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Re: UT football
« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2018, 10:41:06 PM »
Vince Young wasn't a great passer, period.  He's gotten a halo effect from the Rose Bowl game.  If USC had simply spied him, he wouldn't be nearly as revered now.



Manziel was a better passer, sure, but threw a lot of jump balls.  A quality passer doesn't do that.  



Both QBs' greatest strength was scrambling.  That's good to have, but I'm not sure you want it to be the #1 thing you're good at.  
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous."

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Re: UT football
« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2018, 07:26:09 AM »
Well, I think the Vols are on the "way back", but how far they get is unclear to me unless they can start getting top ten recruiting classes.

I know that is a "necessary but not sufficient" thing and some programs do pretty well without top level recruiting, but in the SEC it's rare.

They could be on the way back to 8-5 type seasons.

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Re: UT football
« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2018, 08:56:44 AM »
Offensive Biggun's is what UT need's right now... some with some football intelligence, and NOT named Chance Hall.  

With them, UF likely loses this past season's game, or it's at least a helluva lot more competitive, as an example.  Finding freshmen that fit the bill may be difficult at best, so it may be time to poach some jr colleges or lessor tiered schools with components that want to play on national tv... 

UT is okay certainly not great but okay in the skilled positions, has a decent LB corps, and a young secondary that should show improvement by next season.  their D line isn't really all that bad either but cold also use some very attentive work... 

I firmly believe they are no longer push overs with just that 'fix', and can likely be instant 3rd place SEC East as a floor... 

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Re: UT football
« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2018, 10:25:04 AM »
USCe has shown signs of life, and I thought Muschamp was a bad hire.

Mizzou is not right now chopped liver, and UK is dangerous.

If we guess at the rank order 3 years down the road, most would have UGA-UF in the first tier, followed by USCe and Tenn, and perhaps Mizzou.

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« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2018, 12:43:23 PM »
Bah humbug for hatin’ on JFF. If you recall that first LSU game was decided by a (missed) fg or two and one of the big time LSU linemen were saying “give him the heisman” after the game.

Johnny also played behind an extremely talented OL and had some first round talent at WR.

No way Vince was a better passer.
Yes, and JFF's miserable game had nothing to do with it being close, it had to do with LSU having a(nother) miserable offense.  He scrambled around and made the D-linemen work for their sacks.  But think about that, if it's linemen running down a legendary QB.
Vince Young set some records at Texas in games, some passing efficiency ones, it was not just the Rose Bowl.  Spying VY....yes, because that worked so well for the teams who tried it.  I don't think Pete Carroll needs to take defensive notes from any of us here.  

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Re: UT football
« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2018, 07:49:45 PM »
Name the most prolific passing QB pre-Young.  lol
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Re: UT football
« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2018, 07:50:27 PM »
 Spying VY....yes, because that worked so well for the teams who tried it.  I don't think Pete Carroll needs to take defensive notes from any of us here.  
Ehh, did any of them have the talent of USC?  
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Re: UT football
« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2018, 09:29:58 PM »
Name the most prolific passing QB pre-Young.  lol
No idea, but the numbers were objectively great.  When you complete nearly 90% of your passes in a game, that's good regardless of who played QB before you.  
People just see NFL washout and assume he was a collegiate running QB who couldn't read a defense or do actual QB things.  And those people did not watch many UT games from that time period either.  

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Re: UT football
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2018, 09:30:30 PM »
Ehh, did any of them have the talent of USC?  
Did any of them have the defensive coaching acumen of Pete Carroll?

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Re: UT football
« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2018, 11:03:54 AM »
pre-2005, vy wasn't a great passer, though he wasn't terrible either. but 2005 he was very good. top 20 in yrds and td:int ratio, top 10 in comp%, top 5 in y/a, top 3 in qb rating.  not to mention his running ability.

i wouldn't say he was a world beater passing, but he was quite good. among the best that season.

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Re: UT football
« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2018, 12:01:06 PM »
What if Tenn signs a QB of the caliber of say Drew Lock next season?  A guy who starts as a freshman and makes mistakes but shows signs of becoming a very good one.  They might finish say 7-6 next year, but could be dangerous as he matures.

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Re: UT football
« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2018, 12:29:21 PM »

What we have are people who keep blaming poor QB play on the OL because the QB can't read defenses, pick up a blitz and get the ball out quickly.

It's the QB who runs the offense one of his jobs is to let his lineman know what the defense is doing so they can adjust accordingly. That's why UT's OL looks terrible at times with JG at QB.

They're getting the blame for his lack of ability at reading the defense. You can see it in his audibles too.


We saw how much that changed when Chryst came into the game against BAMA.

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Re: UT football
« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2018, 03:06:14 PM »
What's the word on Guarantano/Chryst?  

Was JG knocked out of the game or benched?  Is he coming back or is this new guy in the rest of the way?

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Re: UT football
« Reply #43 on: November 20, 2018, 02:44:14 PM »
We seem to have the "good Vols" would beat Auburn and Kentucky and the bad Vols who struggled with Charlotte and were blown out last week.

I think the good version shows up this weekend, perhaps.

 

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