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Topic: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1

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2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« on: December 05, 2018, 10:36:32 AM »
this should be linked between both the sec and bigxii boards, so no need to cross over for discussion. edit: ok, only way i could get it to work (for now) is to move and link, so here we are. put on bigxii board since there'e more traffic here. if you bigxii-ers don't want it here, i'll move it back.

i'll be updating this thread (both in thread and in first post) as the month progresses. i'll try to keep it updated with articles and info and whatnot. feel free to discuss.

Alabama 13-0 SEC Champs
  • Starting Lineups:

  • Offense:
  • QB – Tagovailoa (so)
  • RB – D. Harris (sr)
  • WR – Jeudy (so), Smith (so), Ruggs (so)
  • TE – Smith (jr)
  • OL – Williams (jr), Brown (so), Pierschbacher (sr), Wills (so), Leatherwood (so)

  • Other players to be aware of:
  • QB - Hurts, RB – Jacobs, N. Harris, WR – Waddle, Kief, Diggs, TE – Hentges, OL – Cotton



  • Defense:
  • DL – Buggs, Q. Williams, Davis
  • LB – Wilson, Moses, Jennings
  • DB – Thompson, McKinney, Smith, Surtain, Carter
  • Others to be aware of:
  • LB – Miller, DL – Ray, Mathis, DB - Anderson
  • Coaching carousel info: OC Locksley hired as HC Maryland (should be sticking around for playoffs)
  • Injuries: QB Tagovailoa (ankle, probable)
  • Awards:


Oklahoma 12-1 BIGXII Champs
  • Starting Lineups:
  • Offense:
  • QB - Kyler Murray
  • RB - Trey Sermon and/or Kennedy Brooks
  • FB/HB - Carson Meier
  • X - CeeDee Lamb
  • Y - Grant Calcaterra
  • Z - Marquise Brown
  • LT - Bobby Evans
  • LG - Ben Powers
  • C - Creed Humphrey
  • RG - Dru Samia
  • RT - Cody Ford
  • Defense: Lots of shuffling, injuries
  • NG - Neville Gallimore
  • DE - Armani Bledsoe
  • DE - Kenneth Mann
  • JACK - Ronnie Perkins
  • MLB - Kenneth Murray
  • WLB - Curtis Bolton
  • SLB - Caleb Kelley
  • CB - Tre Norwood, Parnell Motley
  • S - Tre Brown, Robert Barnes
  • Coaching carousel info: DC Stoops (fired midseason, looking for replacement)
  • Injuries: WR Brown
  • Awards:

Orange Bowl Info
  • Officiating Crew:
  • December 29, 2018 - 7PM (central)
  • TV Viewing: ESPN
  • Chris Fowler and Kirk Herbstreit Call CFP Semifinal at Capital One Orange Bowl; Laura Rutledge Reports on Sooners; Maria Taylor on Alabama
     
    Chris Fowler and Kirk Herbstreit will call the CFP Semifinal at the Orange Bowl, the duo’s fifth semifinal together and the only play-by-play commentator and analyst to call a CFP Semifinal in each of the five years of the system. Laura Rutledge and Maria Taylor will be the reporters, with Rutledge assigned to the Sooners and Taylor to the Crimson Tide. For the versatile commentators, it is their second consecutive year working a CFP Semifinal.

Alabama vs Oklahoma - Prior Match ups
  • Oklahoma leads series, 3-1-1
  • Oklahoma is on a 3 game win streak
  • 1963 Orange Bowl - Alabama 17, Oklahoma 0
  • 1970 Bluebonnet Bowl - Alabama 24, Oklahoma 24 (tie)
  • 2002 Norman, OK - Oklahoma 37, Alabama 27
  • 2003 Tuscaloosa, AL - Oklahoma 20, Alabama 13
  • 2014 Sugar Bowl - Oklahoma 45, Alabama 31

Other Info
  • Betting lines: (opening line - Alabama -14.5) Current line - Alabama -14
  • Over/Under: (opening - 79.5) current - 79.5

again, i'll update as the info comes in and as i can find time. if anyone wants to fill in some of the blanks or has more/better info to drop, let me know and i'll update it.

this thread is also for discussion and some banter, so have at it.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2018, 10:44:07 AM by rolltidefan »



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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2018, 10:45:19 AM »
I was sitting beside a Bama fan at the CG who seemed to know what he talked about, and we agreed that OU would be a serious test for Bama for obvious reasons.

This COULD be a blowout or a near mirror of last year's Rose Bowl, which is more what I expect.

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2018, 11:22:29 AM »

I appreciate hype as much as the next guy, but this is going to be a butt whipping of biblical proportions.

Kyler will likely take himself out by the 3rd Qtr.  Alabama will average 12 yards per carry.

I say biblical, but the outcome will be very unbiblical.  Goliath is going to hammerhead David straight into the ground.  In quick time.

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2018, 11:40:27 AM »
not sure i buy that. kyler has both of attributes of bama's qb kryptonite - mobility and pinpoint accuracy.

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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2018, 11:42:55 AM »
not sure i buy that. kyler has both of attributes of bama's qb kryptonite - mobility and pinpoint accuracy.

You Bama guys just like to build up the opponent's expectations so it makes the impending humiliation that much sweeter.

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2018, 03:28:48 PM »
Biblical proportions - lol.  What is the exact image there BC?  Since we're talking about the Tide, you could have Saban as Noah on the Arc, as the rising Bama Tide drowns us poor Sooners, as our schooners get submerged and disappear.

Or ...

You could have Saban parting the Red CFP Sea, and the Sooners as Romans in our schooners getting drowned (again) by the Tide

Or ...

You could have Saban as God evicting poor naked Sooners from the garden of the CFP into the wilderness

Or ...

I dunno, but I'd love to see whatchagot in that caveman head of yours re: images of biblical Bama proportions

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2018, 03:51:38 PM »

The term "biblical" is used to stimulate your own imagination and develop your own image.  You did very well, I must say.

What's in my caveman head?  Food, fire, and sex.  Like any caveman.  Geez..

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2018, 04:10:56 PM »
Chris Fowler and Kirk Herbstreit Call CFP Semifinal at Capital One Orange Bowl; Laura Rutledge Reports on Sooners; Maria Taylor on Alabama
 
Chris Fowler and Kirk Herbstreit will call the CFP Semifinal at the Orange Bowl, the duo’s fifth semifinal together and the only play-by-play commentator and analyst to call a CFP Semifinal in each of the five years of the system. Laura Rutledge and Maria Taylor will be the reporters, with Rutledge assigned to the Sooners and Taylor to the Crimson Tide. For the versatile commentators, it is their second consecutive year working a CFP Semifinal.

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2018, 07:31:52 PM »
  • Alabama Orange Bowl Record 4-4
  • W 37–21         1942    Boston
  • W 61–6           1952    Syracuse
  • W 17–0           1962    Oklahoma     
  • L 17-21            1964    Texas 
  • W 39–28         1965    Nebraska
  • L 6-38             1971    Nebraska        
  • L 11–13           1974    Notre Dame    
  • L 34–35           1999    Michigan       
  • Oklahoma Orange Bowl Record 12-7
  • L 0–17             1938    Tennessee      
  • W 7–0             1953    Maryland        
  • W 20–6           1955    Maryland        
  • W 48–21         1957    Duke  
  • W 21–6           1958    Syracuse        
  • L 0–17             1962    Alabama        
  • W 26–24         1967    Tennessee      
  • W 14–6           1975    Michigan        
  • L 6–31             1977    Arkansas        
  • W 31–24         1978    Nebraska        
  • W 24–7           1979    Florida State  
  • W 18–17         1980    Florida State  
  • L 17–28           1984    Washington    
  • W 25–10         1985    Penn State      
  • W 42–8           1986    Arkansas        
  • L 14–20           1987    Miami
  • W 13–2           2000    Florida State  
  • L 19–55           2004    USC    
  • L 17–37           2015    Clemson          

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2018, 09:16:57 AM »
Go Alabama !

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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2018, 05:36:28 PM »
Has OU had more OB appearances than any other team?


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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2018, 06:04:22 PM »
Has OU had more OB appearances than any other team?


Yes with 20 appearances
Nebraska is next with 17
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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2018, 06:58:56 PM »
Which team has been to which bowl more than any other team has been to any bowl game?

OU might be it?

Any chance I might come visit Austin, not to stay, just to visit, when the Dawgs play out there?  If I'm still kicking?

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Re: 2018 ORANGE BOWL #1 Alabama vs #4 Oklahoma CFP rd 1
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2018, 07:09:08 PM »
Which team has been to which bowl more than any other team has been to any bowl game?

OU might be it?

Any chance I might come visit Austin, not to stay, just to visit, when the Dawgs play out there?  If I'm still kicking?
USC has 34 Rose Bowl appearances
I dont find any higher bowl appearance number
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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2018, 08:57:35 PM »
Which team has been to which bowl more than any other team has been to any bowl game?

OU might be it?

Any chance I might come visit Austin, not to stay, just to visit, when the Dawgs play out there?  If I'm still kicking?
Plz do.  We’ll introduce you to bbq better than Bill Millers.  And I’ll let you drive whatever kind of Ford I’m driving then.  Probably a truck.  I hear they (and everybody else) won’t be building cars anymore in a few years.

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« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2018, 08:58:27 PM »
PS TX had bout 22 Cotton Bowl appearances

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« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2018, 11:25:11 PM »
Congrats to Kyler for the Heisman

And

Condolences and shared sorrow with my fellow Sooners for guaranteeing a loss in the semifinal. 

Oh well, there’s always next ... decade

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« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2018, 10:26:06 AM »
this should be linked between both the sec and bigxii boards, so no need to cross over for discussion. edit: ok, only way i could get it to work (for now) is to move and link, so here we are. put on bigxii board since there'e more traffic here. if you bigxii-ers don't want it here, i'll move it back.

i'll be updating this thread (both in thread and in first post) as the month progresses. i'll try to keep it updated with articles and info and whatnot. feel free to discuss.

Alabama 13-0 SEC Champs
  • Starting Lineups:

  • Offense:
  • QB – Tagovailoa (so)
  • RB – D. Harris (sr)
  • WR – Jeudy (so), Smith (so), Ruggs (so)
  • TE – Smith (jr)
  • OL – Williams (jr), Brown (so), Pierschbacher (sr), Wills (so), Leatherwood (so)

  • Other players to be aware of:
  • QB - Hurts, RB – Jacobs, N. Harris, WR – Waddle, Kief, Diggs, TE – Hentges, OL – Cotton



  • Defense:
  • DL – Buggs, Q. Williams, Davis
  • LB – Wilson, Moses, Jennings
  • DB – Thompson, McKinney, Smith, Surtain, Carter
  • Others to be aware of:
  • LB – Miller, DL – Ray, Mathis, DB - Anderson
  • Coaching carousel info: OC Locksley hired as HC Maryland (should be sticking around for playoffs)
  • Injuries: QB Tagovailoa (ankle, probable)
  • Awards:


Oklahoma 12-1 BIGXII Champs
  • Starting Lineups:
  • Offense:
  • QB - Kyler Murray
  • RB - Trey Sermon and/or Kennedy Brooks
  • FB/HB - Carson Meier
  • X - CeeDee Lamb
  • Y - Grant Calcaterra
  • Z - Marquise Brown
  • LT - Bobby Evans
  • LG - Ben Powers
  • C - Creed Humphrey
  • RG - Dru Samia
  • RT - Cody Ford
  • Defense: Lots of shuffling, injuries
  • NG - Neville Gallimore
  • DE - Armani Bledsoe
  • DE - Kenneth Mann
  • JACK - Ronnie Perkins
  • MLB - Kenneth Murray
  • WLB - Curtis Bolton
  • SLB - Caleb Kelley
  • CB - Tre Norwood, Parnell Motley
  • S - Tre Brown, Robert Barnes
  • Coaching carousel info: DC Stoops (fired midseason, looking for replacement)
  • Injuries: too many to mention
  • Awards: ditto

Orange Bowl Info
  • Officiating Crew:
  • December 29, 2018 - 7PM (central)
  • TV Viewing: ESPN
  • Chris Fowler and Kirk Herbstreit Call CFP Semifinal at Capital One Orange Bowl; Laura Rutledge Reports on Sooners; Maria Taylor on Alabama
     
    Chris Fowler and Kirk Herbstreit will call the CFP Semifinal at the Orange Bowl, the duo’s fifth semifinal together and the only play-by-play commentator and analyst to call a CFP Semifinal in each of the five years of the system. Laura Rutledge and Maria Taylor will be the reporters, with Rutledge assigned to the Sooners and Taylor to the Crimson Tide. For the versatile commentators, it is their second consecutive year working a CFP Semifinal.

Alabama vs Oklahoma - Prior Match ups
  • Oklahoma leads series, 3-1-1
  • Oklahoma is on a 3 game win streak
  • 1963 Orange Bowl - Alabama 17, Oklahoma 0
  • 1970 Bluebonnet Bowl - Alabama 24, Oklahoma 24 (tie)
  • 2002 Norman, OK - Oklahoma 37, Alabama 27
  • 2003 Tuscaloosa, AL - Oklahoma 20, Alabama 13
  • 2014 Sugar Bowl - Oklahoma 45, Alabama 31

Other Info
  • Betting lines: (opening line - Alabama -14.5) Current line - Alabama -14
  • Over/Under: (opening - 79.5) current - 79.5

again, i'll update as the info comes in and as i can find time. if anyone wants to fill in some of the blanks or has more/better info to drop, let me know and i'll update it.

this thread is also for discussion and some banter, so have at it.

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« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2018, 10:48:06 AM »
I filled in OU's starting lineup based on the CG.  Offensively, the lineup is pretty set. Defensively, it all depends on the scheme.  The hybrid 4-3 listed is what I think they will start with.

Coaching carousel:  I think there is a 50-50 shot OU gets Bama's co-DC, Pete Golding.  There was some flirting early which was called off once it looked like the teams might face each other.  It is no secret that Golding is Lincoln Riley's first choice.

The offensive lines are 2 of the 3 finalists for the Joe Moore OL award, the 3rd being Georgia.

As far as the game, OU's only chance is for Bama to beat themselves with penalties, turnovers, etc.  

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« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2018, 12:50:03 PM »
Sorry Thumper my good fellow Sooner friend but the Heisman curse has been cast and there’s nothing OU can do about but await the impending loss.

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« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2018, 01:47:04 PM »
sorry Fred but your phony now were gonna lose cause of the Heisman curse just wont wash

The Heisman winners team also won the NC 14 times in the past

https://www.heisman.com/articles/heisman-and-national-champion/

just forget about why your gonna lose and start thinking about all those folks 

that will be eating crow when OU wins
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« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2018, 02:15:24 PM »
II don’t see OU on your list, so my agony-in-advance stands

In recent years:

2000: Weinke wins Heisman, with Heupel in 2nd.  FSU doesn’t have an offensive score as OU wins the NC over Weinke’s FSU

2003: Jasón White wins the Heisman, OU loses the MNC to LSU 21-14

2008: Sam Bradford wins the Heisman, OU loses the MNC to UF 24-14

2017: Baker Mayfield wins the Heisman, OU loses the semifinal to UGA in OT

Four examples concerning OU, with no counter examples, this century

I’d love to “eat crow” on this but my guess is that you will instead 320

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« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2018, 02:54:21 PM »
II don’t see OU on your list, so my agony-in-advance stands

In recent years:

2000: Weinke wins Heisman, with Heupel in 2nd.  FSU doesn’t have an offensive score as OU wins the NC over Weinke’s FSU

2003: Jasón White wins the Heisman, OU loses the MNC to LSU 21-14

2008: Sam Bradford wins the Heisman, OU loses the MNC to UF 24-14

2017: Baker Mayfield wins the Heisman, OU loses the semifinal to UGA in OT

Four examples concerning OU, with no counter examples, this century

I’d love to “eat crow” on this but my guess is that you will instead 320
no crow eating here
I never predicted an OU win
you on the other hand are predicting an OU defeat
lets just hope the sooner players dont have a similar belief
there is no reason OU cant win against bama
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« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2018, 11:25:27 PM »
I’ll be the happiest one to have this year’s OU slay the Heisman curse, believe me.  It would be mighty tasty crow to dine on 

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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2018, 09:32:04 AM »
Ohio State belongs on this list also.

Heisman winner, lost to Florida.

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« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2018, 09:59:01 AM »
I’ll be the happiest one to have this year’s OU slay the Heisman curse, believe me.  It would be mighty tasty crow to dine on
well perhaps the most important thing to remember is that when you play Alabama its not the actual NC game
so the curse if there is one doesnt apply
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« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2018, 10:56:13 AM »
Nor would OU's game in the Rose Bowl last year, but they still lost.

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« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2018, 11:25:08 AM »
Nor would OU's game in the Rose Bowl last year, but they still lost.


In the total history of the Heisman the Heisman winners team has gone 28 and 28 in their bowl game
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisman_curse

Also of note is that Billy Sims OU team won their bowl game in 1978
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« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2018, 01:41:45 PM »
Yay Billy Sims!  That was the second time we played Nebraska that year, losing the first, winning the second, like vs Texas this year.  I hear that Billy was his typical larger than life self at the ceremony in NYC; maybe his Sooner Magic can rub off on Kyler:

https://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/ousportsextra/heisman-notebook-kyler-murray-enjoys-everything-about-once-in-a/article_c02e9bb6-27c0-5819-b580-2253d73e8cde.html

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« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2018, 05:15:19 PM »
the 78 Sooner team with Sims and Lott was awesome

Osborne hasn't figured out how he beat them in Lincoln or how he hung that close in Miami later

Barry stated that was his best team ever or at least his best offensive team
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