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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: 847badgerfan on October 09, 2017, 12:58:35 PM
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The injury list is getting pretty long for Wisconsin.
Saturday night, they were without Micah Kapoi and Jon Dietzen at left guard. Jason Erdmann (??) stepped in for Dietzen and played pretty well so that's a positive. Dieter was hobbled but still played. There is finally starting to be some depth on the line.
Listed as questionable this week:
TB Taiwan Deal
LG Jon Dietzen
K P.J. Rosowski
S Patrick Johnson
LG Micah Kapoi
TB Chris James
Listed as out for this week:
WR George Rushing
DE Chikwe Obasih
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From the sounds of things, Purdue will still be without Fuller (1st string RB). Knox and Jones were OK this past weekend against Minnesota, but Fuller is just that much better.
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Looks like Purdue has given up a lot of sacks this year, along with a few picks. The QB's don't seem to be very mobile. Am I reading this right?
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The memorable Kyle Orton flip play has kicked off an 11 game Wisconsin winning streak, and none since then has been closer than 11 points. The average MOV has been 24.3 ppg.
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All streaks come to an end eventually. This one will, but probably not this weekend.
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Looks like Purdue has given up a lot of sacks this year, along with a few picks. The QB's don't seem to be very mobile. Am I reading this right?
Might depend who the starter will be. Bit of a QB controversy brewing. Blough was seen as better overall, but he has been fighting a bad shoulder and his decision to throw it into coverage has led to 4 particularly bad interceptions. It wouldn't surprise me if Sindelar gets the starting nod this week. While Bloughs numbers are better overall, Sindelar has the stronger arm and has performed better against the 3 good defenses that Purdue has played so far (Louisville, Michigan, Minnesota).
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While a Spoilermaker showing would make the B1G West race a little more exciting, I have to imagine that they are going to be seriously outmatched this weekend.
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From the sounds of things, Purdue will still be without Fuller (1st string RB). Knox and Jones were OK this past weekend against Minnesota, but Fuller is just that much better.
RB is the one position that doesn't worry me so much. Fuller has potentially more ability to create on his own (which is necessary with our OL), but Knox and Jones are both very talented backs, and Brohm has done a halfway decent job getting them the ball in space to negate some of those OL deficiencies.
Looks like Purdue has given up a lot of sacks this year, along with a few picks. The QB's don't seem to be very mobile. Am I reading this right?
Blough is sneaky mobile. Reminds me of Brees a little bit in that way, as he can make things happen with his legs on scrambles pretty well. But as griller points out, his tendency to throw the ball into coverage also reminds me of some of the bad decisions Brees used to make lol... Sindelar isn't very mobile at all.
The sacks have been more due to the OL in my opinion than the QB, though. Although I don't think either of them have really been great "feeling" the pressure and avoiding it.
The memorable Kyle Orton flip play has kicked off an 11 game Wisconsin winning streak, and none since then has been closer than 11 points. The average MOV has been 24.3 ppg.
All streaks come to an end eventually. This one will, but probably not this weekend.
Yep. This is the one game--potentially even beyond Michigan--that Purdue fans have placed the Sharpie "L" next to on the schedule for many years.
Even with a run defense that has looked really stout so far this year, we haven't faced a line full of bulldozers like what the Badgers line up. And the Badger defense is really good despite not getting the press that their offense gets.
I don't see Purdue winning this game, and potentially see this as the only other game left on our schedule where I expect a double-digit loss.
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Looks like Purdue has given up a lot of sacks this year, along with a few picks. The QB's don't seem to be very mobile. Am I reading this right?
Blough actually runs really well and is great on roll outs, has good vision for when to scramble (think Drew when he was at Purdue), but he holds the ball too long and takes a lot of unneeded sacks. That and puzzlelingly bad decisions to throws into triple coverage are his 2 weaknesses. Otherwise, he's been a damn good QB, not kidding. He'll run the offense terrifically, complete like 12 of 14, and then either throw a TD or a really awful pick.
Sindelar is more like Philip Rivers in stature, but is sneaky good at backpeddling and throwing across the field on screens or shallow crosses on some of Brohm's well called plays, but overall, he is not mobile
Right now, I still think Blough is the better guy to run the O, he goes through his progressions better, but I would argue Sindelar deserves to start and play a whole game. He has had a lot of really strong moments this year, the 2nd half is exhibit A.
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The memorable Kyle Orton flip play has kicked off an 11 game Wisconsin winning streak, and none since then has been closer than 11 points. The average MOV has been 24.3 ppg.
We've had a loss by less than 3 scores? I don't remember one, I thought everyone had been by at least 17, with most of the losses by like 40, including at least 1 shut out (I was at that one in '09, oy!). Oh wait, just hit me, did Hazell have a loss up there where we literally didn't try to win and we kept running the ball even though it was admitting defeat?
Either way, I love, LOVE what Brohm is doing and have complete 100% faith he is taking us to big things once he gets enough time to get his players to create depth. With that huge Minn win, I think we win 7 if not 8 (absolutely mindbogglingly insane to be saying that with a straight face considering where we were last year), but let me break the news to everyone.....it ain't happening this weekend.
Wisc has them big corn fed boys on the OL like they always do, and will pummel us into submission just like Mich did, except for I actually fear more of an asskicking since unlike Mich, Wisc is legit now and not a year away. If this is somehow still a 1 score game at the half, it will quickly change by the late 3rd quarter unless Wisc completely looks ahead along with having a -4 TO margin.
Wisc will win. I'll go with 45-17.
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Purdue gets the award for best coaching hire of the offseason. It wasn't splashy. It wasn't cutsie. It wasn't row the boatsie (dodged a bullet there).
Brohm is going to turn that program around - already is.
Wilcox at Cal comes in 2nd place on my list.
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No question.
Really the only question with Brohm is can they keep him?
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With Morgan no longer there, we can only hope that PU will open the wallet and give him some of that TV money to keep him there. Tiller proved it could be a destination. Maybe Brohm could do the same.
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With Morgan no longer there, we can only hope that PU will open the wallet and give him some of that TV money to keep him there. Tiller proved it could be a destination. Maybe Brohm could do the same.
Joe Tiller was a.) a different cat than almost any football coach and b.) a decade older than Brohm when Purdue hired him. I think age, more than anything, kept him off most radars. I think we broke this down when discussing the Riley hire, about how rare it was for a P5 program to hire a head coach of his age. Granted Tiller wasn't as old as Riley was either.
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Purdue just isn't there yet.
The patched together OL is what we hoped they weren't. The staff did the best they could to put one together, credit there, but they just can't compete with a defense like this yet.
Brohm will have to be very creative, again.
The depth of the Purdue defense will show in the 2nd half. As mentioned, the run D has been good. No depth though, Wisconsin is a bad match up here.
Sindelar is the better QB for this game. He can make the throws Blough can't. Purdue will need to run shotgun and stretch the field, passing to set up the run. Sindelar has the better arm and decision making for the fast paced game this will have to be.
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We've had a loss by less than 3 scores? I don't remember one, I thought everyone had been by at least 17, with most of the losses by like 40, including at least 1 shut out (I was at that one in '09, oy!). Oh wait, just hit me, did Hazell have a loss up there where we literally didn't try to win and we kept running the ball even though it was admitting defeat?
Either way, I love, LOVE what Brohm is doing and have complete 100% faith he is taking us to big things once he gets enough time to get his players to create depth. With that huge Minn win, I think we win 7 if not 8 (absolutely mindbogglingly insane to be saying that with a straight face considering where we were last year), but let me break the news to everyone.....it ain't happening this weekend.
Wisc has them big corn fed boys on the OL like they always do, and will pummel us into submission just like Mich did, except for I actually fear more of an asskicking since unlike Mich, Wisc is legit now and not a year away. If this is somehow still a 1 score game at the half, it will quickly change by the late 3rd quarter unless Wisc completely looks ahead along with having a -4 TO margin.
Wisc will win. I'll go with 45-17.
PS - Sent you a PM and an email
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I just have to post this. I just love the look of the all-white uniforms and there is no place else to put this. I like the play call too though.
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We've had a loss by less than 3 scores? I don't remember one, I thought everyone had been by at least 17, with most of the losses by like 40, including at least 1 shut out (I was at that one in '09, oy!). Oh wait, just hit me, did Hazell have a loss up there where we literally didn't try to win and we kept running the ball even though it was admitting defeat?
Yep. 2015. The game that resulted in me emailing Morgan Burke (https://www.hammerandrails.com/2015/10/20/9579849/my-letter-to-mjb) demanding that John Shoop (if not Hazell as well) be shown the door.
That game it was clear that the coaching staff had no intention of winning. It was run, run, run, and hope that the game is as short as possible with the clock continuing to run that it will be over quickly.
With Morgan no longer there, we can only hope that PU will open the wallet and give him some of that TV money to keep him there. Tiller proved it could be a destination. Maybe Brohm could do the same.
Joe Tiller was a.) a different cat than almost any football coach and b.) a decade older than Brohm when Purdue hired him. I think age, more than anything, kept him off most radars. I think we broke this down when discussing the Riley hire, about how rare it was for a P5 program to hire a head coach of his age. Granted Tiller wasn't as old as Riley was either.
I think Brohm is perhaps a bit of a different cat than most football coaches.
Among Purdue fans, there is concern that he will eventually leave us to go right back to Louisville, being his alma mater and his brother's, whenever Petrino decides to walk away. That said, given some of the things that have gone on with Louisville athletics recently, perhaps he won't. He seems like a man of character, and Louisville seems VERY slimy of late.
If he has dreams of coaching at the highest levels (whether CFB or NFL), we simply cannot give him enough money to stay. Because that's something Purdue can never really offer. Realistically a shot at the college football playoff is unlikely to occur for a team like Purdue more than once every 30 years or so, if that.
But if he's looking for a "destination" job, Purdue ain't half bad. We won't have the pressure of some of the helmet schools. Knocking out 8-9 wins a year with the occasional upside of going to the B1G CCG every 3-4 years is enough for us and the rare downside of 6 wins, and I think he could put that together once he gets his system fully in place. He could coach the rest of his career at Purdue with results like that without worrying about his job security.
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is this UW's hardest game left other than UM? is it UWs most difficult regular season test to date?
I think UW is good, but man, this schedule is atrocious. It's not entirely their fault, BYU, Nebraska, Northwestern are typically better opponents in recent years, but all of them have been below par this season.
I don't think a Purdue win is entirely out of the question, Hornibrook can toss a couple of picks ala the northwestern game, maybe Purdue get's it's pass game going early to cause some problems.
but if UW pounds the ball for 4 quarters it's hard to envision Purdue not wearing down eventually.
Wiscy 34-20
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Iowa might be the toughest game left. It's always a bloodbath and they have shown they can compete with the best in the conference when they played MSU and PSU tough. Michigan will be tough. Maryland is no slouch if they can get the QB going. Road games remaining are Illinois, Indiana and Minnesota. Illinois should be a win. Indiana is tricky and for Minnesota it's their Superbowl.
The only "should win" I see on the schedule is the game at Illinois. Anyone else could trip them up. They also cannot afford any more injuries.
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But if he's looking for a "destination" job, Purdue ain't half bad. We won't have the pressure of some of the helmet schools. Knocking out 8-9 wins a year with the occasional upside of going to the B1G CCG every 3-4 years is enough for us and the rare downside of 6 wins, and I think he could put that together once he gets his system fully in place. He could coach the rest of his career at Purdue with results like that without worrying about his job security.
I think a lot of us non-helmet school fans like to get hopeful this way, but the truth is that it pretty much never works out like that. And I'm not saying MSU is above that either. I think we got lucky that Dantonio won in a way that wasn't really all that flashy, and that he too was a little older when he got the job, that he was less desirable.
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Nobody expected this preseason but right now I see this as the game of the year in the B1G-W. Standings:
- 2-0 Wisconsin
- 2-1 Nebraska (lost to UW)
- 1-1 Purdue (lost to East team)
- 1-2 Iowa (lost to two East teams)
- 0-2 Minnesota (lost to PU and an East team)
- 0-2 Illinois (lost to UNL, Iowa)
- 0-2 Northwestern (lost to UW and an East team)
Wisconsin already beat Nebraska and other than these two teams, everybody else in the B1G-W already has at least two losses. Iowa is at least arguably still in it because both losses were to B1G-E teams but they still have to host Ohio State and travel to Madison so I just don't see it.
If Wisconsin wins this they'll effectively have a two-game cushion over everybody else.
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Iowa might be the toughest game left. It's always a bloodbath and they have shown they can compete with the best in the conference when they played MSU and PSU tough. Michigan will be tough. Maryland is no slouch if they can get the QB going. Road games remaining are Illinois, Indiana and Minnesota. Illinois should be a win. Indiana is tricky and for Minnesota it's their Superbowl.
The only "should win" I see on the schedule is the game at Illinois. Anyone else could trip them up. They also cannot afford any more injuries.
You are sandbagging. I would agree with not calling those games "locks" but Wisconsin clearly should win all of:
- v Maryland: It is at home and the Terps got destroyed by Ohio State
- @ Illinois: Obvioulsy
- @ Indiana: It is on the road, but the Hoosiers got destroyed by both Ohio State and Penn State.
- v Iowa: I'd agree if this game was in Iowa City but it isn't. This game is in Madison and Wisconsin should win.
- @ Minnesota: Their "Superbowl" or not, Minnesota just isn't a good team right now. Maybe by late November, but nothing so far suggests that the Gophers should even be able to compete in this game.
Per the worldwide leader (http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/page/RoadtoAtlanta101017/what-numbers-tell-us-year-college-football-playoff-contenders), Wisconsin's OOC schedule ranks 98th and their overall SoS is projected at 61st. A lot of that isn't Wisconsin's fault. At BYU is usually at least a decent game but the Cougars are a mess and Wisconsin's only tricky cross-over is Michigan. Even there, the Badgers get the Wolverines at home.
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I think a lot of us non-helmet school fans like to get hopeful this way, but the truth is that it pretty much never works out like that. And I'm not saying MSU is above that either. I think we got lucky that Dantonio won in a way that wasn't really all that flashy, and that he too was a little older when he got the job, that he was less desirable.
Of course. Much like Tiller at Purdue. He was clearly ready for the "final" job of his career. I think Dantonio may not have deliberately come to MSU for his final job, but by the time his stock was highest, he probably wasn't up for a change to a "bigger" job.
My point is that if Brohm wants bigger, nothing ($$) we can offer him will keep him at Purdue. But if he doesn't, it's not like we're some G5 backwater.
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With Morgan no longer there, we can only hope that PU will open the wallet and give him some of that TV money to keep him there. Tiller proved it could be a destination. Maybe Brohm could do the same.
Money is no issue any longer. I don't have time to type the dissertation right now but like 1,000 good things have happened in and outside of the athletic dept since the new AD Mike Bobinski took over about a year ago. Purdue is in SUCH a better place than we were in the last decade under Burke. If we all were hanging out I could tlk about this for 3 hours. The positive vibe surrounding everything around major Purdue athletics right now is something I haven't seen when I was school and football was legit and king of campus (99 to 03, so Drew and Orton.) It's not just Bobinski, our Pres Mitch Daniels is all in now and the biggest key to this all being a change in attitude is we have a new Chairman of the Board of Directors, Mike Berghoff, who has decided we are spending and we aren't accepting defeat. Can't lie guys, I am giddy.
You ain't joking about it being a hell of a fortunate thing we ain't part of the row boat crew. Fleck should be able to recruit, but man that shtick would wear out quickly.
Brohm was the guy Bobinski targeted the whole time, we got him, and he will fight like hell to keep from losing him. I want Petrino to bail now with all of the Lou controversy going on, will take them off the table as a possibility for a while.
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"If we all were hanging out I could tlk about this for 3 hours."
I'm pretty sure we've done that bro. :)
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Purdue is going to do a lot of quick passes and move the pocket against Wisky I think. In order for Purdue to have a chance to win this game they will need to win the turnover battle. That can be the equalizer.
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Wisky?
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Let it go Badge. Can you make the claim that you've never used the old standby Pur-dont?
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Not lately...
I just don't like the Wisky or Whiskey Sconnie bullshit.
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Wisky?
I can't speak for others, but I don't use Wisky in a pejorative sense (not like those folks who use Pur-don't).
Just see it as shorthand for Wisconsin.
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Don't they put Sconnie on their own gear?
I thought that's what they liked to be called.
(https://onmilwaukee.com/images/articles/sc/sconnienation/sconnienation_story1.jpg)
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I agree with bw above, it is shorthand for me. I work with numbers badge, not letters. Letters are not my friends.
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Not by a UW license. The school has nothing to do with it.
Those are ass clowns.
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After googling around, I can't find any evidence that "Sconnie" is a pejorative.
Nothing but Wisconsin fans, proudly sporting it on their clothing, using it as the name of their blog, or their storefront that sells Wisconsin apparel.
What, is it supposed to be like the N-word, where only Wisconsin fans are allowed to use it?
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Why the F google around?
Just trust me when I say that alumni HATE it - especially the older ones. Maybe the snowflakes like it - some of them anyway. Take that for what it's worth.
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I agree with bw above, it is shorthand for me. I work with numbers badge, not letters. Letters are not my friends.
Me too.
UW works in that case. Hah!
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Why the F google around?
Just trust me when I say that alumni HATE it - especially the older ones. Maybe the snowflakes like it - some of them anyway. Take that for what it's worth.
I'm not really the type to accept a singular unverified anecdote as undisputed fact.
Plus, I'm having way too much fun researching this...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuojHrTIEAAud2W.jpg)
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Is Cheese Head still permissible?
What about Spoilermakers?
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Yeah, I'm sure all of those pictured are enrolled...
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Why the F google around?
Just trust me when I say that alumni HATE it - especially the older ones. Maybe the snowflakes like it - some of them anyway. Take that for what it's worth.
I do not want this to dip into the political world, but from my understanding of the concept, a Snowflake is someone who is "an overly sensitive person that doesn't take criticism well" or "is too emotionally vulnerable to cope with views that challenge their own." IE, someone who is short doesn't want to be called short, but instead prefers "vertically challenged" or somesuch.
Since you / the older alumni are the ones that are objecting to this name, doesn't that make you the snowflakes? :sign0151:
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Yeah, I mean I can see why Vagers would be objectionable. Hence, I never use it.
And to a lesser degree, Whiskey and Pur-don't; although I hadn't really thought about either in that light until this thread. But Sconnie?
I don't even know what that means. I've simply seen pics of sweet little adorable Wisconsin co-eds sporting it on their undergarments, and assumed that it was some sort of interesting and clever abbreviation of the word Wisconsin.
If it really were objectionable, then google ought to have some modicum of evidence. Hell, if I googled hard enough I could probably find an example of some dude out there somewhere who is afraid that eating too much Wisconsin Cheese would turn him into a Wisconsin Cheerleader.
But there does not appear to be a thing about older alumni objecting to the term Sconnie. Interesting.
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I do not want this to dip into the political world, but from my understanding of the concept, a Snowflake is someone who is "an overly sensitive person that doesn't take criticism well" or "is too emotionally vulnerable to cope with views that challenge their own." IE, someone who is short doesn't want to be called short, but instead prefers "vertically challenged" or somesuch.
Since you / the older alumni are the ones that are objecting to this name, doesn't that make you the snowflakes? :sign0151:
You suck.
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As a native of the state and about 28 total years of my life, I'm much more open to Wisky (either using the term or hearing it w/o cringing). I tend not to use it though. I do not embrace the use of 'Sconnie' and do not use it for any purpose. It reminds me of the lazy baseball nicknames that are far too common. 'Let's put a 'y'/'ey'/'ie' at the end of his name.' 'Jonesey' 'Brauny', 'Mollie', etc.
Though see it quite a bit when I'm in WI, which is fairly regularly. Alum and non-alum. I do think it skews younger.
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Sconnie:
A crass, humorously trademarked attempt at marketing a stereotypical vision of the "Wisconsin lifestyle." Frequently emblazoned upon t-shirts or sweatshirts, this term (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=term) easily identifies people (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=people) who are of below-average intelligence. Accordingly, many believe that wearing such a garment will (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=will) make people think (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=think) they are actually from Wisconsin, although this is never the case, as people actually born and raised in Wisconsin know just (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=just) how ridiculous and sad the whole so-called "movement" is.
Person 1: "Yeah, I ate brats all day yesterday, and washed them down with a tall, cool (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cool) Old Milwaukee! I'm such a sconnie, man (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=man)!"
Person 2: "Shut up before I kill (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kill) you. You are from Seattle."
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As a native of the state and about 28 total years of my life, I'm much more open to Wisky (either using the term or hearing it w/o cringing). I tend not to use it though. I do not embrace the use of 'Sconnie' and do not use it for any purpose. It reminds me of the lazy baseball nicknames that are far too common. 'Let's put a 'y'/'ey'/'ie' at the end of his name.' 'Jonesey' 'Brauny', 'Mollie', etc.
Though see it quite a bit when I'm in WI, which is fairly regularly. Alum and non-alum. I do think it skews younger.
Nor does anyone else who is from and/or lives there.
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Just fulfilling my bi-monthly contractual obligations to really annoy the piss out of you. :72:
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I agree, one of my closest friend's (UW alum) theory is 'Sconnie' is attributable to the kids (students) who lived in Towers.* I know this has been 20+ yrs ago, but Towers were (are?) private dorms in Madison, which were generally full of out of state students, generally east coast.
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So.. the game...
Anyone gonna be there? I know I will not be (no games at all this year for us, actually).
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None for me this year either. Got this year and then next year. After that, the youngest will be out of Cub Scouts and I wont be spending every bleepin' weekend in the fall selling popcorn or planning den / pack meetings.
If Wisconsin is on the schedule in 2019, I'll be coming up.
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I remember when kid stuff got in the way. Don't have that anymore, but a trip to Europe looms. Gonna have to figure out if I can catch the 3 games I'm going to miss.
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So.. the game...
Anyone gonna be there? I know I will not be (no games at all this year for us, actually).
Nope (shocking I'm sure lol), and this is actually one that I won't get to see on TV either.
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You suck.
Masterful by grillrat.
Also notable that either snowflake and millennial have been sort of melted down into base pejoratives, where there's some tone behind them, but much of the shape has been lost. What happened to them (and what they meant to different people to begin with) would be a fascinating discussion in some other spot, perhaps the offseason.
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Sconnie:
A crass, humorously trademarked attempt at marketing a stereotypical vision of the "Wisconsin lifestyle." Frequently emblazoned upon t-shirts or sweatshirts, this term (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=term) easily identifies people (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=people) who are of below-average intelligence. Accordingly, many believe that wearing such a garment will (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=will) make people think (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=think) they are actually from Wisconsin, although this is never the case, as people actually born and raised in Wisconsin know just (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=just) how ridiculous and sad the whole so-called "movement" is.
Person 1: "Yeah, I ate brats all day yesterday, and washed them down with a tall, cool (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cool) Old Milwaukee! I'm such a sconnie, man (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=man)!"
Person 2: "Shut up before I kill (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kill) you. You are from Seattle."
If I may provide some of the history as I understand it (the company's rise coincided with my time in Madison).
As Marq said, it starts with the towers. The longstanding private dorms tended to draw from a particular subset of students: wealthy, showing certain trappings of that wealth, from the Northeast or Los Angeles, often associated with a particular religious background but not limited to it (as a member of said faith, I can say that). They tended to flow into Greek life in high numbers. They tended to associate more with each other and become somewhat cloistered. What's more, they tended to stray toward a particular appearance, more the ladies but also the men.
These folks were known as coasties.
As those people were treated as outsiders, people from the state became a yin to that yang. Obviously painting things as broad binary stereotypes oversimplifies, but in-state folks hailing from smaller towns or less luxury were assigned the mantle of Sconnies simply for contrast. That in some ways was visual, describing people dressed in a less pretty or ditzy manner (plaid was mentioned, though obviously not everyone was in on that).
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Masterful by grillrat.
He's been at it since about 2002 or so. He should be a master.
I'm from Chicago. I was just a FIB up there.
I got along pretty well with the "coasties" while in Madison, although they weren't called that when I was there. But being in Ag Engineering, I was always around Wisconsin folk. Good people most all of them, including that one kid from NYC, of that one religion, that I hung out with all the time. Bastage beat me out for tops in the class by 0.02 on the GPA. MF'r.
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"If we all were hanging out I could tlk about this for 3 hours."
I'm pretty sure we've done that bro. :)
Well of course we hung out, was slamming Morgan on my brain that night?
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He's been at it since about 2002 or so. He should be a master.
I'm from Chicago. I was just a FIB up there.
I got along pretty well with the "coasties" while in Madison, although they weren't called that when I was there. But being in Ag Engineering, I was always around Wisconsin folk. Good people most all of them, including that one kid from NYC, of that one religion, that I hung out with all the time. Bastage beat me out for tops in the class by 0.02 on the GPA. MF'r.
He's been at it since about 2002 or so. He should be a master.
I'm from Chicago. I was just a FIB up there.
I got along pretty well with the "coasties" while in Madison, although they weren't called that when I was there. But being in Ag Engineering, I was always around Wisconsin folk. Good people most all of them, including that one kid from NYC, of that one religion, that I hung out with all the time. Bastage beat me out for tops in the class by 0.02 on the GPA. MF'r.
You still being ticked at that GPA gave me a big ole grin.
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i have used "wiscy" at just about every chance- at first for the abbreviated simplicity, but later because i just plain like it...
being from tennessee, i wouldn't know what the hell someone was talking about if it was referred to as 'tenny'... or living in the carolina's, would look upon someone as if bone structure was growing from their forehead if they called themselves collectively 'carols'.... i once pissed off @CWSooner (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1544) using okey shorthand for, well, okey... i use it all the time now just because..... but wiscy? (with a C) that's just plain cool, or as the Big12 crew likes to say it's "hella cool", isn't that right @CharleyHorse46 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=21) ? ....
my connection to Michigan is through the iron region of the UP... they have a bad rap- but hell, i like it up there, and prefer to drive through wiscy to get there. they think i talk funny. it gets me free beer sometimes in the bars... i tell them my name is tenny and they don't ask anything or even look at me funny. they're ALL packer fans- i screwed up badly last year announcing that i liked Aikman and Buck... they stopped giving me beer when i did that so i had to move to another bar, where the guy at the bar had a name Laura or laury or something real close to that, so i told him with a straight face my name was carol...
people take that aikman/buck thing way too damn serious.
haji's hate to be called MF'r... i once missed two Qatari fighter pilots come to blows ending with one shooting the other in the face (dude lived) by about five minutes... because one jokingly called the other a MF'r.... hell, that could have been me. i use that descriptor as often as i do 'darlin' when discussing my wife, truck, or boat...
and since we're discussing things that really don't matter- just today i was standing outside polluting the air with an american spirit adjacent a group of Marines who were present for some training... young guys... i don't understand them anymore.. young people, that is... they laugh at shit that is only humorous (to them) because it's random.... one of them was talking about 'leave' season approaching where most of them head out for the holidays- and said "i'll be free as a bird for at least a week or two".... there was a pause while everyone lit their smokes, and another of them said one of those random things, but this one actually caught me funny and and elicited a giggle- he said "i don't know why everyone say's 'free as a bird'.... i've never seen a bird just fuckin' off"... well... he has a point.
none of them must be from okey because they all laughed, too. maybe they're sconners, mostly. i thought i hears a few discussions about "bah's" though- which if you don't know are what yankees call watering holes- not the yorker yankees, but the ones way up north of them but not so north they're willing to "live free or die".
anyway.... somebody come over and answer my water heater question in the general board so i'll shut up.
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Is Cheese Head still permissible?
What about Spoilermakers?
Spoilermakers is a badge of honor and is perfectly acceptable.
In fact, it will be most fitting after Saturdays game.
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Back to the game:
I said upthread that I thought this was HUGE for the B1G-W race but that didn't get any discussion because the thread turned into badge vs world on Sconnie/Whisky.
If Wisconsin wins:
The B1G-W race is basically over. The Badgers will be 3-0 with wins over three B1G-W opponents (NU, UNL, PU). The best any other B1G-W team could possibly be is 3-1 but:
- That would be Nebraska and it would require Nebraska to beat Ohio State which certainly seems unlikely, and
- Even if Nebraska does beat tOSU to move to 3-1 they would still effectively by two games behind Wisconsin due to the H2H loss.
There is even a chance that, with a win, Wisconsin could effectively take a three-game lead in the B1G-W over all but Iowa. That would require:
- Wisconsin beating Purdue
- Nebraska losing to Ohio State
- Minnesota losing to Michigan State
- Illinois losing to Rutgers
If all of that happens the new B1G-W standings will be:
- 3-0 Wisconsin
- 2-2 Nebraska (with a loss to Wisconsin)
- 1-2 Iowa
- 1-2 Purdue (with a loss to Wisconsin)
- 1-2 or 0-3 Northwestern (with a loss to Wisconsin)
- 0-3 Minnesota
- 0-3 Illinois
There just isn't any plausible way for any of those teams to come back and win the B1G-W.
If Purdue wins:
The B1G-W race gets REALLY interesting. The new standings would be:
- 2-1 Wisconsin (loss to Purdue)
- 2-1 Purdue (loss to B1G-E team)
- 3-1 or 2-2 Nebraska (loss to Wisconsin and possibly B1G-E team)
- 1-2 Iowa (losses to two B1G-E teams)
- 1-2 or 0-3 Minnesota (losses to Purdue and one or two B1G-E teams)
- 1-2 or 0-3 Illinois (losses to UNL, Iowa, and possibly B1G-E team)
- 1-2 or 0-3 Northwestern (loses to Wisconsin and one or two B1G-E teams)
In that case Purdue and Iowa would control their own destiny. Additionally, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and any of the other three (MN, ILL, NU) that win this weekend would still be in the race.
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He's been at it since about 2002 or so. He should be a master.
Bitch please. I've been at this since the last millennium.
As for the game.....We're going to lose....badly.
This is not me sandbaggin'. This is a statement of fact. Purdue is better this year, I can see that with my own eyes, but we are not on the level yet where we can effectively compete against an upper level team. The Michigan game proved that too me.
We will keep it close for a half, likely a 14-7 ish score. Then Wisconsin's ground game will take over in the second half.
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I started "here" in 2002...
In other news:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DL8j5wbXcAAlnAO.jpg)
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If Purdue wins:
(https://i.giphy.com/media/BYhoMtJMQsYVy/giphy.webp)
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.... or as the Big12 crew likes to say it's "hella cool", isn't that right @CharleyHorse46 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=21) ? ....
Perhaps you arbitrarily (i.e. halfassedly) muddle everyone west of the Mississippi into one big collection of people you call "the Big 12 crew" but there are actually distinct pockets of humanity out here.
Hella is an American slang term that originated in East Oakland, California (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Oakland,_California), but has since spread to become native slang to all of northern California (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_California).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hella#cite_note-Eghan-1) It is used as an adverb such as in "hella bad" or "hella good" and was eventually added to the Oxford English Dictionary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_English_Dictionary) in 2002.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hella#cite_note-Eghan-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hella#cite_note-OED-2) It is possibly a contraction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contraction_(grammar)) of the phrase "hell of a" or "hell of a lot [of]", in turn reduced to "hell of",[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hella#cite_note-OED-2) though some scholars doubt this etymology since its grammatical usage does not align with those phrases.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hella#cite_note-Eghan-1) It often appears in place of the words "really", "a lot", "totally", "very", and in some cases, "yes". Whereas hell of a is generally used with a noun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noun), according to linguist Pamela Munro (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamela_Munro), hella is primarily used to modify an adjective (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjective)such as "good".[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hella#cite_note-3)
According to lexicographer Allan A. Metcalf, the word is a marker of northern California (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_California) dialect.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hella#cite_note-4) According to Colleen Cotter, "Southern Californians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_California) know the term ... but rarely use it." Sometimes the term grippa is used to mock "NorCal" dialect, with the actual meaning being the opposite of hella.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hella#cite_note-5)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hella
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i have used "wiscy" at just about every chance- at first for the abbreviated simplicity, but later because i just plain like it...
being from tennessee, i wouldn't know what the hell someone was talking about if it was referred to as 'tenny'... or living in the carolina's, would look upon someone as if bone structure was growing from their forehead if they called themselves collectively 'carols'.... i once pissed off @CWSooner (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1544) using okey shorthand for, well, okey... i use it all the time now just because..... but wiscy? (with a C) that's just plain cool, or as the Big12 crew likes to say it's "hella cool", isn't that right @CharleyHorse46 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=21) ? ....
Now as for the greater context...
I find I can go through life just fine without every even thinking about, let alone having to reference Wisconsin, Tennessee or the Carolinas.
They have no relevance in my world.
If they come up at all, it's every once in a blue moon, so I have no trouble writing out the entire word. It's not like I'm going to pass out from exhaustion between the C and the O. It's not like I get the S and scream, "My God, will this word never end?!" It's not like I need to wipe my brow when I've finished writing it.
If you can't write out the entire word 'Wisconsin' I suggest you consult a physician about your chronic fatigue. That cannot be normal.
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The word that galls me is Cincinnati. Much like Wisconsin, Tennessee and the Carolinas, I try to not think about Cincinnati anymore than I have to but I find it annoyingly comes up at least annually.
And it's so instinctively wrong. It should have two Ts and one N, instead of two Ns and one T.
There is absolutely no reason on earth why they would go with two Ns and one T except just to piss people off.
It's like backing a trailer. When I write the word Cincinnati, I have to stop and consider what would be natural and sensible and then purposely do the opposite to get it right.
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eh, y'all get too attached to whatever it is an go all wiki- chances are, in the context used 'Wiscy' is understood... as is Okey... hella...
grippa is new, it sounds like something i do just before and when i piss... i might use it or that, or i may not- time will tell- but i'm pretty sure it'll be reserved for that usage. this has to be the first time in a long time if not ever i've discussed pissing beyond an abbreviated sentence ...abbreviated to two; i.e. 'gotta' as opposed to 'i'm going to' or 'i have to' or from three, which i suspect may happen in the more cultivated regions which would go something like "I must...", but i doubt that would be said without further qualification such as "jolly, chaps, it has arrived at the moment i must piss"- which would get some mighty strange looks in my circles- though 'gotta piss' is widely accepted even around gentler sexes or children.... which is more valuable? proper like and delivery focused, or communicating what you've got to communicate as quickly and accurately as possible? i get doctors speaking all specific, but that's about it... maybe engineers... possibly short order cooks so long as you don't get winded- they can really eff some stuff up if you leave too much to chance regardless of their lack of vast selection of ingredients.
'message to garcia' may be an excellent read for some.. here is a wiki you seem to favor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Message_to_Garcia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Message_to_Garcia)
analytical types get all wrapped around the axles with specifics or minutia... i'd rather look at just the big picture until looking closer is warranted.
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I often like to mumble common retorts with hidden messages for astute listeners but nothing out of the ordinary to rouse the lazy listener.
For example some coworker may share a flawed plan with me. I will listen attentively, nod and mumble, "Sounds risible to me." And they will grin approvingly and say, "Well, if YOU think it's reasonable..."
Or say a woman is being particularly troublesome. I might nod and mumble, "Yes, mayhem." They'll snort and nod sharply as if to say, "That's better." They of course think I'm saying, "Yes, ma'am."
And so it is. I go through life, dazzling myself with my brilliance like that.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVZs2HHgfZk
you're somewhere between take two and take three at present, Sir.
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Well jeez. Charlie and Drew really messed up this thread...
Heh.
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..... damn interlopers... y'all ought to have better security... locks, or... sumpin'. (that's "something" for @CharleyHorse46 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=21) )....
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I don't recall having ever said "sumpin."
A sump pump pumps out flooded basements so I suppose one could verbalize the pumping out of one's basement as sumping, but alas, we do not have basements in Texas. We are the wise men, sung of in the children's church song, who build their house upon the rock.
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I think 'sumpin is up with ELA. He usually would have posted his "ELA's October 14th Breakdown" by now.
Slacker
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Properly designed lots and basements do not need sump pumps.
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Properly designed lots and basements do not need sump pumps.
Oh great you guys had to get him going.
Now he's going to lecture us about how America's basements need to be reclaimed by mother nature
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Hey, it could be worse. At least this PU/UW thread hasn't [yet] devolved into an OSU/Mich thread like they all eventually do...
I swear it's the Godwin's Law of the B1G board -- all threads, at some point or another, will devolve into an OSU/Mich thread.
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Oh great you guys had to get him going.
Now he's going to lecture us about how America's basements need to be reclaimed by mother nature
Nope, not gonna do that, except I WILL state plainly that the basements in Chicago were originally planned to hold stormwater (wastewater..).
Then people started buying standpipes to put in their floor drains because they figured they would use the space. And BOOM. All of that planned storage is out the window.
Anyway, anything that has to rely on mechanical/structural means (pumps/walls) for protection from water is doomed to fail. It always does.
Damn, Martha! The F'ing sump pump went out and the F'ing man cave is flooded!!
Geez Howard. Why on earth would you put a $50,000.00 man cave in a basement that is subject to protection by only mechanical means and not by gravity alone?
F U Martha, you damn engineer!
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Hey, it could be worse. At least this PU/UW thread hasn't [yet] devolved into an OSU/Mich thread like they all eventually do...
I swear it's the Godwin's Law of the B1G board -- all threads, at some point or another, will devolve into an OSU/Mich thread.
I don't think they would ever latch on to this thread. This thread has potential. Like a lot.
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I don't think they would ever latch on to this thread. This thread has potential. Like a lot.
This thread coulda had class. This thread coulda been a contender.
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So we get the pussification of America's basements lecture instead?
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So we get the pussification of America's basements lecture instead?
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We could do a POA whitin the context of this thread. Sure.
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Only appropriate that a dood called Whiskey is posting in the thread by the way.
Who was you in the previous incarnation of these here boards?
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Only appropriate that a dood called Whiskey is posting in the thread by the way.
Who was you in the previous incarnation of these here boards?
MisterBlack
It's all in good faith. I'd gladly drink a whiskey/whisky/scotch with ya any time.
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Ah, you're Mr Black. Here I thought we gained a new Purdue fan.
What state do you reside in, btw? Do you make it back to RossAde much?
I was excited when I saw this thread had 70+ posts, and then disappointed when I saw it was for hijacked crapola.
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Crapola?
WTF...
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MisterBlack
It's all in good faith. I'd gladly drink a whiskey/whisky/scotch with ya any time.
Glad you made it over here.
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Wisky, Wisky, Wisky!
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Hey, it could be worse. At least this PU/UW thread hasn't [yet] devolved into an OSU/Mich thread like they all eventually do...
I swear it's the Godwin's Law of the B1G board -- all threads, at some point or another, will devolve into an OSU/Mich thread.
Well that's interesting given the B1G's argument of egalitarian superiority that sometimes comes up when conferences are compared.
It's also interesting that Big 12 threads scarcely devolve into Texas/OU threads but instead always evolve into food thread.
Or a condiment thread.
I like salsa.
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Or pie.
Here, we do PI.
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Ah, you're Mr Black. Here I thought we gained a new Purdue fan.
What state do you reside in, btw? Do you make it back to RossAde much?
I was excited when I saw this thread had 70+ posts, and then disappointed when I saw it was for hijacked crapola.
Us Purdue fans are in short supply. Maybe not much longer though. Funny, I went to a party for the Purdue/Michigan game, hosted by a friend. Of course the vast majority wore maize and blue. The wife and I were the only people wearing gold and black. A few of them told me I was the only Purdue fan they had ever met.
Does that count as Michigan hijacking the thread?
I live in Florida. I have not been able to make it back to WL in a long time.
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My city is a melting pot. Folks from India, Pakistan, Indonesia, China, California and all parts of the world come flooding in to enjoy the quality of life.
Sometimes I'll see entire families decked out in Red Sox gear or Packers paraphernalia or even Manchester garb.
And among the throng I've met a goodly number of folks from Indiana. Amusing people who all have a different story as to how the phrase Hoosier came about and who all seem kind of hurt when I point out that Indiana is known far and wide as the Mississippi of the North.
Never met a Purdue fan though. I've met Domers, Colt fans, Hoosier fans and Vonnegut fans. No Purdue fans though.
Odd. Don't y'all have a pretty good enrollment? I wonder where they all go.
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Or pie.
Here, we do PI.
Biblical pi?
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Biblical pi?
or Parris Island.... but it can't be that. One doesn't 'do' Parris Island... Parris Island 'does' you.
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3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937 5105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117 0679821480865132823066470938446095505822317253594 0812848111745028410270193852110555964462294895493 0381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271 2019091456485669234603486104543266482133936072602 4914127372458700660631558817488152092096282925409 1715364367892590360011330530548820466521384146951 9415116094330572703657595919530921861173819326117 9310511854807446237996274956735188575272489122793 8183011949129833673362440656643086021394946395224 7371907021798609437027705392171762931767523846748 1846766940513200056812714526356082778577134275778 9609173637178721468440901224953430146549585371050 7922796892589235420199561121290219608640344181598 1362977477130996051870721134999999837297804995105 9731732816096318595024459455346908302642522308253 3446850352619311881710100031378387528865875332083 8142061717766914730359825349042875546873115956286 3882353787593751957781857780532171226806613001927 87661119590921642019
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You're missing a few numbers there on the end.
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Just to bring us full circle The Indiana Pi Bill (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill)
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My city is a melting pot. Folks from India, Pakistan, Indonesia, China, California and all parts of the world come flooding in to enjoy the quality of life.
Sometimes I'll see entire families decked out in Red Sox gear or Packers paraphernalia or even Manchester garb.
And among the throng I've met a goodly number of folks from Indiana. Amusing people who all have a different story as to how the phrase Hoosier came about and who all seem kind of hurt when I point out that Indiana is known far and wide as the Mississippi of the North.
Never met a Purdue fan though. I've met Domers, Colt fans, Hoosier fans and Vonnegut fans. No Purdue fans though.
Odd. Don't y'all have a pretty good enrollment? I wonder where they all go.
That's really odd, actually. Generally outside of Indiana, I don't find many Hoosier fans. I find a LOT of Purdue fans. Now, part of that might be the people I am most often around (engineering types), but in general I see way more Purdue license plates / car stickers than IU.
Of course there are a lot of Domers everywhere, but most of them aren't from Indiana (and have never even been to the state, much less South Bend). But that's a different issue altogether...
But yeah, California seems to have a lot more Boilermakers than Hoosiers.
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Hmm....
Odd...
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Famous Purdue grad Orville Redenbacher. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orville_Redenbacher)
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So, I was impressed by how the Boilers responded after going down 14-0. The D gave up some yards but had some opportunistic plays to create turnovers and made UW (did that for you Badge) work over the final 3 quarters. I am not in the camp that we would have won if we could have returned the block punt for a TD, but would have been more interesting to see a little more pressure on them. Our offense has challenges against good defenses like this, but once Brohm gets some of his recruits at O Line and WR, he will get that going. All in all they showed some heart on Saturday, if they continue to play that way the rest of the season the W's will come.
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Crapola?
WTF...
The Charley play on words posts weren't my cup of tea when I was thinking pregame analysis. That's all.
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Us Purdue fans are in short supply. Maybe not much longer though. Funny, I went to a party for the Purdue/Michigan game, hosted by a friend. Of course the vast majority wore maize and blue. The wife and I were the only people wearing gold and black. A few of them told me I was the only Purdue fan they had ever met.
Does that count as Michigan hijacking the thread?
I live in Florida. I have not been able to make it back to WL in a long time.
Nebraska game jsut got flexed to night. (Freaking LOVE this latest tv deal). Make it up to Wlaf and you can hang with me and IntegrinB at a fun tailgate. I'm planning to smoke/inject with honey mustard a bone in ham and will also smoke chicken or turkey.
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Or pie.
Here, we do PI.
Now that's a play on words I can respect.
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Well that's interesting given the B1G's argument of egalitarian superiority that sometimes comes up when conferences are compared.
It's also interesting that Big 12 threads scarcely devolve into Texas/OU threads but instead always evolve into food thread.
Or a condiment thread.
I like salsa.
Doesn't it have to be Rotel if BTN is involved?
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So we get the pussification of America's basements lecture instead?
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I like the basement angle, I missed that thread rant in the past apparently.
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So, I was impressed by how the Boilers responded after going down 14-0. The D gave up some yards but had some opportunistic plays to create turnovers and made UW (did that for you Badge) work over the final 3 quarters. I am not in the camp that we would have won if we could have returned the block punt for a TD, but would have been more interesting to see a little more pressure on them. Our offense has challenges against good defenses like this, but once Brohm gets some of his recruits at O Line and WR, he will get that going. All in all they showed some heart on Saturday, if they continue to play that way the rest of the season the W's will come.
A lot of Purdue fans at work today were bemoaning the lost opportunities of us blowing this game where we had a hammy pulled on a sure TD after blocked punt and probably should have had the pick-6 too. I guess maybe it's because I am so used to Wisc always kicking the living shit out of us that I came out shrugging my shoulders and looking to the future. I think this can still be an 8 win team, though we really are going to struggle vs anyone that has a front 7, our line is so avg and has no depth (thank you Hazell) and our WR's are meh enough they cant get much separation (see previous.)
The Sindelar pick did piss me off since it was such an obvious situation to either do a QB keeper or throw away, but I still don't think that swings the game completely. With Hopkins not getting in for the TD on the screen, I didn't see us scoring a TD, so with smarter play I think that turns into another 3 points. Obviously Wisc would have tried a but harder on O if we suddenly tie it at 17 there. The only advantage would the pressure would have been on Wisc and if so, my pregame prophecy of Purdue needing to be +4 on TO's just to have a chance, could have fully manifested.