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bamajoe

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Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« on: December 04, 2018, 11:28:41 AM »
Has the Sugar Bowl ever had a four loss team in it before? I am not arbitrarily beating on Texas, but with four losses they should be in the Liberty Bowl or Gator Bowl. Doubly bad they take one of our two best teams and deny us a competitive game against a Michigan or Penn State. It's a shame. 
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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2018, 11:45:20 AM »
Thoughts like that will get you a L. 

Remember, there are two extra slots for elite teams with the CFP. 

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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2018, 01:32:59 PM »
we sent a 3 loss (eventual 4 loss) au team last year. EDIT: they were a 4 loss (eventual 5 loss) au team, and it was 2016, not last year.

nature of the beast when you have tie ins and they can't select best available.
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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2018, 03:34:25 PM »
Was a two loss Michigan team not available? How about a three loss Penn State team? What about Washington State? Maybe Texas was the best we could get.

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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2018, 03:43:48 PM »
The Sugar is contractually obligated to take SEC & Big 12 teams.  Texas & Georgia were the top teams from those conferences not in the playoffs.  No other options.

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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2018, 03:54:03 PM »
Thanks, I did not know that. Thanks. That explains it.

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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2018, 03:56:48 PM »
Yup, the contract was a bit weird this year, and really no one available looks to be that much better on the surface, maybe Michigan.


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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2018, 12:22:24 PM »
Has the Sugar Bowl ever had a four loss team in it before? I am not arbitrarily beating on Texas, but with four losses they should be in the Liberty Bowl or Gator Bowl. Doubly bad they take one of our two best teams and deny us a competitive game against a Michigan or Penn State. It's a shame.
I couldnt agree more
While I like the honor I dont like the coming humiliation 
I just hope we dont get shutout 
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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2018, 12:43:49 AM »
Texas is really good.  The Horns' defense might be relieved to face a straight-up "normal" offense for once, too.  
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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2018, 09:13:35 AM »
Tom Herman does a very good job at preparing his team for bowls but the dogs just have too many horses

In short I think their bench is much better then the Horns and this game at best will be lost in the 2nd half

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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2018, 01:00:07 PM »
UGA does run a pretty vanilla offense, or at least one that looks like it, balance and all that.  The key is stopping the run, duh, though Bama pretty much did that in the CG, they just couldn't stop Fromm, especially on 3rd down.

Fromm is generally accurate and the WRs are pretty decent.  Swift and Holyfield are the two primary running backs, and both can be effective.  Oddly enough, Swift is faster and can plant and turn adeptly.

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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2018, 05:17:58 PM »
And I think when the Sugar had Hawai'i or Cincinnati, teams like that, even with sterling records, it was way lamer than a 4-loss Texas team.
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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2018, 08:50:07 PM »
So you think Texas with four losses would be better than Central Florida? Central Florida is what Hawaii was ten years ago or Boise 7-8 years ago. I disagree. Because Texas has a helmet name to me doesn't mean a thing. They are not very good.

FWIW I hate it that Florida drew an opponent that they have no chance against. Again it's a four loss team against a two loss Michigan. To me it would have made infinitely more sense to match Georgia and Michigan and then Florida and Texas. We would have had two much more competitive games. I do understand why we can't.

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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2018, 07:41:27 AM »
The NY6 "contracts" basically prevent us from having better match ups, obviously.  When UGA played Hawaii in the SB, a very good USC team was available and played, and crushed, a mediocre Illinois squad.  Cincinnati I believe played in the Orange, not Sugar, back when.

I think UCF is a very dangerous team, like an Oklahoma but with faster play.  They could well beat LSU.

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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2018, 09:11:07 AM »
So you think Texas with four losses would be better than Central Florida? Central Florida is what Hawaii was ten years ago or Boise 7-8 years ago. I disagree. Because Texas has a helmet name to me doesn't mean a thing. They are not very good.

FWIW I hate it that Florida drew an opponent that they have no chance against. Again it's a four loss team against a two loss Michigan. To me it would have made infinitely more sense to match Georgia and Michigan and then Florida and Texas. We would have had two much more competitive games. I do understand why we can't.
A - Florida has 3 losses
B - Florida and Texas are underdogs, they don't have "no chance"
C - Yes, UCF is the flash-in-the-pan G5 team of the moment.  Hooray!  Yawn.  It'll be someone else in 2 years.  Thus, 30 years down the road, it will sound better to say "We beat Texas in the Sugar Bowl that year" than "We beat that directional school in the Sugar" - because the particulars would have faded over time.
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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2018, 09:12:00 AM »
The NY6 "contracts" basically prevent us from having better match ups, obviously.  When UGA played Hawaii in the SB, a very good USC team was available and played, and crushed, a mediocre Illinois squad.  Cincinnati I believe played in the Orange, not Sugar, back when.

I think UCF is a very dangerous team, like an Oklahoma but with faster play.  They could well beat LSU.
Cincinnati played in the 2010 Sugar Bowl vs Florida (2009 season).
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« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2018, 09:13:24 AM »
I did find it odd when the Big XII agreed to send their champ to the Sugar...pairing us off with them a la the Rose with the B10 and PAC.
But then the playoff happened shortly after, and so I guess I thought, well that agreement didn't last long...yet here we are, sort of with the remnant of the agreement showing this year.



I, too, would have liked to see UGA vs Michigan.  
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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2018, 09:59:33 AM »
That 2010 Sugar Bowl was so "memorable" that I forgot all about it.

Some rumors Harbaugh wants to return to the League.

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« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2018, 03:50:54 PM »
A - Florida has 3 losses
B - Florida and Texas are underdogs, they don't have "no chance"
C - Yes, UCF is the flash-in-the-pan G5 team of the moment.  Hooray!  Yawn.  It'll be someone else in 2 years.  Thus, 30 years down the road, it will sound better to say "We beat Texas in the Sugar Bowl that year" than "We beat that directional school in the Sugar" - because the particulars would have faded over time.
tbh, i don't care all that much what it'll look like in 20-30 years. i want the best match-ups today so we can enjoy them while we watch them. and i'll remember boise's crazy upset over ou much more than the sugar and rose that year, despite their match-ups being traditional.
having said that, i have no issues with texas being in the sugar. imo, texas is a good team. the played a cfp team twice, winning once and tacking them tied through 3 qtrs the other time.

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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2018, 04:24:11 PM »
Of teams UGA has played, Texas is close to equal to all of them, at least, save one, I suspect.  They might well be a notch better than Florida and UK.

It's not as if the Dawgs can roll into town and expect to win easily.  Well, they CAN do that, but ...


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« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2019, 12:23:29 AM »
So whats the over/under on how many seconds this thread will last before its deleted

anyway nice game dogs

good luck next year
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« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2019, 12:26:26 AM »
I did find it odd when the Big XII agreed to send their champ to the Sugar...pairing us off with them a la the Rose with the B10 and PAC.
But then the playoff happened shortly after, and so I guess I thought, well that agreement didn't last long...yet here we are, sort of with the remnant of the agreement showing this year.



I, too, would have liked to see UGA vs Michigan.  
they would have lost that game too
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« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2019, 12:39:17 AM »
Actually, if UGA had played Michigan, no one would have won, because they were the 2 letdown teams this year.  Both lost their last games of the season with a trip to the playoff on the line.  I predicted both would have motivation problems and both did.  If they had played, the universe would have imploded.
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« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2019, 11:40:18 AM »
Has the Sugar Bowl ever had a four loss team in it before? I am not arbitrarily beating on Texas, but with four losses they should be in the Liberty Bowl or Gator Bowl. Doubly bad they take one of our two best teams and deny us a competitive game against a Michigan or Penn State. It's a shame.
Yeah, you're right.  It wasn't VERY competitive but Georgia made it close in the end thanks to a couple of Texas targeting penalties.

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« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2019, 11:41:38 AM »
Has the Sugar Bowl ever had a four loss team in it before? I am not arbitrarily beating on Texas, but with four losses they should be in the Liberty Bowl or Gator Bowl. Doubly bad they take one of our two best teams and deny us a competitive game against a Michigan or Penn State. It's a shame.
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« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2019, 11:43:27 AM »
Texas is really good.  The Horns' defense might be relieved to face a straight-up "normal" offense for once, too.  
OAM definitely nailed it here.  Georgia's offense played to Texas' strengths much  better than the more spread-based, mobile QB offenses of the B12.  Worked out well for the bowl game, but causes the Horns plenty of problems in-conference.
Anyway, condolences to CD (and any other Georgia fans around, are there any?) and best of luck next season!

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« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2019, 03:13:43 PM »
Georgia next year is going to be loaded.  They were very young this year and only a couple really key players are departing.


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« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2019, 03:33:14 PM »
Georgia next year is going to be loaded.  They were very young this year and only a couple really key players are departing.


Sounds pretty similar to Texas.  Perhaps our two teams will meet again, in the CFP. :)

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« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2019, 04:48:00 PM »
Works for me.  Ohio State could be a contenduh next year as well.

Loser Baker at corner will be a loss and Gailliard at center.

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Re: Sugar Bowl is a disgrace no
« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2019, 08:26:07 PM »
Every game is a contest where either team can win. Texas won that one. Congratulations. Purdue beat Ohio State. Things happen in college football. That's why it is so great.  It doesn't change the dynamic that a four loss team should never be in the Sugar Bowl, the Orange Bowl or the Rose Bowl.

 

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