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Topic: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition

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Drew4UTk

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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2018, 02:47:38 PM »
I don't know who the officials for the game are... I don't even know when they announce it or if they have.  i fear it will have impact, though, as crazy as some officiating we've seen this season... add to this the SEC lets a measure of PI the B1G and BigVII frown upon- the PAC seems to allow a measure of holding and are targeting happy... just the simple 'you ain't getting by with the way you've played all season long' will throw a wrench in some teams game plans.. 

saban is pulling a spurrier with this 'everyone look at the O look at the O!!!!' as his defense is just as nasty as they've always been. OU hasn't seen a defensive line like that one, nor LB's that drop in cover or come get your ass with a quickness- not to mention plug lanes, if any.  they can and will shut down much of what OU takes for granted.  i imagine especially so (think lock not bend-don't-break) if Hurts is under center in Tua's absence... they will want to run and control clock ala bama of last and previous season's... 

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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2018, 02:50:21 PM »
Hurts wasn't no slouch...I think he earned 2 MNC rings all by himself before Tua took over IIRC.  At least one that I know of (and yes I'm too lazy /don't care to look it up on google).  Tua IMO is a much better player but Hurts is a solid player and game manager just like 'Bama's other NC teams.  

Drew4UTk

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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2018, 02:52:08 PM »
This is a complete load of BS.  OU's penalty yards per game are in the middle of the Big 12 stats at 61 ypg, higher than ISU (39), KSU (37), KU (56) and just under Tex (67) and Tech (68).  Only OSU (71) and Baylor (78) have substantially more.  
In the first RRS game this year, OU had 73 yards in penalties vs Texas 43.  In the game Saturday, we had 60 yards penalties, which is about our season average.  Texas had a lot more, uncharacteristic for them.  So, the zebs favored Texas in Oct and us in Dec.  C'est la vie.  I'm not making penalty excuses for OU's loss back in Oct, and I doubt my Texas friends here will blame penalties for Dec's Texas loss.
Oh, and if you want to compare to the other CFP teams, here are the numbers Bama (48 ypg), ND (45), Clemson (46).  OU averages a full 15 yards penalized per game more often than the other three.  

by the way, @CousinFreddie , I'm yanking your chain more than anything.  OU is a pretty damn good team and regardless of the officiating in the BigVII this season, they didn't benefit anymore from it than their opponents... it was equally bad for all participants whether they were playing OU or not.  mucho of my posts are intent to trigger, and the rest serious thoughts on the matter... it's up to you to figure out which is which... you chose poorly in this instance. 

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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2018, 02:52:45 PM »
My thought on UGa also is that their playoff game was the SEC CG.  Win, them and Bama is both in.  Lose and they're out.  I think that's fair.  I hope they eventually extend the playoff to either 6 or 8 teams, make the first game home for the higher ranked team, and give the top two teams bye weeks.  

If this means reducing the regular season by at least one game so be it.  I'd rather have 10 solid games in a season rather than 6-8 good games and 2-4 "buy" games.  Time to end that.  I also think the NCAA should begin to funnel some money into the smaller divisions so that the smaller schools wouldn't have to prostitute themselves to the bigger league teams.  The way it's done now it's like an NFL team playing a HS team in some instances.  

I for one noticed the schedules have been much better when the BCS went away.  
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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2018, 02:55:11 PM »
The main question I have is Kyler Murray's performance under pressure?

Kyler plays with a handicap.  He doesn't want to get hurt.  Anyone can see it.  He slides 5 yards early.  He bolts for the sideline.

He ran a few times on Texas but he tries to contain that.  I expect he will want to run even less against Bama.  The kid's health is worth millions right now and he shows it.  Yet he is still that good.

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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2018, 03:00:31 PM »
by the way, @CousinFreddie , I'm yanking your chain more than anything.  OU is a pretty damn good team and regardless of the officiating in the BigVII this season, they didn't benefit anymore from it than their opponents...
Oh, okay, thanks for the clarifier.  I'll delete what I just wrote

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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2018, 03:04:03 PM »
OU has no defense and the Horns are Alamo Bowl ready.
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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2018, 03:05:47 PM »
Hurts wasn't no slouch...I think he earned 2 MNC rings all by himself before Tua took over IIRC.  At least one that I know of (and yes I'm too lazy /don't care to look it up on google).  Tua IMO is a much better player but Hurts is a solid player and game manager just like 'Bama's other NC teams.  
agreed... however, a good marshal which Saban is knows you work with what you have and what you can take.  
he has a stout D that can be relied on to keep them in every game against any opponent- this is where his dynasty starts- and it is based on linemen that could likely play on Sundays in their present form.
he has a running game behind brawny O line that can average three yards and a cloud of dust, ensuring first downs and clock management, and 'leaning' on opponents for the win..... as it is, this is a 'fallback'.  there isn't a team around they can't beat in this manner with the exception of Clemson and UGA... perhaps tOSU depending on which one of them you get that day.  this is something other teams wish they could do as a primary that Bama knows they can revert to if needed.  
with Hurts, he can throw adequately, hand it off as good as anyone, read a D decently, and he can run- dropping his shoulder if he chooses and taking LB's on.  with Tua, they can light up any square inch of the field at any given time- this stretches even the better D's out as they now have to rely on linemen to close lanes by themselves, or Safety's to pull up for that one or two split second 'read' time... they have an explosive team with Tua, and much more so than with 'just' Hurts.  that explosiveness is almost unfair, and the reason these guys are being called the end all be all this season.  
all of this equates to Bama setting the tone of games and letting their opponent beat themselves by falling into a deer in the headlights 'oh shit' and reverting to low percentage high yield plays- sometimes it works out; sometimes it doesn't.  UGA was able to match bama's offense components with their d components- not everyone can do that.  they have a roster that is in the same class as bama's, but not the depth.  clemson has the starting D to manage bama or OU, when they decide to use it for their 20~30 or so minutes a game.  OU has to face two fronts- the best D they've played all year, and the puzzle of defending against them.... all bama has to do is go to work.......
again, though, there is a long time to prepare, and Riley is a tactician just like Herman is- while Saban is a fundamentalist just like Smart is..... this makes for interesting 'one off' games where you can come at somebody, well rehearsed, with nothing seen before and absolutely favors the tactician.
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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2018, 03:17:27 PM »
My thought on UGa also is that their playoff game was the SEC CG.  Win, them and Bama is both in.  Lose and they're out.  I think that's fair. 
I don't.  Because I think Georgia is still one of the 4 best teams in the country and I think if we're going to have a 4 team playoff, you should put the 4 best teams in.  It isn't Georgia's fault that their last game before the bowl games/playoff games happened to be the #1 team in the country.  They are a "victim" (and I use that term very loosely) of circumstance.  


Ah well... Hopefully OU proves me wrong and knocks out the tide. 

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« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2018, 03:22:37 PM »
I don't.  Because I think Georgia is still one of the 4 best teams in the country and I think if we're going to have a 4 team playoff, you should put the 4 best teams in.  It isn't Georgia's fault that their last game before the bowl games/playoff games happened to be the #1 team in the country.  They are a "victim" (and I use that term very loosely) of circumstance.  


Ah well... Hopefully OU proves me wrong and knocks out the tide.
in terms of 'fair' i agree..... but.  ain't 'fair' and never has been.  UGA had the opportunity to control their own destiny and they failed.  not fair, but they had an opportunity to take 'fair' out of it and they didn't.  that's a helluva lot more fair than the mid major ND getting in over the mid major UCF. 

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« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2018, 03:27:31 PM »
Yep.... nothing fair about it.  As for UCF, they should upgrade their conference if they want a shot.  

Expansion to 6 or 8 teams solves most meaningful arguments.  

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« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2018, 04:16:54 PM »
I think OU is a very dangerous opponent for Bama.  OU is probably at least as good on offense as they were last year and a very good UGA defense didn't stop them much until late.  It could come down to turnovers and critical penalties.  I wonder how much Bama will try and pressure the QB, I think they should.

This could be a high scoring affair and OU has a good shot.  I don't know much about Texas other than that they beat OU once.

UGA has a lot of talent but much of it is very very youthful and inexperienced.  They had some critical injuries late in the year that hurt, some of those guys should be back, like the MLB Monty Rice.  They don't have Roquan Smith of course.  That guy can play.

I think UGA has more former 5 stars on the roster than anyone, but many are freshmen or sophs.  Even Fromm is a soph (true) though it seems he's been around for years.  I guess two  is plural.

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« Reply #42 on: December 03, 2018, 04:32:10 PM »
Expansion to 6 or 8 teams solves most meaningful arguments.  

Would the networks/schools/conferences be willing to cut back to a 10-game regular season so we can do the 8-team playoff?

I think the SEC already plays 2 "gimme" games anyway.  All other conferences play at least one.

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« Reply #43 on: December 03, 2018, 04:36:17 PM »
The Sugar Bowl is why I like bowl season.

Texas built its defense to play against the spread teams in the Big 12. The crux is a rock DT plus sundry lighter but faster "tweener" type players at just about every position. They line up in crazy places in an attempt to scramble pre-snap reads either by the QB or the OC. When the ball is snapped, players go every which way through any gap available. Coverages have to be hybrid and disguised - otherwise the Big 12 QBs and receivers will just dice them up.

UGA has the strength advantage. In a straight up fight, the bigger players would just shove Texas out of the way. If Texas doesn't find success with a schematic advantage, it will be a long night of watching the Bulldogs well, bulldog their way down the field - eating clock and scoring points.

The Big 12 doesn't have anything like Georgia in it. I like this matchup if nothing else just to see how the styles translate.

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« Reply #44 on: December 03, 2018, 04:51:25 PM »

Texas defense vs. Georgia offense = Texas + 10

Texas offense vs. Georgia defense = Texas + 28


I give Texas a fighting chance on defense, but barely.

I give Texas no chance on offense.  The Texas OL is putrid, but in the Big 12 you can skate by with that.  Not against Georgia.  The Texas OL will be sitting on their asses a half-second after each snap.

Just killed me when OU would line up 3 in the trenches, and still blow right past Texas 5 O-lineman.  Pitiful.

If Herman is going to bring his University of Houston offensive game plan to the Sugar Bowl, then Georgia is going to put on a defensive clinic.

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« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2018, 05:05:22 PM »
in terms of 'fair' i agree..... but.  ain't 'fair' and never has been.  UGA had the opportunity to control their own destiny and they failed.  not fair, but they had an opportunity to take 'fair' out of it and they didn't.  that's a helluva lot more fair than the mid major ND getting in over the mid major UCF.
UGA had 2 opportunities
LSU 38 - UGA 16
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« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2018, 06:49:47 PM »
I also think Kirby Smart is still learning how to be head coach, coupled with a lot of young players who are learning how to play.

I figured "next year" was THE year.

Of course, I often think that and have since 1981.

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« Reply #47 on: December 03, 2018, 07:51:48 PM »
you're not as old as some Cubs fans
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« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2018, 04:15:42 PM »
you're not as old as some Cubs fans
I'm older than most.

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« Reply #49 on: December 04, 2018, 05:17:02 PM »
Hurts wasn't no slouch...I think he earned 2 MNC rings all by himself before Tua took over IIRC.  At least one that I know of (and yes I'm too lazy /don't care to look it up on google).  Tua IMO is a much better player but Hurts is a solid player and game manager just like 'Bama's other NC teams.  
fwiw, hurts lead us to the title game 2 years ago, when watson had the amazing 4th qtr comeback. we lost that one, but we were ahead when hurts walked off the field with 2 min left.
he also lead us to the title game last year, when tua took over at half.

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« Reply #50 on: December 04, 2018, 07:27:09 PM »
His name alone is pretty intimidating ...

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« Reply #51 on: December 04, 2018, 09:26:27 PM »
I'm older than most.

I'm also proud of this fact
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« Reply #52 on: December 04, 2018, 10:04:55 PM »
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« Reply #53 on: December 05, 2018, 04:08:04 AM »
Like the Sugar Bowl is nothing to play for ...
I mean, sure, they’re the best team of the current era, but a Sugar Bowl win will always a worth going all out for.  Just think of all those graduating seniors, to go out on a Sugar Bowl win is still a biggie.
In fact this was how Stoops went out (as a head coach), on a big Sugar Bowl W over Auburn.  Always the best way, going out a winner.
This exchange reminded me of the other thread where JCG was bitching about Mack only winning 10 games a year at Texas.  Like that wasn't good enough, he had to win a Conference Championship.  So Saban claimed that his team was down because they expected to play for the MNC and instead got dropped to the Sugar Bowl.  You see the irony in that right?  

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« Reply #54 on: December 05, 2018, 08:09:31 AM »
So Saban claimed that his team was down because they expected to play for the MNC and instead got dropped to the Sugar Bowl.  You see the irony in that right?  
Yes it was a pitiful excuse.  An inexcusable excuse.  I didn’t have an opinion one way or another on Saban before this game other than he’s had amazing success, but I found him to be disappointing in that one.  Why not just grow a sack and admit you got beat?  Is it really so hard.  If you can’t get up for the Sugar Bowl against a helmet team, one that already holds the H2H series lead on your ass, I mean what in the actual f—-?

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« Reply #55 on: December 05, 2018, 08:16:21 AM »
Saban is the Bill Beilichick of the college ranks.

They both win at high rates...... and both are incredibly unlikable humans.

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« Reply #56 on: December 05, 2018, 09:11:25 AM »
Ah well... Hopefully OU proves me wrong and knocks out the tide.

I don't want anyone to knock out the Tide.

I have a master scheme in mind.  Let's put it this way - I want this Alabama run to come full circle, and end at the same place where it started.

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« Reply #57 on: December 05, 2018, 09:27:10 AM »
I don't want anyone to knock out the Tide.

I have a master scheme in mind.  Let's put it this way - I want this Alabama run to come full circle, and end at the same place where it started.
So how does it come full circle if not by beginning to lose crucial games that they’re predicted to win by 2 TDs?  I think that’d be a good start on their decline but of course I do have a(n) (under)dog in this fight.  

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« Reply #58 on: December 05, 2018, 10:07:40 AM »
Saban is the Bill Beilichick of the college ranks.

They both win at high rates...... and both are incredibly unlikable humans.
why is saban unlikable? both are asses to the media, but that doesn't stop there for belichick. it does for saban. watch or read anything about his personal life or interactions with his players or basically anything except his pressers and you'll see he's a very personable guy. hell, that's why he's a master recruiter.

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« Reply #59 on: December 05, 2018, 10:12:06 AM »
I don't want anyone to knock out the Tide.

I have a master scheme in mind.  Let's put it this way - I want this Alabama run to come full circle, and end at the same place where it started.
beated texas in the rose bowl to win the title and sending the horns on a 10 year spiral? i'm down for that.

 

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