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Re: Sunday Morning 1-14
« Reply #90 on: November 14, 2018, 10:17:21 AM »
On the other hand, so many outages were apparent to the casual observer last year than one would expect just about any new coach to fix some of them.  Playing as a team and not quitting likely was the focus of Pruitt this year, and he succeeded, at least by external appearances.

Being 0-8 in conference is an anomaly, even under Jones, they would have done somewhat better this year.

The record in year one and two may not tell as much as the eye test.

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Re: Sunday Morning 1-14
« Reply #91 on: November 18, 2018, 08:48:49 PM »

Sunday Morning 1-14 for Nov 18:
1. Alabama
2. Georgia
3. LSU
4. Florida
5. Miss State
6. Texas A&M
7. Kentucky
8. Missouri
9. Auburn
10. South Carolina
11. Tennessee
12. Vanderbilt
13. Ole Miss
14. Arkansas

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Re: Sunday Morning 1-14
« Reply #92 on: November 18, 2018, 08:49:29 PM »
Maybe we need to chill on the "Tennessee is already worth a damn" talk, huh?
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Re: Sunday Morning 1-14
« Reply #93 on: November 19, 2018, 08:13:23 AM »
I think about all anyone ever suggested is that they might be somewhere in that morass in the middle, but not "worth a damn".

They might also be a team that has a lot of "up-down" possibility in a single game.  Their good days are enough to beat Auburn on the road and their bad days are, well, bad enough to get blown out by Mizzou (which is another up-down kind of team).




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Re: Sunday Morning 1-14
« Reply #94 on: November 19, 2018, 10:24:27 AM »
By what logic could one rank Missouri, who clobbered Florida and played competitively against everyone except Alabama, be ranked 4 spaces below Florida?

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Re: Sunday Morning 1-14
« Reply #95 on: November 19, 2018, 10:29:10 AM »
Mizzou beat Purdue, who made some waves in the B1g, lost to USCe by 2 and UK by 1 and UGA by 14.

UGA had a blocked pun returned for a TD to their advantage and won the TO margin 3-1 and the game was in Columbia.  That is a respectable showing I think by Mizzou.  I felt like a break or two the other way and the Dawgs lose that one.

They did struggle a bit with Vandy, but won, and are 7-4, with Arky remaining.
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Re: Sunday Morning 1-14
« Reply #96 on: November 21, 2018, 12:06:40 AM »
By what logic could one rank Missouri, who clobbered Florida and played competitively against everyone except Alabama, be ranked 4 spaces below Florida?
You want to award them brownie points?
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Re: Sunday Morning 1-14
« Reply #97 on: November 21, 2018, 07:10:23 AM »
When a team is competitive in three of four losses and has 7 wins, some fairly impressive, it's not "brownie points", it is to note they appear to have a more impressive track record than teams ranked ahead of them.

They indeed have Georgia serious competition this year.  They could have won that game with a couple breaks.  

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Re: Sunday Morning 1-14
« Reply #98 on: November 21, 2018, 04:47:12 PM »
If you want to rank the teams based on what "could have" happened, feel free.
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Re: Sunday Morning 1-14
« Reply #99 on: November 21, 2018, 04:55:01 PM »
Florida vs
P5:  5-3
G5:  1-0
FCS:  2-0
Common Opponents:  3-2


Missouri vs
P5:  4-4
G5:  2-0
FCS:  1-0
Common Opponents:  2-3


Pretty close.  But look at the records of the West teams they play:
Florida 16-6
Missouri  13-9
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Re: Sunday Morning 1-14
« Reply #100 on: November 22, 2018, 07:42:36 AM »
If you want to rank the teams based on what "could have" happened, feel free.
If you want to rank the teams based on what "could have" happened, feel free.
This isn't what "could have been", but what actually happened on the field.
A team that has been competitive in four losses and has some nice wins is probably better than a team that has three bad losses and no impressive wins, or perhaps one.
Otherwise, one would be lazy and just line them all up by number of losses.
I'd take Mizzou neutral field over most of the SEC right now, not including the obvious top teams.  They would have a shot at LSU and a very good shot at MSU.
They could well end up 9-4, which would mean ranked somewhere around 15 or so.

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Re: Sunday Morning 1-14
« Reply #101 on: November 22, 2018, 01:29:15 PM »
Okay, but if you only rank teams based on who you'd pick to win now, you're ignoring early season results.  Isn't a mix of both early and recent results not a sound way to rank teams?
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Re: Sunday Morning 1-14
« Reply #102 on: November 23, 2018, 07:25:15 AM »
I didn't say I ranked teams on who would win now, though that is one method of so doing.

I consider close losses to be an indication that the team is "competitive", and close wins over bad opponents to be an indication that the team is perhaps not that good.

I don't think this Mizzou team is really any better or worse than they were in week one.  I think they are pretty good and have a decent shot at finishing ranked.

Of course they also COULD finish 7-6 and look entirely mediocre.

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Re: Sunday Morning 1-14
« Reply #103 on: November 23, 2018, 03:30:59 PM »
Ah, so you're a proponent of point differential then.  Welcome aboard!!!
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Re: Sunday Morning 1-14
« Reply #104 on: November 25, 2018, 12:20:31 AM »
Alright, based on last week's ranking:
1 beat 9
5 beat 13
8 beat 14
12 beat 11



Post Turkey Weekend:
1. Alabama
2. Georgia
3. LSU
4. Florida
5. Texas A&M
6. Missouri
7. Kentucky
8. Miss State
9. South Carolina
10. Auburn
11. Vanderbilt
12. Tennessee
13. Ole Miss
14. Arkansas
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Re: Sunday Morning 1-14
« Reply #105 on: November 25, 2018, 12:45:30 AM »
Yes, I posted this during the A&M/LSU game - they played to an even standstill.  Who wins is irrelevant, in terms of this ranking.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous."

 

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