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Offline Hawkinole

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« Reply #150 on: February 03, 2018, 12:18:34 AM »
It is potentially hurtful to an investigation to have an Attorney General probing sexual abuse issues in a highly public way while running for governor. Here is a quotable quote if there ever were one:

“What you have is an attorney general running for governor,” said John Truscott, speaking on behalf on the new president, former Michigan Gov. John Engler.

Almost makes your head spin how politically charged this could become. Is the investigator trying to help his campaign and get publicity for it? Or, he is ferreting out crime. I am not so sure there is crime to ferret out here. What is needed is an independent outside investigation for the public to have confidence in it, under the circumstances. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michigan-ag-has-police-seize-evidence-msu-over-nassar-scandal-n844331

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« Reply #151 on: February 03, 2018, 01:48:33 PM »
Wasn't that the issue in the Duke lacrosse scandal too?  I seem to recall something about the political ambitions of the DA there.

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« Reply #152 on: February 03, 2018, 02:31:47 PM »
Heh, Nancy Grace et al were just relentless with the Duke Lacrosse case. Nonstop, for like six months. Then when it all turned out to be BS, they quietly moved onto the next hot button topic without so much as an apology. 
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« Reply #153 on: February 03, 2018, 02:41:54 PM »
Heh, Nancy Grace et al were just relentless with the Duke Lacrosse case. Nonstop, for like six months. Then when it all turned out to be BS, they quietly moved onto the next hot button topic without so much as an apology.
I have no use for that woman.

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« Reply #154 on: February 03, 2018, 03:36:34 PM »
Just looking at the Nassar coverage it's nuts how obviously biased all of even the mainstream media is.

CBS focuses more on the Olympic side, as does FOX, who is more and more in bed with MSU and the Big Ten.

While NBC, with their Olympic coverage starting next week, and ABC, and their ties to ESPN, has covered the MSU side more.

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« Reply #155 on: February 03, 2018, 03:39:48 PM »
Just looking at the Nassar coverage it's nuts how obviously biased all of even the mainstream media is.

CBS focuses more on the Olympic side, as does FOX, who is more and more in bed with MSU and the Big Ten.

While NBC, with their Olympic coverage starting next week, and ABC, and their ties to ESPN, has covered the MSU side more.
And I'm not diving into political biases, nor am I interested in going there, there's another board for that, I just mean the other business interests of all of these media conglomerates.

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« Reply #156 on: February 09, 2018, 10:51:11 AM »
Heh, Nancy Grace et al were just relentless with the Duke Lacrosse case. Nonstop, for like six months. Then when it all turned out to be BS, they quietly moved onto the next hot button topic without so much as an apology.
Al Shapton, quite literally, stood on a podium in front of the Durham Co courthouse with his arm around the alleged 'victim' and destroyed those boys.  
He certainly never came back to apologize, even privately, after it was all over.  

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« Reply #157 on: February 09, 2018, 10:52:11 AM »
And I'm not diving into political biases, nor am I interested in going there, there's another board for that, I just mean the other business interests of all of these media conglomerates.
Said this a few pages ago, that the media is driving this narrative completely.  

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« Reply #158 on: February 09, 2018, 10:53:32 AM »
So, basically, the two situations are not analogous and Michigan State University is in the clear of being complicit with what Larry Nassar was doing?
Bumping this b/c I never got an answer from SuperMario.  

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I do not mean to say that the victims do not deserve it, given what happened to them, but WOW, that is a lot of coin.  

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/16/us/larry-nassar-michigan-state-settlement/index.html

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That's actually less than half of what was being speculated

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« Reply #162 on: May 16, 2018, 04:46:25 PM »
That's actually less than half of what was being speculated
Thanks for merging.  I didn't see this and couldn't find the old thread.  I guess I forgot it was titled "Nassar".  

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« Reply #163 on: May 17, 2018, 01:36:24 AM »
If equally divided, that would be over $1M per victim, and the average victim would clear at least $1M after attorney's fees. And, the attorneys didn't have to do much discovery, or try their case.
Michigan State really wants to put this behind them. But, liability is probably not limited to MSU. Reviewing the article it appears the victims preserved their right to pursue other defendants, rather than giving MSU the right to pursue contribution claims against other potential defendants, but then I am not sure a news writer would understand litigation and liability sufficiently to parse that out and write about it.

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« Reply #164 on: May 17, 2018, 11:19:22 AM »
If equally divided, that would be over $1M per victim, and the average victim would clear at least $1M after attorney's fees. And, the attorneys didn't have to do much discovery, or try their case.
Michigan State really wants to put this behind them. But, liability is probably not limited to MSU. Reviewing the article it appears the victims preserved their right to pursue other defendants, rather than giving MSU the right to pursue contribution claims against other potential defendants, but then I am not sure a news writer would understand litigation and liability sufficiently to parse that out and write about it.
I agree that the reporter likely wouldn't know enough to write about it, but what you are saying makes sense.  Even if there were other, collectible defendants that MSU could go after they likely wouldn't want the bad press of never-ending lawsuits against other defendants anyway so giving away that right in the settlement would have been a logical move for MSU.  
I think the fund for other potential victims was probably pushed for by MSU for the same reason, it insulates MSU from further litigation.  If a new victim steps forward tomorrow, instead of suing MSU they just make a claim to the fund.  That protects MSU from further bad press because a new victim suing MSU would lead to another headline naming MSU but a new victim making a claim to the fund probably results in no coverage at all.  

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« Reply #165 on: May 17, 2018, 02:21:31 PM »
I thought I read somewhere that it also won't be equal, but the judge will determine the distribution.  I can't imagine how one would go about weighing the harm caused to each on a scale, over that many victims.

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« Reply #166 on: May 18, 2018, 12:05:23 AM »
Heh, Nancy Grace et al were just relentless with the Duke Lacrosse case. Nonstop, for like six months. Then when it all turned out to be BS, they quietly moved onto the next hot button topic without so much as an apology.
They're definitely worse, but those types compare almost exactly with the sports talking heads making predictions that never get reviewed or checked back on.  They just go on forward, never looking back.
I guess that's an easy way to make sure you have plenty of "experts" to trot out there day after day, huh?  We're all experts if we're never held accountable.
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« Reply #167 on: May 18, 2018, 12:06:26 AM »
I thought I read somewhere that it also won't be equal, but the judge will determine the distribution.  I can't imagine how one would go about weighing the harm caused to each on a scale, over that many victims.
Well you were only anally raped, and that's less horrific than multiple vaginal probings, so you get 83% of what she got......
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« Reply #168 on: May 18, 2018, 12:11:03 AM »
ELA, and Medina, You each make good points.
Very wise on MSU's part to have a $75M fund for victims who have not stepped forward. I can't speak for women, but I would think I would not want my very private business published as this was for those who attended the sentencing hearings, and it would make sense that others stood back. Stepping forward, if you are interested in compensation might have appeared the wise thing to do. But this settlement probably does not penalize those who desire privacy.
Sometimes in settlements like this (for instance the 9/11/2001 fund) a special master is appointed to determine a fair settlement for each person. It is a difficult task, but I think the special master cannot let that weigh him down, because the process can be streamlined compared to a trial.

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Re: OT - Nassar
« Reply #169 on: May 18, 2018, 10:26:11 AM »

Next up, Cal Berkeley 

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https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2018/05/17/claims-of-sexual-abuse-from-former-cal-student-athletes-substantiated/

After a months-long investigation sparked by a star basketball player’s allegations of sexual assault, UC-Berkeley has fired a longtime official in its athletic department for conduct involving at least seven women athletes, bringing the university’s long struggles with sexual harassment into the #metoo era.
Mohamed Muqtar, 61, who served as assistant director of student services, was let go May 11, a story first reported by ESPN. It is not clear when the university was first informed of claims against him; ESPN reported that a former Cal instructor said she had twice in the past raised concerns with the athletic department after hearing from female athletes but was told nothing could be done unless the athletes themselves came forward.
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