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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2019, 08:42:24 PM »
This is the climate we're in - can't acknowledge being wrong, just have to blindly double down.  Ugh.





I was thinking about Texas' season earlier today.  Man, big-time college football is HARD.  You can beat OU, a team with perhaps the best offense ever, and Georgia...and still lose 4 games.  It's tough.
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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2019, 09:30:59 PM »
This is the climate we're in - can't acknowledge being wrong, just have to blindly double down.  Ugh.





I was thinking about Texas' season earlier today.  Man, big-time college football is HARD.  You can beat OU, a team with perhaps the best offense ever, and Georgia...and still lose 4 games.  It's tough.
The Horns are a team that "grew up" as the season progressed
our 2004 team was very much like that and won the NC in 2005
Not saying we win the NC next year but I think we'll be a top 10 team
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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #32 on: January 02, 2019, 09:34:50 PM »
Every game is a contest where either team can win. Texas won that one. Congratulations. Purdue beat Ohio State. Things happen in college football. That's why it is so great.  It doesn't change the dynamic that a four loss team should never be in the Sugar Bowl, the Orange Bowl or the Rose Bowl.
we came in 2nd in the Big 12
Youve heard of the Big12 havent you bamajoe
they are the conference that took 3 out of 4 bowl games from the sec this year
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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2019, 10:47:48 AM »
This is the climate we're in - can't acknowledge being wrong, just have to blindly double down.  Ugh.





I was thinking about Texas' season earlier today.  Man, big-time college football is HARD.  You can beat OU, a team with perhaps the best offense ever, and Georgia...and still lose 4 games.  It's tough.
No doubt.  And with all of the factors contributing to more parity in the sport, winning is only getting harder.  Except for Alabama I guess.  They're just so consistently flipping good.  It's truly remarkable.
One thing I'll say about Texas' "4 losses" is that it's really a result of the stupid B12 CCG.  Texas already played all 9 conference opponents in a full roundrobin, so the additional loss from the CCG is sort of double-counting.  Without that stupid and unnecessary CCG, Texas is 9-3 and headed to the Sugar Bowl.  Still perhaps not a "worthy" loss total for a major bowl game, but not completely un-respectable.  Just my opinion of course.

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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2019, 12:55:45 PM »
No doubt.  And with all of the factors contributing to more parity in the sport, winning is only getting harder.  Except for Alabama I guess.  They're just so consistently flipping good.  It's truly remarkable.
One thing I'll say about Texas' "4 losses" is that it's really a result of the stupid B12 CCG.  Texas already played all 9 conference opponents in a full roundrobin, so the additional loss from the CCG is sort of double-counting.  Without that stupid and unnecessary CCG, Texas is 9-3 and headed to the Sugar Bowl.  Still perhaps not a "worthy" loss total for a major bowl game, but not completely un-respectable.  Just my opinion of course.
we keep saying that there's more parity, but we're not seeing it in reality. there's been a lot of things implemented to increase parity, like scholly limits, but after going back and looking at some data, those look like they might have actually increased the separation.
i don't have the stats in front of me, but i posted some on the old cfn board, using the bobs website, that showed over the last 4-5 decades, the win % of the have vs have not is actually increasing, not decreasing. contra to what most believe to be the case.
also did a quick study on the last time we had a first time national champ (ap/coaches polls) - 1996 uf. and looked at when we had first time champs throughout history. i thought there'd be a bunch early on, early 30's-40's. but what i found was they came in groups of 10+/- every other decade or so. we'd go a decade with a new winner every year or so, then a decade of no new ones, then a decade of new ones, etc. until the scholly limits hit in 70s and then again in early 90's. maybe it's coincidence, but there were abrupt stops to new winners after they reduced scholarships each time. part of that is because the field of potential new winners grows smaller with each new winner, and thus less likely.
i'm hopeful the bobs gets his data set up again so i can run some numbers again, but i found that interesting.

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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2019, 12:59:33 PM »
we keep saying that there's more parity, but we're not seeing it in reality. there's been a lot of things implemented to increase parity, like scholly limits, but after going back and looking at some data, those look like they might have actually increased the separation.
i don't have the stats in front of me, but i posted some on the old cfn board, using the bobs website, that showed over the last 4-5 decades, the win % of the have vs have not is actually increasing, not decreasing. contra to what most believe to be the case.
also did a quick study on the last time we had a first time national champ (ap/coaches polls) - 1996 uf. and looked at when we had first time champs throughout history. i thought there'd be a bunch early on, early 30's-40's. but what i found was they came in groups of 10+/- every other decade or so. we'd go a decade with a new winner every year or so, then a decade of no new ones, then a decade of new ones, etc. until the scholly limits hit in 70s and then again in early 90's. maybe it's coincidence, but there were abrupt stops to new winners after they reduced scholarships each time. part of that is because the field of potential new winners grows smaller with each new winner, and thus less likely.
i'm hopeful the bobs gets his data set up again so i can run some numbers again, but i found that interesting.
Who are you defining as "haves" and "have nots?"
If you're talking about disparity between G5 and P5, well sure.
Within P5 conferences, I'd be surprised if we're not seeing traditional bottom feeders have more success than their historical norms, and seeing traditional powers struggle a bit more, too.
Alabama over the past decade is of course an outlier.

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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2019, 02:48:17 PM »
i'm pretty sure the one on cfn was p5 vs g5. people were using boise, tcu, utah, etc. as proof that they're "catching up" and i was pointing out that a couple teams being good =/= the whole parity.

i looked a little at p5 only teams, but i don't remember it being obvious slanted one way or the other. the 'haves' would have been the top 20 +/- in wins/win%.

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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2019, 11:52:28 PM »
we keep saying that there's more parity, but we're not seeing it in reality. there's been a lot of things implemented to increase parity, like scholly limits, but after going back and looking at some data, those look like they might have actually increased the separation.
i don't have the stats in front of me, but i posted some on the old cfn board, using the bobs website, that showed over the last 4-5 decades, the win % of the have vs have not is actually increasing, not decreasing. contra to what most believe to be the case.
also did a quick study on the last time we had a first time national champ (ap/coaches polls) - 1996 uf. and looked at when we had first time champs throughout history. i thought there'd be a bunch early on, early 30's-40's. but what i found was they came in groups of 10+/- every other decade or so. we'd go a decade with a new winner every year or so, then a decade of no new ones, then a decade of new ones, etc. until the scholly limits hit in 70s and then again in early 90's. maybe it's coincidence, but there were abrupt stops to new winners after they reduced scholarships each time. part of that is because the field of potential new winners grows smaller with each new winner, and thus less likely.
i'm hopeful the bobs gets his data set up again so i can run some numbers again, but i found that interesting.
Well that pattern couldn't go on forever, there's a (relatively) finite number of P5 teams.....
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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2019, 10:51:23 AM »
right, and i said as much. the field of potential new winners gets smaller with each new winner.

was still interesting to me that they came in groups rather than seemingly random.

and it could be coincidence with the correlation of scholly limits and the last first time winner, but it's there.

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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2019, 01:14:43 PM »
Athlon already posted a next year top 25 (for clicks).  The usual suspects.


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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2019, 08:10:31 PM »
Their blurb on Florida is off.  The defense will be fine, losing 4 guys on the OL will really hurt.  Hopefully it won't be crippling.  
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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2019, 12:59:03 PM »
Every game is a contest where either team can win. Texas won that one. Congratulations. Purdue beat Ohio State. Things happen in college football. That's why it is so great.  It doesn't change the dynamic that a four loss team should never be in the Sugar Bowl, the Orange Bowl or the Rose Bowl.
is that all you got
but I guess thats understandable considering the sec won 5 and lost 6 bowl games against P5
teams this year
and also begs the question why did the 2nd place sec team lose to a 4 loss team
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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2019, 11:55:01 PM »
I could chime in here......but I'll pass.
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