas wasn’t near as worthy or competitive as Michigan or Penn State.
With unnecessarily ignorant and demeaning comments like that you struck me as just exactly the kind of dickhead who might make excuses for Georgia’s loss.
But if I got you wrong and you’re not THAT kind of dickhead, then I sincerely apologize.

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« Reply #56 on: January 03, 2019, 08:15:52 PM »
Your retort would be a tad stronger if you would maybe reference which one of us you're talking to and what we said you said that you're taking umbrage to.
As it is, Gig'em, Junior and I are talking about A&M's move to the SEC and you're standing to the side claiming you never said that and we're like WTF?  Who was even talking to him?
I thought we were over A&M's move to the SEC and talking about Arkansas return to the SWC 12?  

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #57 on: January 03, 2019, 10:47:32 PM »
I wish our tertiary rival would come back.  First 22 years of my life they were more competitive than our secondary rival so I thought they were our secondary rival.

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« Reply #58 on: January 03, 2019, 11:10:52 PM »
Lots of folks in Longhornland always considered Arkansas to be a bigger rival than A&M.  

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