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Gigem

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SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« on: December 02, 2018, 06:39:33 PM »
Texas vs UGa Sugar Bowl

OU vs Alabama Cotton Bowl

Who ya got?  It will certainly be interesting to see how the teams match up. For those touting the great defense of Alabama and the poor defense of OU it will be a contrast of strengths.



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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2018, 07:25:12 PM »
I think the SEC wins both

but, will be rooting for the Big 12
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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2018, 07:31:05 PM »
Texas vs UGa Sugar Bowl
And I was hoping for a 10-win season.

Oh well, if Herman's squad can't beat Georgia in his 2nd year then I can forgive that.

SEC/Big 12 bowl matchups are always rigged to favor the SEC.  A&M is a much more equal matchup for Texas.  But hades no, the SEC (and A&M) aren't going near it.  It has to be easy money for the SEC.

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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2018, 08:04:32 PM »
I’m perfectly fine with everyone thinking Bama wins it in a walk. OU does better as an underdog.  In 2013 Bama was favored by 16.5 in the Sugar against OU.

Texas will give Georgia a good game.  I think it’s gonna be close.  

In fact I think both games will be close.  If I were betting, I’d bet that both SEC teams win but that neither covers the spread.

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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2018, 08:22:02 PM »
No excuses for Bama. They have something to play for now. 

I think UT will be way overmatched with UGa but they might not. 

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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2018, 08:38:23 PM »
No excuses for Bama. They have something to play for now.

I think UT will be way overmatched with UGa but they might not.
Like the Sugar Bowl is nothing to play for ...
I mean, sure, they’re the best team of the current era, but a Sugar Bowl win will always a worth going all out for.  Just think of all those graduating seniors, to go out on a Sugar Bowl win is still a biggie.
In fact this was how Stoops went out (as a head coach), on a big Sugar Bowl W over Auburn.  Always the best way, going out a winner.

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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2018, 08:54:53 PM »
I never said they had nothing to play for. Saban intimated as much after the game. No excuses this time.

I will say that Trevor Knight ( of the 50% completion variety) played the game of his life and OU had their QB running for his life.

I don’t care for either team. I think Bama will win but it won’t be a blow out.

Some of you may not know this but there was whispers that Kyler Murray refused to go in the game vs Bama in 2015 and got into it with the coaches. This is the game where Kyle Allen threw several pick 6s and was pulled. Kyler played in his relief and threw one pick 6 too and had an overall bad game.  Rumors were swirling after the game about Kylers behavior on the sideline. He transferred not long after.
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2018, 09:02:31 PM »
Vegas loves the SEC

Bama favored by 14

Dogs favored by 11

I just hope we stay within 2 TDs
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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2018, 09:27:22 PM »
I never said they had nothing to play for. Saban intimated as much after the game. No excuses this time.
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Rumors were swirling after the game about Kylers behavior on the sideline. He transferred not long after.
Okay we agree on your first point.
On your last, all I can say is what we said to Texas Tech, for letting Baker Mayfield go.  Thank you, A&M!

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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2018, 08:42:05 AM »
Hard to know where the UGA "heads" are in this one.  I'd take the points and both dogs to cover.

Oklahoma can score on Bama, a lot.  And vice versa.

UGA is probably more talented than Texas at this point, but that does not always matter.  Both lost their CGs.

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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2018, 09:04:21 AM »
And I was hoping for a 10-win season.

Oh well, if Herman's squad can't beat Georgia in his 2nd year then I can forgive that.

SEC/Big 12 bowl matchups are always rigged to favor the SEC.  A&M is a much more equal matchup for Texas.  But hades no, the SEC (and A&M) aren't going near it.  It has to be easy money for the SEC.
If Texas loses, Texas will go 9-5 which will make Tom Herman's second season record identical to Mack Brown's second season record at Texas.

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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2018, 09:07:51 AM »
Texas vs UGa Sugar Bowl

OU vs Alabama Cotton Bowl

Who ya got?  It will certainly be interesting to see how the teams match up. For those touting the great defense of Alabama and the poor defense of OU it will be a contrast of strengths.
I've been reading on TexAgs that:
Georgia will absolutely slaughter Texas;
Unless of course they don't want to be there because they were screwed out of the CFP, in which case they won't show up.
So the narrative has been covered.   Win or lose, tu is undeserving dog crap and the unassailable greatness that is the SEC shall prevail.

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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2018, 09:11:00 AM »
Personally, I would love to see pay back for the 1984 Cotton Bowl that followed the 1983 season.

I want to see it come down to a hopeless, trailing Texas punting in the final moments and the Georgia punt returner getting absolutely destroyed and fumbling the ball which Texas picks up and runs into the end zone for the go ahead TD. 

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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2018, 10:41:26 AM »
You left out OSU vs Mizzou.  The Big12 is expected to go 0-3 vs the SEC.  Whatever.  
The Sooners are 12-1, Big 12 Champs and in the playoffs.  I'm happy.
Texas has 9 wins, won the RRS, made a serious charge at the Big 12 title and has a Sugar Bowl date.  That is a great season as well.

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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2018, 10:43:38 AM »
Texas most likely will not beat UGA. 

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Re: SEC vs Big 12 bowl game edition
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2018, 11:43:35 AM »
UGA is probably more talented than Texas at this point

Serious statement?

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« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2018, 11:48:34 AM »
The Big12 is expected to go 0-3 vs the SEC.

Of course it is.  That's a calculated expectation performed at SEC headquarters.

#2 team from a 14-team conference (with only 8 conference games)
VS.
#2 team from a 10-team conference where everybody plays each other

Seem about right?

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« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2018, 12:16:52 PM »
i kinda like texas against the dawgs... i wouldn't be surprised if that game is decided by one possession in heroic fashion.  UGA is more talented i've little doubt, but it's not like texas are a bunch of scrubs- and a month of prep is a long time.  UGA and Bama win by attrition- they lean on people an entire game and burst when they can- and then they 'go to work' the next week, no matter who the opponent with the same game plan week in and week out.  it works for them as they rely on depth to keep the game fresh- it's why they're harder to beat as the season progresses when just about all teams have been depleted to a degree... teams like bama and uga have bench almost as good as starters... it's a formula that works as there really isn't anything fancy about their sets, schemes, or plays.  

it isn't a formula for tearing up a well rested and prepared team.  

Clemson can absolutely beat Bama in a one off... OU can't.  without Big12 zebra's out there making calls that assisted OU ever more as the season progressed, they have already been cut down and worth at least two yards per play average on this 'vaunted' Offense.  Bama, with a healthy Tua, will rip the OU defense to shreds.  Bama can and in my opinion will hold OU to their lowest scoring event of the year- half because OU will be called for their constant but often overlooked infractions, and the other because Bama can play very solid D.  

Texas can come out and play a totally different and very well rehearsed game- and that is where i think the difference is in a bowl vs. a regular season game- Herman's a tactician.... it's his style.  Smart is a 'go to work' guy, selling out for perfected execution and rolling out a well documented game plan.  this actually favors Texas, and the reason I think it'll be close.    

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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2018, 12:19:13 PM »

Hilarious that OU lept over Georgia.  Although it seemed scripted.

The Big 12 must be respected after all.  Or else the B1G is not respected.  And does the PAC still play football?

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« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2018, 12:22:50 PM »
it's reasonable UGA fell below both the BigVII and B1G champions... and- they had their shot and missed.  they may be one of the best three teams in the nation by my reckoning, and along with Clemson just a few drops pale of Bama.  But they lost when it mattered, both against LSU and Bama- and that offers fair opportunity for the other conference champs in my opinion to have their own shot.  

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« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2018, 01:21:16 PM »
Two things:

1.  Georgia is definitely more talented than the horns.  UGA gets ridiculous recruiting classes.  

2.  OU in the CFP further spotlights the conundrum with how teams are selected.  There are two general camps.... Camp 1 wants to see the 4 "most deserving" teams get in.  And with that there are various factors to consider to like conference titles... have you just recently played a top 4 team... etc.  Camp 2 just wants to see the best 4 teams in it, regardless of all other factors.


I personally fall into camp 2... in which case I would've voted for UGA to get in over OU.  Did UGA just lose to Bama?  Sure.  But that in no way means they aren't one of the best 4 teams in the country.  In fact, given how UGA was handling Bama for most of that game, it would be hard for most to argue otherwise.  So why should another team like OU get a chance to play in it just because UGA lost... if OU isn't really a top 4 team (which I don't believe they are).  All comes down to.... are you trying to determine the BEST team in the country or not.  It would seem.... they are not.  None of this is really "fair" I guess.... so it is what it is.  If it were, I suppose UCF would be in.  


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« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2018, 01:34:55 PM »
without Big12 zebra's out there making calls that assisted OU ever more as the season progressed, they have already been cut down and worth at least two yards per play average on this 'vaunted' Offense.  Bama, with a healthy Tua, will rip the OU defense to shreds.  Bama can and in my opinion will hold OU to their lowest scoring event of the year- half because OU will be called for their constant but often overlooked infractions, and the other because Bama can play very solid D.  
This is a complete load of BS.  OU's penalty yards per game are in the middle of the Big 12 stats at 61 ypg, higher than ISU (39), KSU (37), KU (56) and just under Tex (67) and Tech (68).  Only OSU (71) and Baylor (78) have substantially more.  
In the first RRS game this year, OU had 73 yards in penalties vs Texas 43.  In the game Saturday, we had 60 yards penalties, which is about our season average.  Texas had a lot more, uncharacteristic for them.  So, the zebs favored Texas in Oct and us in Dec.  C'est la vie.  I'm not making penalty excuses for OU's loss back in Oct, and I doubt my Texas friends here will blame penalties for Dec's Texas loss.
Oh, and if you want to compare to the other CFP teams, here are the numbers Bama (48 ypg), ND (45), Clemson (46).  OU averages a full 15 yards penalized per game more often than the other three.  
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« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2018, 01:43:22 PM »
As for Bama ripping OU to shreds, that's why we play the games.  People said the same thing in the Sugar Bowl in 2013.

OU tends to do well against SEC teams, winning against Auburn and Alabama in recent Sugar Bowls and sweeping Tennessee recently in a home and home.  Last year's playoff with Georgia went to OT. 

SEC fervor aside, I expect a good game.  I won't say anything negative about the SEC, which is full of great teams.  But the Big 12 is no slouch.

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« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2018, 01:48:49 PM »

I think CFB (which is the media, by and large) just wants Texas and Oklahoma on the big stage.

OU in the playoff and Texas in the Sugar Bowl?  Gimme a break.

OU has no defense and the Horns are Alamo Bowl ready.

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« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2018, 01:52:14 PM »
the 12 has the goofiest officiating in the game this season, and they worked more in OU's favor than they went against.  this is a fact.  OU hasn't faced a strong D, and certainly not enough to warrant their O as 'great'... statistically they are the 'best', but we'll see how that works out for them against a strong D.  It sounds like Tua may be done for the season- but it will only matter against Clemson... it's Bama's D that is going to shut OU down hard, not the O- and there will be no refs to save them. 

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« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2018, 02:05:08 PM »
Nice, Cousin.  I'm reminded of the last time OU and Bama played.  OU couldn't win that one either... until they did.

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« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2018, 02:10:35 PM »
Losing to OU put Texas in a BCS bowl.   It put us in a better bowl only because of the tie in.   Washington State should be going to the Sugar Bowl.  

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« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2018, 02:19:34 PM »
Losing to OU put Texas in a BCS bowl.   It put us in a better bowl only because of the tie in.   Washington State should be going to the Sugar Bowl.  
The Sugar Bowl had sights set on Texas and Georgia even before last weekend.

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« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2018, 02:27:59 PM »
the 12 has the goofiest officiating in the game this season, and they worked more in OU's favor than they went against.  this is a fact.  OU hasn't faced a strong D, and certainly not enough to warrant their O as 'great'... statistically they are the 'best', but we'll see how that works out for them against a strong D.  It sounds like Tua may be done for the season- but it will only matter against Clemson... it's Bama's D that is going to shut OU down hard, not the O- and there will be no refs to save them.
What conference are the officials from?  B1G or PAC 12?  

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« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2018, 02:40:15 PM »
I'm not quite buying it just yet that Alabama's defense will shut down Oklahoma on offense.  The main question I have is Kyler Murray's performance under pressure?  How will he handle being sacked/hit etc?  QB scrambles are different when you're getting pursued by big, fast players.  I can see Kyler getting off some long passes early and getting some confidence and playing well the entire game and I can see him getting pressured or sacked every time he drops back to pass.  

Texas to me is a weird team.  They can win or lose any game as voiced by multiple longhorns on this board.  I still think Ga wins but Texas will get in their licks.  

 

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