College Football Fan Site Area 51 @CFB51; dead nuts accurate

One community smart about college football

Civil discussion, topics, and reading of both original and aggregated news.


Author Topic: Big 12 CCG  (Read 3837 times)

Offline Thumper

  • Red Shirt
  • ***
  • Posts: 151
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #30 on: December 01, 2017, 05:14:47 PM »
Patterson has been the one coach who has consistently handled Big 12 offenses.  I don't know why other teams haven't been able to replicate that.  He doesn't get the top recruits but he always has studs in his defense,

Online CousinFreddie

  • Player
  • ****
  • Posts: 579
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #31 on: December 01, 2017, 05:25:38 PM »
I'm glad they did, given that we were down to Cincy and Houston.
Huh, what's this?  I must be hallucinating.  I actually agree with BC on sumthin :017:

Offline CWSooner

  • Red Shirt
  • ***
  • Posts: 291
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #32 on: December 01, 2017, 05:42:08 PM »
Aw, come on - really?...
You're saying that he HAS told his players to take Mayfield out?

Online CousinFreddie

  • Player
  • ****
  • Posts: 579
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #33 on: December 01, 2017, 06:20:26 PM »
Patterson has been the one coach who has consistently handled Big 12 offenses.  I don't know why other teams haven't been able to replicate that.  He doesn't get the top recruits but he always has studs in his defense,
Yep, he's pretty savvy in general.  Gets more out of his players than the vast majority of coaches out there in college football, that's for sure, and it pays off.  TCU is a consistently strong program.  They have a 75% winning pct in Patterson's 17 years there, with lots of 10+ win seasons.  Impressive stuff.  One of those little schools that could.

Online CousinFreddie

  • Player
  • ****
  • Posts: 579
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #34 on: December 01, 2017, 06:22:05 PM »
Btw, speaking of TCU, did DF ever make it over here?  I always enjoyed his no-nonsense posts.

Offline CWSooner

  • Red Shirt
  • ***
  • Posts: 291
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2017, 06:43:45 PM »
Btw, speaking of TCU, did DF ever make it over here?  I always enjoyed his no-nonsense posts.
Yes, he did, Fred.  I've seen some of his posts on the B1G board.  The "coaching changes" thread.

Online CousinFreddie

  • Player
  • ****
  • Posts: 579
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2017, 08:41:32 PM »
Thanks Cdub

I've sent him a pm asking him to join in the fun over here, with the CCG looming straight ahead!

Offline CWSooner

  • Red Shirt
  • ***
  • Posts: 291
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #37 on: December 02, 2017, 11:07:19 AM »
There's a game today.

One hour and 24 minutes to kickoff.

It might be interesting to watch.

BOOMER!

Online BrownCounty

  • Starter
  • *****
  • Posts: 1856
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2017, 03:09:30 PM »
Is TCU really the 2nd best team in this conference?  What a joke.

Oklahoma and the 9 nitwits.

Online BrownCounty

  • Starter
  • *****
  • Posts: 1856
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2017, 03:14:52 PM »
Let me be more clear.

1) Oklahoma
2) 8 nitwits that could beat each other on any given day
3) Kansas

Offline CWSooner

  • Red Shirt
  • ***
  • Posts: 291
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2017, 04:01:40 PM »
Pretty good win for the Sooners.

I hope TCU gets a NYD bowl, but I suspect they won't after losing by 24.

Online longhorn320

  • Player
  • ****
  • Posts: 500
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2017, 04:08:51 PM »
congratulations sooners

lets get 2 more
They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

Online CousinFreddie

  • Player
  • ****
  • Posts: 579
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #42 on: December 02, 2017, 04:10:36 PM »
Awesome!  Way to go Sooners!

Offline Thumper

  • Red Shirt
  • ***
  • Posts: 151
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2017, 04:11:05 PM »
SOONER!

What an awesome win! First time any team has won 3 consecutive B12 titles.  Lincoln keeps the line moving.

I would think TCU gets the B12's NY6 bowl.  I can't see them putting OSU ahead of them since TCU won the head to head.

EDIT:  OU has won 3 in a row twice, 2006-2008 and 2015-2017.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2017, 08:26:25 AM by Thumper »

Offline DevilFroggy

  • Global Moderator
  • Red Shirt
  • *****
  • Posts: 242
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #44 on: December 02, 2017, 05:17:58 PM »
Not surprised at all by the outcome. Good job Sooners, I'll probably root for y'all in the playoffs.
I thought I settled my debts that night on the ride home
But I have still got hell to pay

Offline CWSooner

  • Red Shirt
  • ***
  • Posts: 291
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2017, 06:26:40 PM »
SOONER!

What an awesome win! First time any team has won 3 consecutive B12 titles.  Lincoln keeps the line moving.

I would think TCU gets the B12's NY6 bowl.  I can't see them putting OSU ahead of them since TCU won the head to head.
I think that teams #5 through #11 in the CFP rankings, plus the top G5 team, get the New Year's bowls.  I don't think TCU will maintain its #11 ranking.
But I hope they do.

Online CousinFreddie

  • Player
  • ****
  • Posts: 579
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #46 on: December 02, 2017, 06:47:59 PM »
Not surprised at all by the outcome. Good job Sooners, I'll probably root for y'all in the playoffs.
Thanks DF.  Frogs are always a tough draw but OU is running on all cylinders at the moment.
Good to see you again.  Hope alls well your way.

Offline CWSooner

  • Red Shirt
  • ***
  • Posts: 291
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #47 on: December 02, 2017, 06:56:03 PM »
Good to see you, D-Frog.

I know you hated to see Todd Graham fired, but I think you avoided feeling betrayed when he inevitably would have ducked out to his next "destination job."

Don't know that Herm Edwards is the right replacement, though.

Offline CWSooner

  • Red Shirt
  • ***
  • Posts: 291
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #48 on: December 02, 2017, 06:58:18 PM »
I'm thinking that OU winds up no worse than #2 in the CFP rankings tomorrow morning.  If Miami upsets Clemson, probably #1.

But the Committee has undervalued Big 12 teams every week, so I probably should have no confidence in the prediction I just made.

Offline DevilFroggy

  • Global Moderator
  • Red Shirt
  • *****
  • Posts: 242
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #49 on: December 02, 2017, 07:12:51 PM »
Good to see you, D-Frog.

I know you hated to see Todd Graham fired, but I think you avoided feeling betrayed when he inevitably would have ducked out to his next "destination job."

Don't know that Herm Edwards is the right replacement, though.
Graham could have already bolted ASU after the '13 or '14 seasons if he wanted to. He was on his way to coaching his 7th season here for crying out loud. Despite his reputation as a job hopper he genuinely wanted to stay at ASU. His wife absolutely loves it here as does the rest of his family. He treated the university like a place he wanted to stay, unfortunately he didn't do enough per our AD's standards.
I thought I settled my debts that night on the ride home
But I have still got hell to pay

Offline CWSooner

  • Red Shirt
  • ***
  • Posts: 291
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #50 on: December 02, 2017, 07:17:08 PM »
I doubt that anyone who rooted for his Rice, Tulsa, or Pitt teams would have your level of confidence, but you might be right.

In any event, good luck with your new guy.

Offline Thumper

  • Red Shirt
  • ***
  • Posts: 151
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #51 on: December 03, 2017, 08:30:03 AM »
I think that teams #5 through #11 in the CFP rankings, plus the top G5 team, get the New Year's bowls.  I don't think TCU will maintain its #11 ranking.
But I hope they do.
I was thinking the B12 had a tie-in but you've always had the handle on bowl games.

Offline CWSooner

  • Red Shirt
  • ***
  • Posts: 291
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #52 on: December 03, 2017, 10:20:57 AM »
I was thinking the B12 had a tie-in but you've always had the handle on bowl games.
I at least partially misspoke there, CG.  The Big 12 and SEC signed an agreement awhile back (2014-ish?) that their champions would meet in the Sugar Bowl.  Or their highest-ranked teams if the champions are in the CFP.  But that's only in years when the Sugar Bowl isn't being used for a semifinal or the championship game in the CFP.  It's like the Big Ten-Pac-12 relationship with the Rose Bowl.

But that means that my assertion that only the top 11 plus the top G5 team go to "NYD" bowls must not be correct.  Because in years when the Sugar Bowl and/or Rose Bowl aren't in the playoff, they would take their respective conference champs (or highest-ranked teams . . .).  Maybe that "top 11" requirement is correct this year because both the Sugar and the Rose are involved in the playoff.  Or maybe "top 11+top G5" goes for at-large slots in general.

From the Font of All Wisdom and Knowledge ("Sugar Bowl): In May 2012, the Big 12 and SEC announced plans to create a new bowl game, the Champions Bowl, that would play host to the champions of those two conferences. However, by November 2012, it was decided instead that the Sugar Bowl will play host to the champions of the Big 12 and SEC, beginning in January 2015. If one of those teams takes part in the national semifinal, a team from the same conference will take their place. Also, it will become one of the bowls that will rotate as a spot for a national semifinal game. On January 1, 2015, the Sugar Bowl matched Big 10 champion, Ohio State against SEC champion Alabama in one of two semi-final games for the college football playoff championship in its inaugural year.

More from the Font ("College Football Playoff New Year's Six"): The College Football Playoff (CFP) New Year's Six (NY6) bowls are the top six major NCAA Division I FBS bowl games: the Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Orange Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Peach Bowl, and Fiesta Bowl. The New Year's Six represent six of the ten oldest bowl games currently played at the FBS level. These 6 top-tier bowl games rotate the hosting of the two semifinal games, which determine the teams that play in the final College Football Playoff National Championship game. The rotation is set on a three-year cycle with the following pairings: Rose/Sugar, Orange/Cotton, and Fiesta/Peach.

The selection committee seeds and pairs the top four teams, and along with their final CFP rankings determine the participants for the other four non-playoff New Year's Six bowls that are not hosting the semifinals that year. These four non-playoff bowls are also referred to as the Selection Committee bowl games. These six games focus on the top 12 teams in the rankings, with only five teams ranked lower than 12th (all five were still ranked in the top 20) having ever played in the New Year's Six since the College Football Playoff system was inaugurated.

Twelve schools are selected for these major, top tier bowls. These include the champions of the "Power Five" conferences (ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12, and SEC). The highest-ranked champion from the "Group of Five" conferences (The American, Conference USA, MAC, Mountain West, and Sun Belt) is guaranteed a berth if the group's top team is not in the playoff.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2017, 10:26:48 AM by CWSooner »

Offline Thumper

  • Red Shirt
  • ***
  • Posts: 151
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #53 on: December 03, 2017, 10:33:58 AM »
Earlier in this thread I was taking a shot at Mike Stoops so now I need to give him credit.  The 2nd half was a beauty for his defense, completely shutting out the Frogs.

Offline CWSooner

  • Red Shirt
  • ***
  • Posts: 291
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #54 on: December 03, 2017, 10:44:14 AM »
Same here, CG.

I'd still rather see Mike move on--maybe to go work for little brother Mark at Kentucky--but the Sooner defense really came through yesterday, especially in the 2nd half.

And even on those two 1st-half TD passes, the TCU players were well-covered.  Kenny Hill threw two perfect passes, and the Frog WRs made two perfect catches.

Offline Thumper

  • Red Shirt
  • ***
  • Posts: 151
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #55 on: December 03, 2017, 10:56:47 AM »
That is what I was thinking of, the Champions Bowl.  From the Big 12 site:
2016 Big 12 Bowl Selection Process
College Football Playoff (CFP) Selection Process
The CFP Selection Committee ranks the top 25 teams and selects the four teams to participate in the semifinal games. Then, after the contract bowls are filled based on conference agreements, the Committee will assign teams to fill the remaining New Year's bowls. Each conference champion from the contract bowls (ACC, Big 12, Big Ten, SEC & Pac 12) has a guaranteed spot in its contracted bowl
or in another New Year's bowl (Sugar, Rose or Cotton) if the contracted bowl is a semifinal game and the conference champion is not selected to participate in a semifinal game. The highest ranked champion from the Mountain West, American, Conference USA, Sun Belt or MAC is guaranteed a spot in a CFP bowl and the remaining spots are filled based on the rankings of teams after the contract bowls have been filled. 

So this means?  :confuse:

Offline Thumper

  • Red Shirt
  • ***
  • Posts: 151
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #56 on: December 03, 2017, 11:00:22 AM »
Same here, CG.

I'd still rather see Mike move on--maybe to go work for little brother Mark at Kentucky--but the Sooner defense really came through yesterday, especially in the 2nd half.

And even on those two 1st-half TD passes, the TCU players were well-covered.  Kenny Hill threw two perfect passes, and the Frog WRs made two perfect catches.
I agree.  I just think it is time for a fresh perspective on the D side.  Also, schools can add a 10th coach next year, it will be interesting to see what position OU use that on.

Online FearlessF

  • All Star
  • ******
  • Posts: 4334
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #57 on: December 03, 2017, 11:08:58 AM »
Brent Venables???

why has he not been approached by Tennessee?
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

Offline CWSooner

  • Red Shirt
  • ***
  • Posts: 291
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #58 on: December 03, 2017, 11:18:11 AM »
That is what I was thinking of, the Champions Bowl.  From the Big 12 site:
2016 Big 12 Bowl Selection Process
College Football Playoff (CFP) Selection Process
The CFP Selection Committee ranks the top 25 teams and selects the four teams to participate in the semifinal games. Then, after the contract bowls are filled based on conference agreements, the Committee will assign teams to fill the remaining New Year's bowls. Each conference champion from the contract bowls (ACC, Big 12, Big Ten, SEC & Pac 12) has a guaranteed spot in its contracted bowl
or in another New Year's bowl (Sugar, Rose or Cotton) if the contracted bowl is a semifinal game and the conference champion is not selected to participate in a semifinal game. The highest ranked champion from the Mountain West, American, Conference USA, Sun Belt or MAC is guaranteed a spot in a CFP bowl and the remaining spots are filled based on the rankings of teams after the contract bowls have been filled.

So this means?  :confuse:
Hmmm.  I'm scratching my head too.

Offline CWSooner

  • Red Shirt
  • ***
  • Posts: 291
  • Liked:
Re: Big 12 CCG
« Reply #59 on: December 03, 2017, 11:23:16 AM »
Brent Venables???

why has he not been approached by Tennessee?
Maybe he has and said no.  Doesn't want to coach in the middle of a dumpster fire.
I think Brent would be a great pick for a head coach.  But he seems happy to be at Clemson, where he is one of the highest-paid assistants in the country.  Maybe the right job will come along at some point and he will jump at the opportunity.
I wonder if he envisioned himself as Bob Stoops' successor at OU until Lincoln Riley came along.

Good luck with Scott Frost, Fearless.  I hope that he gets the Big Red ship righted by 17 September 2022, when I hope to be in Lincoln.

 

Support the Site:
Please Search Amazon from here! No cost to you yet covers some of our expenses!