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Re: TCU vs Texas
« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2018, 04:47:31 PM »
Slightly back on topic but does anybody ever wonder about TCU's long-term benefit for the Big 12?

TCU has come darn close to obtaining helmet value in the last 10-15 years.  It sounds crazy to say.  Nationally they are known.  I credit Gary Patterson but I'm hoping Chris Del Conte had something to do with that as well.

As of now, TCU deserves P5 membership.  I mean, think about it, Wake Forest is P5.  Just being in the State of Texas allows schools like Baylor and TCU to be somewhat competitive.  If TCU was in Iowa it would have no chance.

I do believe that TCU/Baylor can still remain competitive for the longer haul, even if/when Texas rebounds.  It's a big state.  Granted, the SEC gets what it wants from Texas, and not just talking about A&M.  But it's a deep well.

Moderate CFB fans in Texas enjoy the matchups between Texas schools, so TCU helps out in that regard.  I know hardcore Aggies act disinterested but I know many Aggie girls that would enjoy playing Baylor and TCU, etc.  They're not caught up in the "screw you" drama, they just want something fun.  It's a solid point.

A&M is doing fine now as an SEC member, and I predict Jimbo will deliver.  However, an A&M vs. Miss State matchup doesn't hold a candle to A&M vs. Texas Tech.  I can enjoy A&M vs LSU, and A&M vs. Arkansas, but once it starts stretching beyond that, I don't care much.

Regional football is more passionate, and more fun.  We'll see what happens when this current Big XII contract plays out, I'll bet Del Conte pulls off something awesome.

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« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2018, 07:27:07 PM »
Agree with you BC.

When Gigem says he'll watch TCU play OU or Texas, but not any lesser team, I get that, and that's fine.  

But the flipside is that all of the fans of other schools in Texas feel the same way about A&M.  They might watch A&M play Alabama or LSU, but none of them give a rat's ass about A&M playing Ole Miss or Miss State or Arkansas or Kentucky.

So generally, fans watch big games, and they don't watch non-big-games, unless it's their own team.  

Not sure about long term, but over the past 7 years since A&M left the B12 and TCU joined it,  TCU has been better than A&M at football and baseball, and has had some success in basketball as well.

Personally I like the UT-TAMU rivalry and I wish the Ags hadn't left, but nationally, the  B12 has actually been more competitive and better off with the Frogs, rather than the Aggies.

If the Aggies are happy in the SEC, good for them, I guess it worked out ok for all parties.


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« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2018, 10:36:56 PM »
From a Sooner perspective, playing TCU is as tough as any other school in Texas, including A&M, in the years of the XII.  They’ve always played OU tough, going way back before the XII, although Texas is still by far the game you want to win and the most talented team from the state.  Generally speaking.  But TCU has always been tough.  Outside the region they may be seen otherwise, and certainly aren’t a known helmet, but I respect the hell out of them.  The little School that could.

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« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2018, 12:22:50 AM »

So generally, fans watch big games, and they don't watch non-big-games, unless it's their own team.  
Almost, for me.  I'll watch nearly every SEC west game I can, no matter how small.  We play all of them, so that sort of makes them interesting, and also I value my personal projections, and as I've endeavored to learn more X's and O's the past few years, I can anticipate the matchups and how teams will try to attack/defend us, and often times have a pretty good read on what will happen.  
When nothing else is on, I'm happy to watch another game featuring non-big teams from somewhere else.  But usually a big game from ooc is on or else some SEC action is happening, and I just can't skip that for Kansas vs. Iowa State.  

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« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2018, 12:26:17 AM »
I get what you're saying about TCU but what I am trying to say is that right now TCU is in the best period of their entire history.  Yes, TCU is a much better football member of the Big 12 than A&M when we were there*.  

They entered the Big 12 just as Texas was beginning a dip, Tech is no longer the program they were under Leach, Neb, A&M, CU, and Mizzou are gone.  They are competitive with every team in the conference and also do very well nationally but what about in say 10 years when Patterson is no longer there?  

Every fan on here knows, even with all the money in the world, great facilities, and great fan support just how hard it is to stay at the top.  ECFG's will strike, and probably sooner than later.  

Baylor being mentioned as competitive exactly makes my point.  For about the first 20 years of the conference they were terrible, simply atrocious.  Remember the game where they were winning and went for a garbage time score to "demonstrate toughness" and fumbled the ball, other team recovered and went 99 yards for the score and the win?  

Wake Forest may be Power 5, but they don't deserve it and yes I know we lost to them last year.  It took Baylor 20 years and a coach that pretty much sold his soul to the devil to start winning and even this was while the Big 12 was fairly down.  

Oh, and I'm glad you liked watching A&M vs. Tech, it was usually a good match-up, but there were many years the game didn't make it on TV (but Iowa St/Kansas did).  A&M vs. Miss St always makes it on TV.  Tell me there wasn't something wrong with that.  

What does TCU bring to the conference once they suck at football?  Heck, they don't even have T-Shirt fans when they're winning.  
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« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2018, 08:12:34 AM »
Almost, for me.  I'll watch nearly every SEC west game I can, no matter how small.  We play all of them, so that sort of makes them interesting, and also I value my personal projections, and as I've endeavored to learn more X's and O's the past few years, I can anticipate the matchups and how teams will try to attack/defend us, and often times have a pretty good read on what will happen.  
When nothing else is on, I'm happy to watch another game featuring non-big teams from somewhere else.  But usually a big game from ooc is on or else some SEC action is happening, and I just can't skip that for Kansas vs. Iowa State.  
Sure.  And because we play both Kansas and Iowa State, I'm far more likely to watch that game than Ole Miss vs. Miss State.
You're basically saying the same thing.  Fans tend to pay attention to 1) their own team 2) teams that they play regularly 3) big games not involving their own team or teams they play regularly.  

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« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2018, 08:18:08 AM »
I get what you're saying about TCU but what I am trying to say is that right now TCU is in the best period of their entire history.  Yes, TCU is a much better football member of the Big 12 than A&M when we were there*.  

They entered the Big 12 just as Texas was beginning a dip, Tech is no longer the program they were under Leach, Neb, A&M, CU, and Mizzou are gone.  They are competitive with every team in the conference and also do very well nationally but what about in say 10 years when Patterson is no longer there?  

Every fan on here knows, even with all the money in the world, great facilities, and great fan support just how hard it is to stay at the top.  ECFG's will strike, and probably sooner than later.  

Baylor being mentioned as competitive exactly makes my point.  For about the first 20 years of the conference they were terrible, simply atrocious.  Remember the game where they were winning and went for a garbage time score to "demonstrate toughness" and fumbled the ball, other team recovered and went 99 yards for the score and the win?  

Wake Forest may be Power 5, but they don't deserve it and yes I know we lost to them last year.  It took Baylor 20 years and a coach that pretty much sold his soul to the devil to start winning and even this was while the Big 12 was fairly down.  

Oh, and I'm glad you liked watching A&M vs. Tech, it was usually a good match-up, but there were many years the game didn't make it on TV (but Iowa St/Kansas did).  A&M vs. Miss St always makes it on TV.  Tell me there wasn't something wrong with that.  

What does TCU bring to the conference once they suck at football?  Heck, they don't even have T-Shirt fans when they're winning.  

You're not really acknowledging that there are cycles to football.  Baylor was actually pretty good in the SWC long before the B12 existed.  And TCU's last national championship in football was just one year before A&M's national championship in football.
So I guess my answer is, if/when TCU regresses to the mean, they will bring no less than the Aggies did through 100 years of SWC football and 15 years of B12 football.
And in the meantime, they've brought a lot more than the Aggies ever did to the B12.
We get it-- you're bagging on the B12.  It seems to be an Aggie pass-time so no surprises there. You're delighted to play the Mississippi schools in the SEC.  That's cool.  Outside of Aggies, nobody in Texas gives a crap about Mississippi schools, but if you want to watch them play, then that's cool for you.
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« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2018, 09:11:28 AM »
no one outside the SEC cares about the Mississippi schools
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« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2018, 11:40:46 AM »
The university I attended has a football team now but since they didn’t when I was there, it’s hard to connect.

As an Austinite, Texas has always been my favorite local “pro” baseball, football & basketball team.

(Do like the ‘Stros and Spurs. Try to like the Cowboys).

Rice is my pet team.

I’m anxiously awaiting my assigned team as my son entertains Div 2 offers/opportunities.

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« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2018, 12:05:32 PM »
You're not really acknowledging that there are cycles to football.  Baylor was actually pretty good in the SWC long before the B12 existed.  And TCU's last national championship in football was just one year before A&M's national championship in football.
So I guess my answer is, if/when TCU regresses to the mean, they will bring no less than the Aggies did through 100 years of SWC football and 15 years of B12 football.
And in the meantime, they've brought a lot more than the Aggies ever did to the B12.
We get it-- you're bagging on the B12.  It seems to be an Aggie pass-time so no surprises there. You're delighted to play the Mississippi schools in the SEC.  That's cool.  Outside of Aggies, nobody in Texas gives a crap about Mississippi schools, but if you want to watch them play, then that's cool for you.
Ah, but I am acknowledging cycles to football, and when the inevitable happens what does TCU bring to the conference?  And when you say they will bring "no less than the Aggies did through 100 years of SWC football and 15 years of B12 football" I couldn't disagree with you more.  

I guess it is shame that TCU didn't get the nod over Baylor in the mid-90's but looking at their record for the 20 or so years before that it's easy to see why.  

I'd like to think I'm not bagging the B12 at all, rather I'm bagging TCU.  You won't see me make this argument about WVU even though they're not nearly as strong of a program over the last few years as TCU.  I thought then as I do now that WVU brings a lot to the B12 even if they're football team isn't the best.  

I'm ambivalent at best about the Mississippi schools.  To me they are the equivalent of Ok St or Iowa St.  
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« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2018, 12:35:55 PM »
Sometimes even that prescribed order changes for me.  Don't tell anybody, but if we have a scrub game I have occasionally recorded it and watched a big game elsewhere instead.  In week two we played SELA which didn't interest me as much as Clemson/A&M.  Now I know you're probably thinking "A&M is in your division," but the same would have held true for TCU/Ohio State.  Way more interesting.

As fot what TCU brings, I recall utee making comments on the old board about how the Big 12 should have zero interest in adding them because they add no market and no interest.  So it's hard to reconcile this new position that they are a big positive contributor.  Tons more Aggies turning on TVs and spending $$....but maybe we're talking about on-field performance?  Which, honestly is not the first thing to cross my mind when considering what a team brings.  Texas has been bad this entire decade and it'd still be exciting to have them in our conference, and the SEC would buy a free round of drinks and hookers for everyone if UT would join it.  And they they wouldn't have to get a lick better, or bring more to the league on the field. 

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« Reply #41 on: September 26, 2018, 01:20:27 PM »
Sometimes even that prescribed order changes for me.  Don't tell anybody, but if we have a scrub game I have occasionally recorded it and watched a big game elsewhere instead.  In week two we played SELA which didn't interest me as much as Clemson/A&M.  Now I know you're probably thinking "A&M is in your division," but the same would have held true for TCU/Ohio State.  Way more interesting.

As fot what TCU brings, I recall utee making comments on the old board about how the Big 12 should have zero interest in adding them because they add no market and no interest.  So it's hard to reconcile this new position that they are a big positive contributor.  Tons more Aggies turning on TVs and spending $$....but maybe we're talking about on-field performance?  Which, honestly is not the first thing to cross my mind when considering what a team brings.  Texas has been bad this entire decade and it'd still be exciting to have them in our conference, and the SEC would buy a free round of drinks and hookers for everyone if UT would join it.  And they they wouldn't have to get a lick better, or bring more to the league on the field.
You must be thinking of someone else?  I never said those things about TCU.  I don't love TCU by any means, they were cockroaches 50 years ago and they're cockroaches now.  And it's true that they didn't bring any new television sets to the conference then, or now.  But, nobody else that the B12 could realistically add would bring more TV sets either, so that was not a consideration at the time they were brought in. They weren't brought in to increase television ratings, they were brought in with the sole intent to plug the gap left behind by the departing Aggies.
So to be completely clear-- My position in 2010/2011,  when the Aggies decided to leave the B12, was that the B12 needed to offset the loss of that Texas school, by adding another Texas school.  For better or worse, a large part of the identity of the B12 is its "Texas-ness."  Not every high school recruit in the state is going to get recruited by helmet teams like Texas or Oklahoma or Alabama, in fact the vast majority of them will not.  A ton of those next-tier kids are going to end up at Baylor or TCU or Texas Tech or Oklahoma State (which is effectively a Texas school via proximity and its B12 affiliation).  So maintaining mindshare within the state of Texas-- maintaining a focus among those kids on football within the state of Texas, and offering them another B12 option within the state-- was of paramount importance to the conference.
TCU just happened to be the best available Texas school at that time. They had built a solid program and had won some big games.  They were really the only choice to replace A&M, given that we knew NOBODY we could realistically convince to join the conference was going to help with TV eyeballs.
People argued with me ad infinitum about my position on the importance of retaining the "Texas-ness" of the conference, and it's certainly possible I'm incorrect about that,  but I absolutely DID argue in favor of bringing in TCU, after the Aggies departed.

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« Reply #42 on: September 26, 2018, 01:26:32 PM »
Ah, but I am acknowledging cycles to football, and when the inevitable happens what does TCU bring to the conference?  And when you say they will bring "no less than the Aggies did through 100 years of SWC football and 15 years of B12 football" I couldn't disagree with you more.  

I guess it is shame that TCU didn't get the nod over Baylor in the mid-90's but looking at their record for the 20 or so years before that it's easy to see why.  

I'd like to think I'm not bagging the B12 at all, rather I'm bagging TCU.  You won't see me make this argument about WVU even though they're not nearly as strong of a program over the last few years as TCU.  I thought then as I do now that WVU brings a lot to the B12 even if they're football team isn't the best.  

I'm ambivalent at best about the Mississippi schools.  To me they are the equivalent of Ok St or Iowa St.  
Yes, of course you disagree with me about the value that the Aggies brought to the B12, and the SWC before it.  You're an Aggie.  :)
Regardless, I'm very much on record as wishing the Aggies were still in the B12 conference.  If they were, then TCU never would have been added.  
But the Aggies decided to leave, and the B12 needed another Texas school, and TCU was by far the best option at the time (and has remained so).    

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« Reply #43 on: September 26, 2018, 01:45:31 PM »
Gotta remember, a lot of the years when the little guys sucked is back in the days of unlimited scholarships and such.  If Patterson left TCU, it is very conceivable that another coach could bring them back.

The biggest requirements for success are exposure and location.  TCU gets both right now.  Size of student body (or stadium size) is not the factor it was decades ago.

Texas Tech (for example) has a hard time due to location.  If anyone is behind the 8-ball in these parts, it's them.  TCU and Baylor can do fine with P5 exposure and DFW/I-35 location.

All games are on TV now.  Not just the helmet schools.

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« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2018, 03:13:36 PM »
All good points. I agree that football wise nobody was better than tcu and they made the most sense. 

It’s strange but I kinda like tcu and they are one of the teams I will watch. They are usually disciplined and play well no matter the opponent. I’m not sure how many other schools have had as much success as they have except maybe Boise st. 

I just wonder if they will be able to keep the program up once Patterson is gone. 


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« Reply #45 on: September 26, 2018, 03:21:14 PM »
That's fair.  I have no idea.  Programs like TCU obviously have fewer advantages than helmet schools, but that hasn't stopped them from being significantly better than Texas over the past decade.  And several other helmets having down time over similar periods, too.




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« Reply #46 on: September 26, 2018, 06:28:17 PM »
You must be thinking of someone else? 
No, I'm pretty sure it was you.  But this was before the conference realignment stuff in 2011.  This was back sometime when I was living in the area, so '09 or earlier.  Aggies were not a candidate for departure as far as I know at the time, and we were probably just spitballing about the B12 adding teams if the SuperConference Wars started, or something.  In fact, now that I think about it, I've asked you this before a few years ago, remembering that same conversation, and you said that whole dialog had to do with the B12 not needing any more Texas exposure than UT, TAMU, Tech, and Baylor already brought it, and that you didn't change your opinion so much as the position of the Big 12 changed with a handful of teams departing.  
I'm getting old, I'm starting to repeat myself yourself.

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« Reply #47 on: September 26, 2018, 10:40:17 PM »
Well before all the dearly departed left for other conferences, I certainly never thought the B12 needed to expand, but that's true of TCU or anyone else.  So I suppose that's consistent with what you remember.

And even after Nebraska and Colorado left, I didn't think those schools necessarily needed to be replaced with Texas schools.

But, specifically, when A&M left, then I asserted strongly and often, that the replacement needed to be a Texas school.  And TCU was really the only logical choice at that point, due to their program-building and recent success.


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« Reply #48 on: September 27, 2018, 09:30:22 AM »
Conference wise, something good is probably coming for Texas.  Del Conte is nothing like DeLoss Dodds.

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« Reply #49 on: September 27, 2018, 11:39:12 AM »
I grew up on the Southwest Conference. Loved it, hated it, understood why it couldn’t last.

I loved the original Big 12 and I think it’s a shame it didn’t last.

I’m a Texas fan but I try to be honest and objective rather than an apologist so I believe Texas’ (and others) flirting with the then called PAC-10 started the reactions that led to the defections and replacements.

As far as ideal conference mates go, I think you need a balance between large fan bases, close proximity, historical relevance and en vogue buzz.  You can’t always hit all of those measures so you have to give up one to get another. You just need to make sure other teams balance things out.

What’s a damn shame is when politics get involved and tell you that you have to include Baylor instead of UofH (to the Big 12) or instead of Colorado (to the PAC 10).

Also, I’m not opposed to schools that that need to grow up.

Texas Tech, Arizona and Arizona State are not schools that were in major conferences from the 1910s through the 1950s (or even in the 60s for the Arizona schools) but major conferences saw their potential and fattened them up.

Schools with big enrollments in nice markets (like UCF & USF) have that kind of growth potential.

As for the motion that Mississippi schools are somehow better than Kansas schools just because of their conference affiliation is just a bunch of bull.

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« Reply #50 on: September 27, 2018, 12:11:34 PM »
The whole Texas A&M/SEC thing is still odd to me, and I'm not sure how long that's gonna take to wear off.  When it comes to Aggies and LSU, that doesn't phase me in the least because that game was played all the time when I was a kid, and it's definitely a regional match, so it checks all the boxes in my brain.  But I have yet to get used to watching Aggie play Alabama, Auburn, Clanga, etc.  Something is just off about that.  

Maybe it's because I lived in Texas and I know the average Texan's mentality about being a Texan, and that it kinda clashes with the prevailing Southern mentality, except Louisiana.  Louisiana has a kind of diet-version of the Texas complex.  People from Louisiana can often be pretty into themselves being from Louisiana.  The rest the South, far as I can tell, are more into being Southerners rather than being from a specific state.  So when A&M rolls into town thumping their chest because BY GOD WE'RE FROM TEXAS, LSU kinda neatly matches that ethos with WELL BY GUMBO, WE'RE FROM LOUISIANA WANNA START SOMETHING?  When A&M goes to or hosts one of these other schools and says BY GOD WE'RE FROM TEXAS, those schools are like "Huh?  Ok.  We're from the South, I reckon.  Er...nice to meet you?"  

But mostly I think it's just weird watching A&M play a bunch of schools there's no history with, and not playing schools there's a ton of history with.  I remember watching the annual UT/TAMU games as far back as they were on TV in my lifetime, and it's weird not to see it anymore.  

Oh well, times change.  They're our problem now, I guess, for better or for worse.  I do hope the the UT game is resumed one day as an annual ooc match.  And who knows what the future holds.  The SEC is unlikely to stop courting UT, and who knows, one day maybe the 4th or 5th time will be the charm.  

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« Reply #51 on: September 27, 2018, 02:55:54 PM »
The SEC is unlikely to stop courting UT, and who knows, one day maybe the 4th or 5th time will be the charm.

The problem is that while Texas and Oklahoma might fill out the SEC quite nicely, schools like Villanova, oops, I mean Vanderbilt, have no business there while Texas Tech and Oklahoma State get left out.

It's not like the SEC doesn't have it's own chopping block material.  2 schools from Mississippi?  Pfffft.

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« Reply #52 on: September 27, 2018, 04:31:29 PM »
Did I miss something?  I’ve never heard anything about Texas joining the SEC?  in fact I’m not sure that would happen. Not because they aren’t an attractive program, because they are, but because the sec doesn’t need another top 10 program. 14 teams is already unwieldy as it is. 

If that happens the sec might as well try to get a few more teams and split off into its own league and get rid of the ncaa. 

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« Reply #53 on: September 27, 2018, 05:13:31 PM »
Supposedly Texas has a standing offer.

Also, Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, Kentucky and A&M supposedly have a gentlemen’s agreement to collectively block the entry of a second school from any of their states.

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« Reply #54 on: September 27, 2018, 05:37:43 PM »
Did I miss something?  I’ve never heard anything about Texas joining the SEC?  in fact I’m not sure that would happen. Not because they aren’t an attractive program, because they are, but because the sec doesn’t need another top 10 program. 14 teams is already unwieldy as it is.

If that happens the sec might as well try to get a few more teams and split off into its own league and get rid of the ncaa.
Texas was offered in during the SEC's "original" expansion in 1992 that landed us Arkansas and South Carolina, but Texas and Texas A&M was at the top of their list.  They offered UT again when the SWC disbanded prior to 1996, and probably A&M as well, for all I know.  In 2011 when the PAC 10 made its move to form the PAC 16, the SEC immediately publicly offered UT, TAMU, and OU.  No proof I can point to that says Texas has a standing offer, but that's been the scuttle for a while, and the SEC's interest in Texas (and to a lesser extent OU) is well-documented.  

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Re: TCU vs Texas
« Reply #55 on: September 27, 2018, 05:47:19 PM »
You guys are way harsh on the Mississippi schools.  From a program standpoint, sure, who gives a crap.  From a watchability standpoint, they're pretty easy on the attention span.  In general, no they're not, and I fully agree, total snooze-fest.  But since Hugh Freeze took Ole Miss and Dan Mullen's second half of his tenure at Clanga, those have been some fun offenses to watch.  I mean, who doesn't like good QBs, crazy NFL WR talent, and lots of passing?  I mean, that's basically the Big 12 South when there was divisions.  It remains to be seen how long these teams stay watchable without Freeze and Mullen at said schools, but if you skip them based on brand alone, that's unfortunate.  You can't claim Okie State is interesting and the MS schools are duds lately.  Too much the same thing.  

K-State is also quality viewing, those guys are fun to watch so long as Snyder is there.  Nothing like seeing a bunch of 2 and 3 star kids play so well and fundamentally sound together that they consistently punch above their weight class.  That's good stuff.  

But yall are acting like the MS schools are like watching KU or ISU or something, and I don't think you're gonna find any neutral parties who agree.  

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Re: TCU vs Texas
« Reply #56 on: September 27, 2018, 06:58:14 PM »
You might be suffering from some SECSECSEC bias there, my friend.

The Mississippi schools are exactly like ISU and Kansas.  Actually, ISU is more fun to watch than the Mississippi schools IMO.  They play some pretty solid ball, respective to the talent they have available to them, and they do it without the... ahem... complications... that the Hugh Freezes of the world tends to bring along with them.  I mean, even Baylor got into the Top 10 fairly regularly when they were cheating.  But cheating to win doesn't make your football more interesting.

Kansas sucks for sure, but we keep 'em around for basketball, obviously.
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Re: TCU vs Texas
« Reply #57 on: September 27, 2018, 08:18:57 PM »
If that happens the sec might as well try to get a few more teams and split off into its own league and get rid of the ncaa.
Ding! Ding! Ding!

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Re: TCU vs Texas
« Reply #58 on: September 27, 2018, 08:23:18 PM »
But yall are acting like the MS schools are like watching KU or ISU or something, and I don't think you're gonna find any neutral parties who agree.  
Let me be clear on my stance - I think Ole Miss is quality SEC material.  Miss St?  Meh.

But the thing is - the whole state of Mississippi is a colossal dump about the size of the Houston metro area.  And it gets 2 schools in the SEC?

Nah.  Not worthy.

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Re: TCU vs Texas
« Reply #59 on: September 28, 2018, 08:22:49 AM »
Let me be clear on my stance - I think Ole Miss is quality SEC material.  Miss St?  Meh.

But the thing is - the whole state of Mississippi is a colossal dump about the size of the Houston metro area.  And it gets 2 schools in the SEC?

Nah.  Not worthy.
Ole Miss was good maybe 6 decades ago, and any more recent success has been of the cheating kind, so I don't consider them "quality" at all.
Other than their coeds, that is.

 

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