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Offline Shiner

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Re: Texas vs Texas Tech
« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2017, 11:30:05 AM »
I feel like there's a lot of overthinking going on here regarding the UT job and Tom Herman specifically.

3rd and 2.... you're up by 3....  you're on your opponents side of the 50.  You have TEXAS written on the front of your burnt orange jerseys.

My 10 year old son knows to run the ball down their throat...... twice if needed.  To get the 1st down.. and run the clock out.  Herman throws the ball.... the rest is history.




If the horns want to get back to being successful..... stop worrying about meddling in the program.... overreaching admins..... job descriptions.... and all the rest.

Just RUN THE DAMN BALL.  Stop making incredibly stupid decisions like the above.  I don't follow the horns, but I have to believe if he did that against tech, he probably did stupid shit like that all season.  Sumlin did... that's why he's looking for a job.  

Do that.... The rest will take care of itself.  
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Online CharleyHorse46

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Re: Texas vs Texas Tech
« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2017, 11:33:45 AM »
I was thinking about the differences between Mack and Tom the other day and I tried to imagine how 1998 would've turned out if our coach had been Tom Herman instead of Mack Brown.

We would've lost to New Mexico State.  Tom would've shrugged his shoulders and mumbled something about pixie dust.

Texas would've just barely lost to top ten ranked UCLA and K State but Major Applewhite would've been injured rushing 20 times a game.

Texas would go into its easier stretch with Ricky Williams losing carries to Ricky Brown because he practices harder and Tom is all about setting a standard.

Texas would not beat Nebraska in Lincoln as Mac did.  Despite a valiant effort by Orlando's defense, the 1998 offense will only manage 107 yards and Texas fans will suspect it's because Ricky Williams only got 3 carries, Wane McGarrity, the Horns leading receiver, was missing from the lineup and Major is still banged up from rushing 25 times a game.  

Texas gains bowl eligibility the next week against Oklahoma State to go 6-4.  Herman talks about how an aligned commitment to success paved the way for Texas' remarkable turnaround.

Texas then proceeds to lose its next three by a margin of 89 to 7 but with 87 yards on 27 carries, Herman declares Hodges Mitchell a rising star.

Finishing the year with 134 yards on 16 carries, Ricky Williams goes undrafted and disappears into the Caribbean,

Major Applewhite announces a transfer to LSU.

Dave Campbell's Texas football predicts Texas to finish 4th in the Big 12 South in 1999.

Offline MikeDeTiger

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Re: Texas vs Texas Tech
« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2017, 12:08:08 PM »

Just RUN THE DAMN BALL.  
What if you're pretty bad at running the ball?

Offline BrownCounty

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« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2017, 12:16:23 PM »
If CH's above scenario is correct, then that is enough reason to bring back Mack as AD.

Sure, Mack would meddle, but Tom needs a little meddling in his business.  Tom needs to learn how to do this job.

Back to why I bemoan Tom's youth, and how it relates to the 3rd and 2 pass call.

Tom comes from a generation of impatient coaches.  If they run the ball and gain 1, then they're ready to go to the air.  They can't wait.  They give up on the run because it doesn't send a dopamine rush to the brain.  They want instant gratification, reflecting the culture in which we live.

The older guys are smarter than this.  Or should I say wiser.  This is Texas, not Houston.  This is a man's coaching job.  You are not the underdog plotting your ambush.  You are the bulls eye.  And your brand demands success.

Yes, Mack could actually offer Herman a few pointers.  Or fire his ass.

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« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2017, 12:18:01 PM »
What if you're pretty bad at running the ball?
You mean if you can't gain 2 yards in 2 plays?
Then run it twice, burn up clock, give them the ball on their side of the field, and play defense.

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« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2017, 12:26:17 PM »
You seem to be speaking very specifically.  I'm talking about in general, which is what Shiner seemed to be alluding to.  

I'm all for running the ball.  But if you're not good at it, it's often not going to be the best bet.  In some situations, sure.  

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« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2017, 12:50:03 PM »
I'm all for running the ball.  But if you're not good at it, it's often not going to be the best bet.  In some situations, sure.  
Knowing Herman and Beck, I'll wager Texas scantly gives any practice time to the run game, specifically run blocking.
I doubt we put in the time to be good at it.

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« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2017, 01:46:27 PM »
I was thinking about the differences between Mack and Tom the other day and I tried to imagine how 1998 would've turned out if our coach had been Tom Herman instead of Mack Brown.

We would've lost to New Mexico State.  Tom would've shrugged his shoulders and mumbled something about pixie dust.

Texas would've just barely lost to top ten ranked UCLA and K State but Major Applewhite would've been injured rushing 20 times a game.

Texas would go into its easier stretch with Ricky Williams losing carries to Ricky Brown because he practices harder and Tom is all about setting a standard.

Texas would not beat Nebraska in Lincoln as Mac did.  Despite a valiant effort by Orlando's defense, the 1998 offense will only manage 107 yards and Texas fans will suspect it's because Ricky Williams only got 3 carries, Wane McGarrity, the Horns leading receiver, was missing from the lineup and Major is still banged up from rushing 25 times a game.  

Texas gains bowl eligibility the next week against Oklahoma State to go 6-4.  Herman talks about how an aligned commitment to success paved the way for Texas' remarkable turnaround.

Texas then proceeds to lose its next three by a margin of 89 to 7 but with 87 yards on 27 carries, Herman declares Hodges Mitchell a rising star.

Finishing the year with 134 yards on 16 carries, Ricky Williams goes undrafted and disappears into the Caribbean,

Major Applewhite announces a transfer to LSU.

Dave Campbell's Texas football predicts Texas to finish 4th in the Big 12 South in 1999.
Now that's funny!

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Re: Texas vs Texas Tech
« Reply #38 on: November 28, 2017, 01:49:31 PM »
. . . Tom comes from a generation of impatient coaches.  If they run the ball and gain 1, then they're ready to go to the air.  They can't wait.  They give up on the run because it doesn't send a dopamine rush to the brain.  They want instant gratification, reflecting the culture in which we live.
There's a lot of truth there.

Lincoln Riley--who is even younger than Herman--is subject to the same tendency.  Several times this year he has talked in his post-game comments about how he gave up too soon on one thing or another.

Offline Shiner

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« Reply #39 on: November 28, 2017, 02:03:16 PM »
You seem to be speaking very specifically.  I'm talking about in general, which is what Shiner seemed to be alluding to.  

I'm all for running the ball.  But if you're not good at it, it's often not going to be the best bet.  In some situations, sure.  
The horns have at least one All-American level player on their offensive line... and they were probably all more heavily recruited than were the tech D-line... and most D-lines they face week in and week out.

2 plays to get 2 yards.  Even if they virtually ignore the run game in practice, they should be able to get that against any defense they face in the Big XII save perhaps TCU or OU.  And even if they don't.... it burns clock.  Which is all they really needed to do.

It was a poor decision at a critical time in a close game.  And I'd wager that's happened more than once this season.  The overall point here is rather than look elsewhere for some ambiguous, indirect, loosely related reasons why your team or program isn't good..... perhaps the head coach should be making smarter decisions at key times in games when his team really needs it.  Afterall a head coach's job is to put his team in the best position to win... No more, no less.  Perhaps the overall problem with Texas football is no more complicated than that. 

What would the discussions on this board about longhorn football be like this week had he simply burned clock, won the game and they finished 7-5 this season?  Nevermind whatever other boneheaded decisions he made in other close games they had this year.  I'm betting not nearly as much doom and gloom.  

Offline MikeDeTiger

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« Reply #40 on: November 28, 2017, 03:25:12 PM »
Good points.

A quick look through the recruiting ranking analysis tells me Texas currently has roughly the 13th most talented roster, which should be good for more than 6-6.  So UT fans are probably right to have some angst about year 1 under Herman.  Taking over a 5-7 team and going 6-6 is technically improvement, but clearly the roster dearth left to Strong by Mack was no longer a prime factor.  Strong rebuilt the roster but evidently couldn't get them to play like a good team, or wasn't given enough time.  A coach who was legit ready for the position (probably) should've been able to hammer out at least 8 wins, maybe more like 9, in a transition year, in this league.  

On the other hand.....devil's advocate....

Texas went 1-4 in one-score games.  They gave away two games because their QB was a Grade A nincompoop.  Ehlinger was the classic million dollar man and ten cent head guy.  He thinks he can make the throw, so he takes these spectacular risks when all the team needed to do is play safe, and they win.  Winning a close game is largely luck (though losing is not as much luck-based when you're stupid).  But they could have just as easily gone 4-1 in those games, with no change in team quality, but now they're a 9-win team.  

Myself, I'm more of a bottom line guy.  Parcells had a point when he said you are what your record says you are.  Mitigating factors be damned, the W/L is where I rest most of my cases.  Herman didn't fail per se, but he didn't deliver on the hype and the salary UT handed him, and appears to need to realize some things....perhaps most especially about himself.  

I was a big proponent of Herman, though it wasn't because he was a sure thing.  That was never the argument.  It's that he was the home run swing.  The thing about swinging for the fences is that you're more likely to strike out.  But I was all about the risk.  Take the damn plunge.  You're getting rid of a guy for a reason, don't play it safe.  Step up to the bar and order a man's drink.  And I'm not a huge fan of retreads that a lot of people consider "sure things."  If he doesn't work out, he doesn't work out, but that's the risk you take when you choose to get on the carousel, and imo UT still demonstrated how to approach that situation regardless of the final result.  I'd much rather gamble on an up-and-comer with some bullet points than the aforementioned retread.  


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« Reply #41 on: November 28, 2017, 03:43:10 PM »
Texas went 1-4 in one-score games.  They gave away two games because their QB was a Grade A nincompoop.  Ehlinger was the classic million dollar man and ten cent head guy.
Ehlinger is a true freshman who is only one year removed from being able to run and throw at will on the HS football field.  In his mind he can do anything.

Good coaching should know this.  Don't call a play if you don't want the true freshman to force it.  So while Ehlinger may have blown us up a time or two, he should never have been in the position to do so.

It's hard for me to hang too much blame on a true freshman.  Especially one who's giving his all.  Whenever possible, he has to be protected from bad decisions.  Because he will make them.  In my opinion, coaching enabled Ehlinger's immature zeal to cost us a couple of games, when it really didn't need to.

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« Reply #42 on: November 28, 2017, 04:12:12 PM »
Ehlinger is a true freshman who is only one year removed from being able to run and throw at will on the HS football field.  In his mind he can do anything.

Good coaching should know this.  Don't call a play if you don't want the true freshman to force it.  So while Ehlinger may have blown us up a time or two, he should never have been in the position to do so.

It's hard for me to hang too much blame on a true freshman.  Especially one who's giving his all.  Whenever possible, he has to be protected from bad decisions.  Because he will make them.  In my opinion, coaching enabled Ehlinger's immature zeal to cost us a couple of games, when it really didn't need to.
Bingo.  I mean hell... in the simplest of terms if Herman and company don't call a pass play on 3rd and 2, he doesn't throw a pick which leads to tech's game winning score.  Don't put your QB in a position to fail if you don't need to.  Run ball, win game.  That's not on the QB, that's just coaching dumbassery.

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« Reply #43 on: November 28, 2017, 04:23:12 PM »
Ehlinger is a true freshman who is only one year removed from being able to run and throw at will on the HS football field.  In his mind he can do anything.

Good coaching should know this.  Don't call a play if you don't want the true freshman to force it.  So while Ehlinger may have blown us up a time or two, he should never have been in the position to do so.

It's hard for me to hang too much blame on a true freshman.  Especially one who's giving his all.  Whenever possible, he has to be protected from bad decisions.  Because he will make them.  In my opinion, coaching enabled Ehlinger's immature zeal to cost us a couple of games, when it really didn't need to.
Yes, obviously, but you appear to take issue with a small piece of my post which agrees with you if you read the whole thing, and in context.  

Offline BrownCounty

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« Reply #44 on: November 28, 2017, 04:36:35 PM »
Yes, obviously, but you appear to take issue with a small piece of my post which agrees with you if you read the whole thing, and in context.  
I wasn't taking issue.  I was piling on.

Offline Shiner

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« Reply #45 on: November 29, 2017, 08:14:59 AM »
Sure seems to be that way.

I just don't know about what we've done....  This is a $5 million dollar job for a reason.  We've got a 30-something blowing bubble gum, sporting a baseball bat, passing the ball on 3rd and 2 while leading in the waning minutes, and incapable of saying "my bad".

Herman is the type that better start winning fast, because he has no saving graces.
Don't forget that he was crying in his postgame press conference.
My bro-in-law turned that off as he didn't want me to have the satisfaction of seeing their head coach cry on TV because... well.... he sucked at his job.

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« Reply #46 on: November 29, 2017, 10:09:08 AM »
Don't forget that he was crying in his postgame press conference.
C'mon Shiner, he wasn't crying.  I agree he fully displayed how he's in over his head, and he really doesn't know how to handle being questioned - especially when he's the goat.  Herman has rapidly cycled from hero to zero and he can't handle the latter.

He's about 10 years too soon for this job.  So he'll either catch up while managing to win some games, or he'll be back in FCS fairly shortly.

To repeat myself, I'm not going to all out call Herman a bad hire - but without a seasoned athletic director in place, I will call it a stupid hire.

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« Reply #47 on: November 29, 2017, 11:12:39 AM »
Looked like crying to me... my horn bro-in-law agreed.  But I'll let the point go from here.

Regardless..... in over his head?  Clearly.  So was Strong.  I'm wondering how many potential candidates out there wouldn't be in over their head in that job. 

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« Reply #48 on: November 29, 2017, 11:18:15 AM »
Regardless..... in over his head?  Clearly.  So was Strong.  I'm wondering how many potential candidates out there wouldn't be in over their head in that job.
As you accurately stated yesterday, Herman makes the right call on 3rd and 2 and we're singing his praises for producing 7 wins.  Despite some other coaching bumbles along the way... 7 wins would have cured all.

But one bumble too many.  6 wins.  We suck.  Herman sucks.

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« Reply #49 on: November 29, 2017, 11:48:48 AM »
... as we Sooner fans bask in the glow of a great HC transition and lick our chops for more tasty Bevo-Q at next year’s state fair ...

Offline BrownCounty

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« Reply #50 on: November 29, 2017, 12:39:07 PM »
To repeat myself, I'm not going to all out call Herman a bad hire - but without a seasoned athletic director in place, I will call it a stupid hire.
To further emphasize why I say this - Herman needs someone of authority (not the media) to ask what in the holy hell was that 3rd and 2 call?

Perrin won't ask it.  Fenves is thinking why didn't we kick a free throw and score another home run?

We need an AD.
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« Reply #51 on: December 01, 2017, 10:29:51 AM »
... as we Sooner fans bask in the glow of a great HC transition and lick our chops for more tasty Bevo-Q at next year’s state fair ...
It sure is nice, Cuz.  Nice for players and recruits to have that stability as well.  

 

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