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Topic: TCU vs Texas

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BrownCounty

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Re: TCU vs Texas
« Reply #60 on: September 28, 2018, 11:36:58 AM »
Ole Miss was good maybe 6 decades ago, and any more recent success has been of the cheating kind, so I don't consider them "quality" at all.
Other than their coeds, that is.

I'm not begrudging Mississippi to have at least one school in the SEC, and the school with The Grove wins.

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« Reply #61 on: September 28, 2018, 02:19:31 PM »
You might be suffering from some SECSECSEC bias there, my friend.
Obviously.  And you suffer from Big 12 bias.  Thus my appeal to neutral fans.  
I'll reiterate:  In general...absolutely.  I don't waste my time watching much MS teams either for a lot of my football watching years.  But Mullen and Freeze absolutely have had some humming offenses in those places, and like I said, both are gone now and it's easy to imagine both schools quickly going back to Must-Miss TV.  But for the moment Ole Miss has one of the best QBs in the league and country and 3 of the league's best WRs to boot.  They're "interesting" in a whole other way on defense....in the way that car wrecks are interesting and you can't look away.  Clanga has two of the best lines in the league and nation.  If line play is not your thing then I guess we're two different kinds of fans, but they've also had some nifty QBs who made for plenty exciting games.  I'd think as a Cowboys fan you understand the draw of a Dak Prescott at the college level.  
I don't claim they are PROGRAMS worth having around, only that they've had extremely watchable teams for a few years now.  I do fail to see how people can look at Texas Tech or Okie Lite and make any favorable comparisons.  Hell, Ole Miss basically IS a Big 12 team at the moment.  With worse defense this year, tho.....ugh.  

BrownCounty

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« Reply #62 on: September 28, 2018, 02:53:24 PM »
I do fail to see how people can look at Texas Tech or Okie Lite and make any favorable comparisons.

Don't get me to touting for Okie Lite... but I do believe they have graced the top 10 more in the last decade than Ole Miss and Miss St combined.

Or even top 25.

Top anything.

CousinFreddie

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« Reply #63 on: September 28, 2018, 05:58:40 PM »
FWIW, my secondary teams are places I went to school or worked at, plus the grad school of my lovely wifita.  So, Virginia, Georgia, Virginia Tech, and Oregon State ... at the D1 level anyway.  But, honestly, I don't really care what happens to any of these teams beyond when I look at the scores and come across who they're playing, and I have this mild little thing inside that says "oh yeah!" when they're ahead or have won, and "darn it" when they're behind or have lost, and then it's kind of instantly lost. 

It's not at all the same as that gut wrenching feeling of despair that happens when the Sooners hang an L, which lasts like up to maybe 24 hours before I manage to remember that it's only sports, and so aw f--- it, there's always next game/year.

MikeDeTiger

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« Reply #64 on: September 28, 2018, 07:52:33 PM »
Don't get me to touting for Okie Lite... but I do believe they have graced the top 10 more in the last decade than Ole Miss and Miss St combined.

Or even top 25.

Top anything.
It's like I'm talking and no sound must be coming out.
I'm not making PROGRAM comparisons.  At all.  If those are better programs with more blah blah blah, fine, I don't even care to verify it, I'm happy to agree with it.
All I'm saying is if people find Texas Tech and Okie Lite entertaining viewing (and I frequently do), then the Mississippi teams of the PAST FEW YEARS should be equally watchable.  I make no claims that they are MORE fun to view than the B12 schools.  I make no claims that their schools are in any way comparable or bring anything resembling the same thing to the conference.  I freely admit most of my football watching years have found me not caring one bit about the MS schools.  
I'm saying that they've been fun for a few years and I think people bagging on their boringness are either being B12 homers or else they've just missed the entertainment. 
I mean, I wouldn't skip a Top Ten match for them or anything like that, I'm just saying they're not Must-Miss TV as they have often been in years past.  They could return there at any time.  

BrownCounty

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« Reply #65 on: September 28, 2018, 08:58:41 PM »
No kidding, I don’t even get what you’re saying at this point.

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« Reply #66 on: September 28, 2018, 09:09:14 PM »
No kidding, I don’t even get what you’re saying at this point.
Mike I totally get it.  
Also, I'm not sure about that ranking deal with OM/MSU vs TT/OSU.  MSU has been in/out of the rankings a bunch for a few years as has MSU.  

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« Reply #67 on: September 28, 2018, 09:42:17 PM »
MDT, you're making the mistake of thinking that people here carefully read posts, think about them and then make logical replies.  Come on, man, that's just not how it works  ;)

Anyway, FWIW, those Missississississippippippi teams are pretty entertaining if you ask me.  I don't watch them very often, but when I do, they're pretty fun.

Now, not on your point but I'll throw this in anyway because I just wanna.  If/when those Miss teams get matched up with either Ok State or Tech in a bowl or a OOC game, I'd generally put my meager football wager on the Miss team (whichever one, as they kind of blur together from my point of view, although I know that's pure sacrilege in some quarters), pretty much by default
« Last Edit: September 28, 2018, 09:45:25 PM by CousinFreddie »

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« Reply #68 on: September 28, 2018, 11:53:24 PM »
It's like I'm talking and no sound must be coming out.
I'm not making PROGRAM comparisons.  At all.  If those are better programs with more blah blah blah, fine, I don't even care to verify it, I'm happy to agree with it.
All I'm saying is if people find Texas Tech and Okie Lite entertaining viewing (and I frequently do), then the Mississippi teams of the PAST FEW YEARS should be equally watchable.  I make no claims that they are MORE fun to view than the B12 schools.  I make no claims that their schools are in any way comparable or bring anything resembling the same thing to the conference.  I freely admit most of my football watching years have found me not caring one bit about the MS schools.  
I'm saying that they've been fun for a few years and I think people bagging on their boringness are either being B12 homers or else they've just missed the entertainment.
I mean, I wouldn't skip a Top Ten match for them or anything like that, I'm just saying they're not Must-Miss TV as they have often been in years past.  They could return there at any time.  
I'm really not sure what you're not getting???
You have a regional/conference reason to watch these teams and be interested in them.  Nobody outside the SEC does.  They might play interesting football and since your team plays them every year, that interests you.  I think ISU plays interesting football, and since my team plays them every year, I'm naturally going to be more interested in them.

It's not that I dislike the Mississippi teams, it's that I don't care at all about them.  They don't tick any of the boxes we listed above.  1) They're not my team 2) They're not teams my team plays, and 3) They're not bigtime national teams that would interest me outside of those two factors.   This seems pretty cut and dried and I really have no idea why you're attempting to insist that people that have no reason to care about Mississippi schools should simply acknowledge they're more interesting than teams YOU don't personally care about.  That's just a bizarre position to take IMO, no offense intended my old friend.

And, you may "appeal to neutrality" all you want, but you're most certainly not going to find it on a college football message board, I can guarantee you that! :)
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« Reply #69 on: September 29, 2018, 12:04:27 AM »

But yall are acting like the MS schools are like watching KU or ISU or something, and I don't think you're gonna find any neutral parties who agree.  
I mean, let's get back to the heart of your statement, and my opposition.  There it is right there ^^^^^^
So the question is, why do you think that?  What is the origin of that?

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« Reply #70 on: September 29, 2018, 12:12:06 AM »
Texas was offered in during the SEC's "original" expansion in 1992 that landed us Arkansas and South Carolina, but Texas and Texas A&M was at the top of their list.  They offered UT again when the SWC disbanded prior to 1996, and probably A&M as well, for all I know.  In 2011 when the PAC 10 made its move to form the PAC 16, the SEC immediately publicly offered UT, TAMU, and OU.  No proof I can point to that says Texas has a standing offer, but that's been the scuttle for a while, and the SEC's interest in Texas (and to a lesser extent OU) is well-documented.  
There was a bunch of stuff written (in 12th man magazine) back in the 90's when I was in school about A&M and the SEC.  Supposedly, the SEC wanted A&M and we wanted the SEC but state politics interfered and we went with the Big 12 along with Texas, Baylor, and Tech.  The gist of it was that a few powerful politicians, mainly Bob Bullock (Lt. Gov and Texas Tech Alum) and Ann Richards (Tx Gov and Baylor Alum) wanted their schools to be affiliated with a major conference and not suffer the same fate as TCU and UH.  I'm sure the SEC wanted UT as well during this time but I'm thinking UT always saw itself associated with a "different culture" aka more refined.
It has been suggested that Texas has always pined for the Pac-10 (or now Pac-12) due to how they perceive themselves culturally and academically.  In fact they pretty much had a deal to take both them and A&M back in 2010 or 2011.  As you can guess our leadership was never on-board with this move.  

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« Reply #71 on: September 29, 2018, 12:26:34 AM »
Your leadership was very much on-board with it, for a while.  But they did a double-take and decided to go a different direction, which was totally within their rights and also the correct thing to do for A&M, in my opinion anyway.

As for the SEC stuff and Texas, MDT explained it all pretty well.  Texas was "supposed" to go with Arkansas back in 1991/92.  Former Arkansas head coach, and then-current Arkansas AD Frank Broyles, who also happened to be a good friend of Texas coaching legend Saint Darrell Royal, was actually shocked when it didn't work out that way.  He thoroughly believed it was going to happen.  

As has been alluded to, the state legislature got involved and didn't want Texas to leave the remaining Texas-based members of the SWC high and dry.

Subsequently, in the 92/93 timeframe, Texas expressed interest in both the PAC and B1G,  and the interest was mutual, when UT's administrators saw the writing on the wall for the SWC based on the new "TV contract conference era."  Gigem is certainly correct that a lot of the suits considered UT to be more inline with the values of the B1G and PAC, compared to the SEC, however you choose to interpret that.

And simultaneously A&M was interested in the SEC.  But the Texas leg wasn't about to let the two teams leave the SWC.  

Interestingly enough, Ann Richards had zero to do with Baylor's inclusion in the B12.  Bob Bullock was extremely powerful and influential, and he had degrees from both Texas Tech AND Baylor.  It was completely his doing.  I have to respect how much that guy swung his weight around, he's among the most powerful politicians in Texas history, close behind LBJ and maybe a handful of others.




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« Reply #72 on: September 29, 2018, 12:40:52 AM »
I don’t why Amos gets so worked up when people imagine he’s saying something more relevant than he is and rebuts it.  

Program comparisons are relevant.

Saying if we stumbled across an Ole Miss or MSU game, we might be amused is a weak argument.

I’m amused by cats playing with crickets.

But I don’t want to be in a conference with cats and crickets and I’d get plenty incensed if somebody (and heaven knows it wouldn’t be you, Amos) tried to tell us cats and crickets are better conference mates than the Kansas schools.

Course, BC would probably try to split the difference and tell us the cat has earned the right but the cricket can go to hell.
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« Reply #73 on: October 01, 2018, 11:09:55 AM »
   This seems pretty cut and dried and I really have no idea why you're attempting to insist that people that have no reason to care about Mississippi schools should simply acknowledge they're MORE interesting than teams YOU don't personally care about.  
You missed it AGAIN.  Geez.  
Not at all what I said, but I give up.  Go start a beer or brisket thread.  

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« Reply #74 on: October 01, 2018, 11:18:21 AM »
I don’t why Amos gets so worked up when people imagine he’s saying something more relevant than he is and rebuts it.  
You Texas guys are shooting O-fer.  Clearly I did not get worked up about anyone's opinions about this, but admit to having then been worked up by certain sensative persons' complete and utter lack of understanding of what I'm actually saying.  Straw men and misconstruings abound, and my personality type does not handle that well, I concede.  I'm working on it.  
In the meantime, y'all could try reading and thoughtfully digesting what was said, but let's just wipe the slate clean on this one.  

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« Reply #75 on: October 01, 2018, 11:30:22 AM »
Thoughtfully digesting stuff that's said doesn't sound at ALL like what Al Gore invented the internet for, so I'm gonna have to politely decline my friend. :)

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« Reply #76 on: October 01, 2018, 11:41:53 AM »
In the meantime, y'all could try reading and thoughtfully digesting what was said

It made my brain hurt on the first pass, and I had no reason to believe a 2nd pass was going to clarify.

I've almost forgotten the subject matter anyway.  Something about Oklahoma State being more relevant than Mississippi State, which any sidewalk fan of the last decade knows.


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« Reply #77 on: October 01, 2018, 01:25:56 PM »
Amos often jousts irrelevant windmills on the periphery of engaging discussions others are having but I’m not sure when I’ve ever seen him get so worked up about it.

Could be he’s so happy in his marriage that his negativity has nowhere else to go.

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« Reply #78 on: October 01, 2018, 01:34:13 PM »
and hence the backporch does its job, saving marriages, like a virtual pressure cooker valve, one negative puff of steam at a time ...

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« Reply #79 on: October 01, 2018, 02:09:35 PM »
Did someone mention Oklahoma state?  I like oSu.  They are, after all, your 2011 college football national champions. 

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« Reply #80 on: October 05, 2018, 05:41:45 PM »

Did someone mention Oklahoma state?  
Not that I can see or recall.
Maybe you heard some vegan say, "Oh my hummus steak."

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« Reply #81 on: October 05, 2018, 05:51:29 PM »
i dated a vegan girl for a while in college, pretty sure she probably tried to convince me to eat hummus steak.

 

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