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utee94

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« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2018, 08:11:20 PM »
And as always, many thanks for your service!

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« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2018, 09:15:36 PM »

Eh
Like I said...
The world is full of stupid people with stupid notions who get butt hurt over stupid things.

Meanwhile the truly machiavellian ones just love the distractions.

I'd rather live, let live, mind my own business and talk football.


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« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2018, 03:19:45 PM »
In my opinion.....

The real world is not simple enough for blanket statements.  

There are many situations where people would be wise and well-served to mind their own business, to live and let live.

There are also notable times in history when bad, bad things happened and the wrong men amassed way too much power and influence due to too many people minding their own business, living and letting live.  I believe there are times when assertions and interference is warranted.  I make no claims that this national anthem business is such a time....only that such times, circumstances, and topics exist.  

I'm reminded of the Edmund Burke quote, "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."  There's some wisdom there, and that statement has both haunted and guided me over the years.  

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« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2018, 04:21:25 PM »
Wise words Mike.  I tend to agree with Hooky's sentiment in general, but you make a good point that there are times when we need to resist egregious abuses and power grabs, and act on that Popeye quote of

"that's all I can stands, and I can't stands no more"

CharleyHorse46

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« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2018, 05:44:40 PM »
In my opinion.....

The real world is not simple enough for blanket statements.  

There are many situations where people would be wise and well-served to mind their own business, to live and let live.
Words of wisdom as always, Amos. I can only add that your points would be 13% more compelling if you hadn’t used blanket statements to make them.

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« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2018, 05:48:07 PM »
Wise words Mike.  I tend to agree with Hooky's sentiment in general, but you make a good point that there are times when we need to resist egregious abuses and power grabs, and act on that Popeye quote of

"that's all I can stands, and I can't stands no more"
The hard part is knowing when you’re really standing up against the Nazis to protect the Jews and when you’re just picking nits like the guy who irked you.

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« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2018, 10:02:40 PM »
it's not that hard

most are just picking nits in my opinion
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2018, 11:08:25 PM »
The hard part is knowing when you’re really standing up against the Nazis to protect the Jews and when you’re just picking nits like the guy who irked you.
Agreed.  And the Nazis/Jews are a good example of the pitfalls, because it wasn't a swift power grab.  Things in Germany never radically shifted one day while a madman took over the country.  No, it was an extremely gradual thing in which citizens failed to notice the little things happening day by day--or maybe not even that fast, maybe month by month, or less--and slowly handed over their country and culture to a lunatic and his band of thugs.  
I tend to err on the side of caution, by which I mean I'm generally not one to keep my head down and hush up.  I'm always trying to figure out what issues might be truly harmless and which ones could be problematic and we're just not seeing it yet.  Talking about it is my way of engaging and muddling through it to arrive at an opinion, and that sometimes makes me tiresome to the live and let live/head down crowd.  
I bet a guy like you would never eat at Bikinis with a guy like me.  
It reminds me of when I was a teenager in karate lessons and one of the teachers would do this exercise from time to time, I forget exactly what his point was.  He would get in stance and kind of do the boxing dance/hop with mildly exaggerated motions with his shoulders, fists, everything....and your job was to defend yourself.  He didn't do anything past your skill level, and when he would strike, you tended to handle it pretty well.  And then he would reach out a hand much slower, no faster than you'd normally reach for something, and it never failed for the people who hadn't seen it before.....unimpeded, he'd push us violently and knock us on our ass.  Something about how when your brain is in the mode of looking only for the quick, overt, vicious strikes, we were fine.  When something much slower happened, it confused us, like "surely something else is going on here, this can't be an attack," and I made zero effort to evade his arm.  On the ground I wondered how that sumbitch had just waylaid me in about the dumbest way possible.  I didn't feel any less dumb when I saw it keep happening to other people, only less alone.  

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« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2018, 11:18:47 PM »

I bet a guy like you would never eat at Bikinis with a guy like me.  
he seems to almost enjoy eating at BoneDaddy's with me
so, never seems to be a strong term
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2018, 09:12:57 AM »
I've never been to a Bikinis, Twin Peaks, Tilted Kilt, or any of those other breastaurants.  Only Hooters and Bonedaddy's, as far as I can tell.

On the most recent trip I made to Hooters, one of the waitresses caught my eye, not because she was beautiful, which she was, but because she looked familiar.  I probably stared at her way too much, although she didn't seem to notice because I assume men stare at her all day long, but then finally it clicked.  She looked almost exactly like a girl I used to date, back in college.

That old girlfriend of mine is now obviously a grown woman, a couple years younger than I am, and we are Facebook friends.  She's still beautiful, and so is her daughter, who was the Hooters waitress I was staring at.

I have not been back to Hooters since.  I don't have anything against it, but it definitely sort of weirded me out.

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« Reply #40 on: August 11, 2018, 09:33:47 AM »
brother drug me to a place near Arlington called Redneck Heaven

wasn't heavenly and I usually enjoy breastaurants

won't be going back
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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« Reply #41 on: August 11, 2018, 01:13:12 PM »
Every girl I've ever ogled or made out with is somebody's daughter.  The older I get, the weirder that gets to think about. 

I think I'm settling down about the right time.  I haven't stopped noticing beautiful women, but I have lost a lot of the lack of concern it often took to get them.  

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« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2018, 03:04:05 PM »
I believe offensive creeps will demean people (women included) wherever they are - be it a club, a workplace or even church.
And I believe kindly souls who practice the golden rule will treat people (especially women) with dignity and respect wherever they are - whether it’s home or a club or even a brothel.
So it’s not about the venue or the role.  It’s about the attitude.
Kindness shouldn’t switch off when we’re behind the wheel, stressed out, at a bachelor’s party or in Vegas.
I will admit I had a moment of reflection the first time I realized I was getting a table dance from a 2nd generation dancer whose mom I had lived with the year before she was born.  But hey. The child still has bills to pay and which is better spending six minutes with someone who is kindly disposed to kiss her on the cheek and be done with her?  Or some obsessed freakazoid stalker?
For great experiences waitresses and dancers should choose me every time.  I’m a nice guy and a big tipper.  And I treat everybody with the same detached interest and respect.
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utee94

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« Reply #43 on: August 12, 2018, 01:50:51 AM »
^^^^

Spoken like a true father of only sons and not daughters.

I'm not judging, heaven forbid, but you just can't possibly know, until you know.

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« Reply #44 on: August 12, 2018, 09:51:25 AM »
I'm a father of only daughters and not sons.

And I don't miss too many opportunities to tell Hooky to keep his son's away from my daughters, but I do agree with his post above.
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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« Reply #45 on: September 16, 2018, 12:50:04 AM »
personally, i swore to defend the United States and the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic.  That Constitution begins with the first ten amendments, which is the Bill of Rights, and which describes the protection of individual freedoms, not to be infringed, and regardless of what the majority opinion is... it's what sets us apart and makes this country great.  
i've no problem with individuals exercising their individual rights and though i strongly disagree with them they have that right and it's something we should all be proud of.  i DO have a problem with 'organizing' such an activity.... if someone wants to make a statement, good on them... if someone wants to pressure others into making statements it smells too much like mob rule- and this is the line the NFL flirted with then crossed a few times while seeking some appeasement of both sides...
if you stand for nothing you'll fall for anything.  this is their 'rights'.  i don't mind telling them i disagree with them while applauding their actions in principle.  
I have struggled with this taking a knee thing, and I have not completely formed hard opinions about it. I am not particularly upset about it. I think we probably should avoid talking politics on the basketball court, or on the football field, and generally avoid it in the workplace. On the other hand some issues may become so important public positions should be taken. Reasonable time, place and manner expressions. Is the football field controlled by your employer for a few hours on Saturday or Sunday the place to do this?
Arguably, at a public university it may be more appropriate than while in the employment of a private employer.

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« Reply #46 on: September 16, 2018, 01:36:59 PM »
Reading a few posts here, I'm happy to know there are some reasonable people on the board.

One little thing I have a question about though after reading some posts...

I was under the impression that if you got "offended" by things you were considered a snowflake. Is that not the case in this situation? 

Asking for a friend...   

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« Reply #47 on: September 16, 2018, 01:45:41 PM »
Reading a few posts here, I'm happy to know there are some reasonable people on the board.
I'm not sure that is a reasonable assumption.

CharleyHorse46

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« Reply #48 on: September 16, 2018, 03:35:18 PM »
Reading a few posts here, I'm happy to know there are some reasonable people on the board.

One little thing I have a question about though after reading some posts...

I was under the impression that if you got "offended" by things you were considered a snowflake. Is that not the case in this situation?

Asking for a friend...  

;)
Ironic, isn’t it?
In life there are tangible issues and intangible ones.  
As long as certain people can stir up fear and umbrage about the intangible ones they can distract attention away from the tangible ones.

 

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