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eltigrerex

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Iron Bowl
« on: November 21, 2017, 05:11:26 PM »
Anyone care to weigh in with their thoughts on the game?

We can't have zero IB threads here and call it an SEC board... 

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Re: Iron Bowl
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2017, 05:35:25 PM »
this game will be won where most games between good teams are won, the trenches.

both teams like to run the ball and stop the run. both are good at both things. both have qb's that can make you pay if you over commit to doing so.

i have no clue what all that means.

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Re: Iron Bowl
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2017, 05:48:44 PM »
LOL 

I would suggest that, while running the ball is always important and both teams are geared to do it, each defense should be stout enough to avoid getting paved for at least a half. 

I think this one simply comes down to QB play. While Stidham is probably the better pocket passer, given his previous performances under duress (seems likely that will be the case), I think this is Hurts' game to decide. If the Tigers can't tackle him when they get to him and/or keep him between the tackles, it's difficult to imagine Auburn winning this game. By contrast, if AU could figure a way to frustrate him even a little, I really like Auburn's chances to win and maybe comfortably. 

Elsewise, I'm tempted to point at AU's issues with kick coverage as the likely determining factor. 

But there is lots to consider in this one, especially the way in which the existing injuries might factor in... 

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Re: Iron Bowl
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2017, 05:57:05 PM »
What's up TK?

I picked Auburn in my pool and I'll pick them here. 27-24. So it is written.
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Re: Iron Bowl
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2017, 06:24:24 PM »
it's with great insight and purposeful study of the circumstance that the certainty of this prediction is..... uh... certain:

Auburn is going to give Bama all they can handle.  maybe slightly more than they can handle.  

in all seriousness, it's not that Bama isn't the giant they're made out to be, and it isn't that Auburn is woeful- it's that Bama is 'business as usual' while Auburn is playing with moxy fueled by pure hatred of their fellow man.  Madden once said that (paraphrased) "emotion will get you two quarters", and that seems to be pretty true.  What wasn't shared is that those two quarters may be the last two quarters.  That's basically how Clemson beat them... that's how MSU hung around.  It's NOT that the recipe isn't known, it's that surviving the Bama 'second half lean' is almost impossible w/o tons of moxy and heated emotion.

surviving the first half is the difficulty- not only speaking in terms of score but in terms of attrition.  It's my opinion that this is where the coaches and the offensive plan comes into play- and Malzahn+Lindsey will be up for the task of handing Bama a puzzle enough to not only keep them in the same neighborhood of score, but possibly even match them.... that's good, no?  but more to the point they'll be able to do it with some display of sustainment., required to keep the attrition manageable.... then comes the second half.  

At any rate, in this dimension or those surrounding, i wager Auburn is capable of scoring as much as 28~35 on Bama.  I think their D is capable of holding a functional Bama O to under 45.  That leaves a window of 10~17 points or so delta between the capacity of the match, but doesn't speak anything to the 'intangibles'.  The intangible points between these two any time they play is at least worth 10 points, and likely in the 17point range.  it's just that crazy.  Either the 10 or the 17 covers Auburn, so long as they catch every break.  There is another intangible, too, that is owned by Jordan-Hare that's worth at least 7 to the home team and has great influence on that intangible 17- which means...... fuzzy math... Auburn is favored in my mind by five and with a final score of 45 to 50 Auburn.    

dink-dunk down the field picking on LB's, and opening the 3~4 yard scurry under threat of deep ball on post routes on the weak side (mano-a-mano or what they call 50/50 passes since, oh,  2017 or so; I'm so freaking tired of hearing 50/50 and RPO)... The functional plan to beat Bama is to survive into the second half and see opportunity present itself, and Auburn has the tools to pull that off with a running game, a short/intermediate/deep passing threat, and a RPO (can't believe i just typed that) capability...... similar to the last team that beat Bama and a team that has just as much moxy.  Here's to hoping the Bama players have purchased and are fully vested in their 'greatness' (and I'm NOT detracting from that) and believes this is a 'business as usual' game.  

^that, y'all, was saying a whole lot without saying anything at all.    
« Last Edit: November 21, 2017, 06:27:22 PM by Drew4UTk »

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Re: Iron Bowl
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2017, 08:03:21 PM »
Well can Auburn do whatever MSU did to Bama?  If they can, and AU has better talent than MSU, then Bama is in trouble.  
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Re: Iron Bowl
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2017, 08:32:23 PM »
LOL

I would suggest that, while running the ball is always important and both teams are geared to do it, each defense should be stout enough to avoid getting paved for at least a half.

I think this one simply comes down to QB play. While Stidham is probably the better pocket passer, given his previous performances under duress (seems likely that will be the case), I think this is Hurts' game to decide. If the Tigers can't tackle him when they get to him and/or keep him between the tackles, it's difficult to imagine Auburn winning this game. By contrast, if AU could figure a way to frustrate him even a little, I really like Auburn's chances to win and maybe comfortably.

Elsewise, I'm tempted to point at AU's issues with kick coverage as the likely determining factor.

But there is lots to consider in this one, especially the way in which the existing injuries might factor in...
Kick coverage for Auburn has become scary; however, it is similar to UAT's field goal kicking. In a close game, Auburn has a BIG advantage when it comes to getting FGs. All that said, Auburn MUST get 6s and not 3s when given the opportunity. Auburn needs to jump on UAT early and often and force Hurts to win the game with his arm with passes to someone other than Ridley.....

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Re: Iron Bowl
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2017, 10:47:22 PM »
Meteor. 

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Re: Iron Bowl
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2017, 07:12:42 AM »
Nope. Stidham is a different type of animal than Fitzgerald. I am not saying one is better than the other. Fitzgerald beats you with his feet and Bama minus two more lbs had trouble stopping him running.

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Re: Iron Bowl
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2017, 07:18:32 AM »
I think the game turns on whether or not Bama can get pressure on Stidham minus the missing lbs. That is where Bama likes to get their pass rush from. If they can Bama wins by two tds. If they can't then the game will be close. Maybe a field goal.

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Re: Iron Bowl
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2017, 10:22:46 AM »
Salient points, all... except for Mike, LOL. I really like your take, Drew. Nicely done!

It seems I'm not alone in being unable to get a comfortably idea about what might happen in this one. It's been a long time since I've seen our respective fan bases this ... unsure of what to expect. Has already been a strange season--I'm starting to get a sneaky feeling this game might be even stranger.

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Re: Iron Bowl
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2017, 12:37:42 PM »
Salient points, all... except for Mike, LOL. I really like your take, Drew. Nicely done!

It seems I'm not alone in being unable to get a comfortably idea about what might happen in this one. It's been a long time since I've seen our respective fan bases this ... unsure of what to expect. Has already been a strange season--I'm starting to get a sneaky feeling this game might be even stranger.
it's the iron bowl in jh with malzahn for a seccg birth and a chance at the cfp. of course it'll be a weird game.

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Re: Iron Bowl
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2017, 11:08:49 AM »
i saw a fascinating statistic- it doesn't mean anything; it was just fascinating...

Saban is without a win against Auburn when they have nine+ wins on the season.

I didn't validate this stat, I'm just repeating it.  It came from an SEC Network post of Facebook..    


https://www.facebook.com/SECNetwork/photos/a.129196000584483.1073741834.123694511134632/657194587784619/?type=3&permPage=1


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Re: Iron Bowl
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2017, 12:33:34 AM »
i saw a fascinating statistic- it doesn't mean anything; it was just fascinating...

Saban is without a win against Auburn when they have nine+ wins on the season.

I didn't validate this stat, I'm just repeating it.  It came from an SEC Network post of Facebook..    


https://www.facebook.com/SECNetwork/photos/a.129196000584483.1073741834.123694511134632/657194587784619/?type=3&permPage=1

More of an indictment against Auburn than it is Saban. Means that Auburn has won 9 or more games in just 6 of the 15 years in which they have faced Saban.

An even more telling story of the series is that Auburn has not beaten Bama by more than 10 points since 1969. NINETEEN SIXTY NINE! 



 

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