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Topic: North Carolina hires Mack Brown

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Cincydawg

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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2018, 10:24:16 AM »
The neighboring programs like Clemson and Georgia cherry pick North Carolina of most top recruits (think Todd Gurley) and what's left get spread out over NCSU/UNC/Duke/Wake Forest.  A 3-4 star guy is more apt to go to NCSU than UNC in football.  They aren't going to appeal in general to many out of staters who are known commodities either.

MB is at least a name and may tilt a few, as I noted, but whether he can coach them up remains to be seen.  Fortunately the base line is very low, and the ACC is a bunch of mediocre teams  in similar shape and Clemson.

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« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2018, 10:36:50 AM »
Yup.  UNC isn't going to displace Clemson, but it's not going to take much to rise into the top 1/4 of that conference and get to 5-3 or even 6-2 on an annual basis.  They have some tough marquee OOC opponents over the next few years (South Carolina, Notre Dame, Auburn), but going 3-1 in their OOC still gets them to 8-4 overall, maybe 9-3 in a really good year.  Which is a completely reasonable expectation, IMO.

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« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2018, 10:56:15 AM »
Dabo threatened to leave Clemson

could be Mack's conference if that happened
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« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2018, 11:22:00 AM »
Dabo threatened to leave Clemson

could be Mack's conference if that happened
There will always be one conference foe Mack can't get over or around.  In the ACC it was Bobby Bowden.  In the Big 12 it was Bob Stoops.
That's why he always talks about ten-win seasons instead of conference championships.
It irks me to no end.  
There are so many reasons to love Mack Brown, but just about every preceding Texas head coach won as many or more conference championships than he did - and over a much shorter span of time.
Mackovic won or shared 3 in 6 years.  McWilliams, dismal as he was, won one over 5 years.  Akers won 2 in 10.  DKR 11 in 20.  Ed Price 2 in 6.  Blair Cherry 1 in 4.  Dana Bible 2 in 10.  Clyde Littlefield 2 in 7.   Berry Whitaker 1 in 3.  William Juneau 1 in 3.  Eugene Van Gent 1 in 1.  Dave Adderdice 2 in 5.  
The only ones who didn't win conference championships were EJ Stewart and Jack Chevigny and they were only allowed to stay 3 and 4 years respectively, much like Charlie Strong.
Somehow the mission crept under DeLoss and Mack.  To DeLoss, money was more important.  To Mack it was 10 win seasons.
I can't believe how they let him languish from 1999 through 2003.

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« Reply #34 on: November 30, 2018, 11:40:31 AM »
happens to many very good, but not great elite coaches

Barry was the guy for Osborne

Woody was the guy for Bo

Urban is now the guy for Harbaugh

Saban is that guy in the SEC

Dabo is the guy in the ACC

the common thread is that all those guys recruited at the highest level and then let those superior athletes play w/o screwing it up
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« Reply #35 on: November 30, 2018, 11:59:06 AM »
Yep!

Only time we could prevail was when VY was there and later McCoy to Shipley.  Without those three we might've never won a Big 12 championship.

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« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2018, 11:59:39 AM »
Did you know Colt McCoy and Jordan Shipley's fathers were college roommates?

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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #37 on: November 30, 2018, 12:39:00 PM »
I did not.

Imagine UNC is 5-7 next year and 7-5 the next, it's possible, that is even quite modest.  Brown would be seen as a hero, and they'd be primed for a new coach from Appy State or somewhere.

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« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2018, 02:05:36 PM »
Are there any coaches in the ACC named Bob or Bobby?  That seems to be Mack's downfall.

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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #39 on: November 30, 2018, 06:32:54 PM »
Texas under Mack would sometimes quit if they got far behind, but I really don't think this was Mack's fault, except possibly when he let the QB controversy (Simms vs Applewhite) go on too long for Texas.  Weren't these blowouts kind of unique to playing against OU though?  I don't remember Texas folding against teams other than Oklahoma.  OU's offense was always high powered under Bobby, with really really good QB's (two Heismans, and one near Heisman) going for us in those years, and some good backs and O-lines too.  I think that explained some of those RRS blowouts.  Texas otherwise had a stellar defense and could keep the opposing offense contained in those years, and they did it against OU a few times too (like that 16-13 game).

So far my read is that Mack is a better coach than Herman, because this year at least you often see Texas quitting when they're ahead.  The fourth quarter seems like no man's land to this Texas team.  I looked recently at their box scores, and the following teams outscored Texas in the fourth quarter, some of whom by a lot: Maryland, Tulsa!, KSU, OU, WVU, TT, ISU and KU.  That's 8 out of 12, and including all two of the three losses, in which the fourth quarter was when the game was decided.

I'm sincere in saying that this throws me, because one of the things I used to admire about Texas was their ability to come back.  I remember all those comebacks under Mack over Oklahoma State for example.  Mack had some really impressive Texas teams and such a great run.  One of the better coaches I've ever seen.  Rivalry aside, I really admire him.  
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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #40 on: November 30, 2018, 08:26:15 PM »
Texas under Mack would sometimes quit if they got far behind, but I really don't think this was Mack's fault, except possibly when he let the QB controversy (Simms vs Applewhite) go on too long for Texas.  Weren't these blowouts kind of unique to playing against OU though?  I don't remember Texas folding against teams other than Oklahoma.  OU's offense was always high powered under Bobby, with really really good QB's (two Heismans, and one near Heisman) going for us in those years, and some good backs and O-lines too.  I think that explained some of those RRS blowouts.  Texas otherwise had a stellar defense and could keep the opposing offense contained in those years, and they did it against OU a few times too (like that 16-13 game).

So far my read is that Mack is a better coach than Herman, because this year at least you often see Texas quitting when they're ahead.  The fourth quarter seems like no man's land to this Texas team.  I looked recently at their box scores, and the following teams outscored Texas in the fourth quarter, some of whom by a lot: Maryland, Tulsa!, KSU, OU, WVU, TT, ISU and KU.  That's 8 out of 12, and including all two of the three losses, in which the fourth quarter was when the game was decided.

I'm sincere in saying that this throws me, because one of the things I used to admire about Texas was their ability to come back.  I remember all those comebacks under Mack over Oklahoma State for example.  Mack had some really impressive Texas teams and such a great run.  One of the better coaches I've ever seen.  Rivalry aside, I really admire him.  
Not sure why you think that
We have lost 3 games by a total of 8 points combined
Ive seen no quit in this team
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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #41 on: November 30, 2018, 09:39:43 PM »
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Mack had some really impressive Texas teams and such a great run.  One of the better coaches I've ever seen.  Rivalry aside, I really admire him.   

Well said Freddie. It just shows how shitty Texas fans can be even when their teams are terrific.

Damn, at least give the man credit for recruiting vy and Shipley et al. He certainly had our number on the field and on the recruiting trail.

Seriously guys Stoops is probably one of the all time greats in cfb but boo freakin hoo that Mack failed to get over that hump. He played for 4 conference titles, won 2, and tied one division that I know of. Not to mention playing for the mnc twice but ONLY winning one.

You do realize Mack has the same amount of mnc s that Bob has right?  

You guys deserve to lose tomorrow. Sheesh.
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« Reply #42 on: November 30, 2018, 10:37:56 PM »
Ha.

Gigem, I was the only Texas fan on this thread complaining about Mack Brown, so it’s not like we’re all ungrateful.  Just me.  And I’ll gladly admit it.

Mack did a lot of good things.  Thank you, Mack.  But he did a lot of bad things too.   Two conference championships in 16 years was a unacceptable.  Five straight losses to OU was unacceptable.  Owning a handful of Texas’ biggest losses to OU was unacceptable.

As for you, Fred, you’re about the fifth Sooner I’ve met who wants to lament Texas’s 4th quarter lapses like it’s a pitiable thing.  Yet oddly enough I don’t know too many Texas fans crying about it.  Given how far Texas has fallen we’re grateful for the baby step progress.  Could it be you Sooners are just obsessing over your one shining glimmer of hope?

Maybe you should worry about your defense.

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« Reply #43 on: December 01, 2018, 01:16:46 AM »
Hey Gigem-- Sober the hell up and talk to us tomorrow.  Are you kidding me?  Really?

Root for whomever the hell you want, but don't pick some weird made up bullshit reason to do it.  You're an Aggie, and you hate Texas.  Fred is a Sooner, and hates Texas.  It's natural that you want to root against Texas because it's a rivalry and that's what rivals do.

But don't try to find some weird, stupid, trumped-up reason to do so.  It's just so contrived and stupid.

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Re: North Carolina hires Mack Brown
« Reply #44 on: December 01, 2018, 07:11:50 AM »
Can I hate Texas because they don't know the difference between polenta and grits?

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« Reply #45 on: December 01, 2018, 07:49:38 AM »
Hey Gigem-- Sober the hell up and talk to us tomorrow.  Are you kidding me?  Really?

Root for whomever the hell you want, but don't pick some weird made up bullshit reason to do it.  You're an Aggie, and you hate Texas.  Fred is a Sooner, and hates Texas.  It's natural that you want to root against Texas because it's a rivalry and that's what rivals do.

But don't try to find some weird, stupid, trumped-up reason to do so.  It's just so contrived and stupid.
Well I'm not sure if something I posted got deleted or what because I didn't think I said anything that inflammatory.  It just irks me that some fans are crying about a coach that won 76% of their games and played for only two MNC.  In my mind if you can consistently win 10+ games a year, win the majority of your bowl games, and compete for the conference year in and year out that's all you can ask for.  You just happened to be unlucky with the timing.  You just don't realize how lucky you really were.  Because at the end of the day, you can have all the other pieces you need, but I'm fully and wholly convinced that above all else you need just a little bit of luck to make it all work.

And I also want to add that I'm not necessarily in disagreement that he needed to be retired at the end of his run.  Clearly, his last several teams were not up to par with most of the teams he fielded.  Since I really don't follow texas football that close I'm not sure the reason why but what I do know is that he would have done much, much better than Charlie Strong.  

Good luck Mack and we'll see how he fares at UNC.  
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« Reply #46 on: December 01, 2018, 08:02:13 AM »
I agree about the luck factor, a game or two that flips your way, usually.  Mark Richt was "close but no cigar" several times, and we see what happened to him.  9.6 wins per season on average.  See ya.


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« Reply #47 on: December 01, 2018, 08:15:22 AM »
I'm not sure what is contrived or stupid about saying that the fans of a particular school should be thankful for everything a coach accomplished.... particularly considering how successful Mack Brown was.  Afterall, how many times times did horn fans tell Aggies that firing RC was stupid and we should've been thankful for everything he did at A&M.  

It's no different than pointing out how ridiculous it is that Bama fans get upset because they didn't win the national title in a particular year.  I mean... seriously!  You have half a dozen titles the last decade or so and that's not good enough?  

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« Reply #48 on: December 01, 2018, 09:51:05 AM »
Dabo threatened to leave Clemson because of some grief a week or so ago

coaching is tough, even when you are winning
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« Reply #49 on: December 01, 2018, 09:51:36 AM »
Can I hate Texas because they don't know the difference between polenta and grits?
everyone has their reason
but, yes, of course
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« Reply #50 on: December 01, 2018, 10:43:41 AM »
everyone has their reason
but, yes, of course
some folks hate Texas so much that they give the upside down Horns sign even if the team they are 
playing isnt Texas
I love seeing that
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« Reply #51 on: December 01, 2018, 11:23:00 AM »
You either like what Mack did at Texas or you think he did not do enough.   He should never have sat Applewhite.    Simms should have red shirted or not been recruited.  

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« Reply #52 on: December 01, 2018, 11:49:28 AM »
Did I ever tell my grits story?

I was about 8 and my folks threw my sibs & me in the Dodge Dart and headed out through the deep south to Cocoa Beach Florida.

We stopped at a diner for breakfast in some dirty little town in Mississippi, Alabama or Georgia.

I ordered bacon, eggs and toast and the waitress who was voluptuous said, “you want grits with that, darlin?” And I was enchanted.   She could’ve said “you want dog shit with that, darlin?” And I would’ve said yes.

My parents went ape shit.  That extra 30 cents apparently screwed up our travel budget.  They were like, grits? We don’t eat grits. You ain’t never had grits. You won’t like grits. You better eat every damn bite.

I learned a lot about grits, southerners, women and particularly southern women.

I don’t like grits.  I’m not a southerner and I don’t trust women.  And women with southern accents make me want to barf.
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« Reply #53 on: December 01, 2018, 12:13:01 PM »
Did I ever tell my grits story?


I don’t like grits.  I’m not a southerner and I don’t trust women.  And women with southern accents make me want to barf.
hell yeah, you've told the story, but it's always good to hear it again
I’m not a southerner and I don’t trust women.
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« Reply #54 on: December 20, 2018, 05:01:14 PM »
They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

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« Reply #55 on: December 20, 2018, 06:37:37 PM »
...  Afterall, how many times times did horn fans tell Aggies that firing RC was stupid and we should've been thankful for everything he did at A&M...
FTR, RC won 4 conference championships in 13 years. Mack won 3 in 16.

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« Reply #56 on: December 20, 2018, 06:38:14 PM »
I like southern women.

I like grits.

I swear some of you won't be happy until you suck every bit of fun out of life.  I pity you.

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« Reply #57 on: December 20, 2018, 06:43:18 PM »
I like southern women.

I like grits.

I swear some of you won't be happy until you suck every bit of fun out of life.  I pity you.
Said Mr Beer snob, Barbecue snob, Music snob, Truck snob, Travel Trailer snob, Vacation snob.  Oh my.  Let’s see what else?   You seem to know best about everything.  Life MUST be great when you’re the authority on every nuanced detail in life and you can look down on the ignorant opinions of others.  Eh, nice guy?

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« Reply #58 on: December 20, 2018, 06:45:28 PM »
BTW, Merry Chrstmas to you & your beautiful family.

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« Reply #59 on: December 20, 2018, 09:52:23 PM »
Said Mr Beer snob, Barbecue snob, Music snob, Truck snob, Travel Trailer snob, Vacation snob.  Oh my.  Let’s see what else?   You seem to know best about everything.  Life MUST be great when you’re the authority on every nuanced detail in life and you can look down on the ignorant opinions of others.  Eh, nice guy?
It's pretty fabulous, I gotta say.
And Merry Christmas to you and yours as well! :)

 

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