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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: LittlePig on June 04, 2019, 01:08:44 PM
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SEC (10 bowls)
2020-25 lineup:
Sugar vs. Big 12
Citrus vs. Big Ten
Las Vegas vs. Pac-12/Belk vs. ACC
Outback vs. Big Ten
Texas vs. Big 12
Gator vs. ACC
Music City vs. Big Ten
Liberty vs. Big 12
Birmingham vs. American
Gasparilla vs. American
Changes: The new Las Vegas and Belk bowls are expected to be in the pool of bowls for selections three through eight (along with Texas, Outback, Gator, Music City and Liberty). The Citrus Bowl will still receive the second pick (after the College Football Playoff selections and Sugar Bowl). The SEC vs. Pac-12 matchup in the Las Vegas Bowl will be the first non-playoff matchup between the conferences since the 1989 Freedom Bowl.
ACC (11 bowls)
2020-25 lineup:
Orange vs. SEC/Big Ten/Notre Dame
Camping World vs. Big 12
Belk vs. SEC/Big Ten
Holiday vs. Pac-12
Fenway Park vs. American
Pinstripe vs. Big Ten
Sun vs. Pac-12
Gator vs. SEC
Military vs. American
Independence vs. Pac-12
Gasparilla vs. SEC
Changes: The 15-member ACC – including Notre Dame for bowl purposes – will have guaranteed bowl bids for 73 percent of its membership, most among all conferences. The ACC will no longer play in the Quick Lane Bowl in Detroit, instead participating in the new Fenway Park Bowl against the American and the ACC replaced the Big Ten in the Holiday Bowl. Also, the ACC will play in the Outback Bowl in place of the Big Ten any year in which the Big Ten has a team in the Orange Bowl. This arrangement was previously with the Citrus Bowl.
Big 10 (9 bowls)
2020-25 lineup:
Rose vs. Pac-12
Edit: Orange (ACC vs SEC/Big Ten/ND)
Citrus vs. SEC
Outback vs. SEC
Edit: years that Big Ten sends a team to Orange Bowl, the ACC will take the Big Ten's spot in the Outback Bowl
Las Vegas vs. Pac-12/Belk vs. ACC
Edit: years that Big Ten sends a team to Las Vegas, the Big Ten won't send a team to the Belk Bowl, and Vice Versa.
Music City vs. SEC
Pinstripe vs. ACC
Redbox vs. Pac-12
Edit: Quick Lane vs. MAC
Cheez-It vs. Big 12
Changes: The biggest difference for the Big Ten in the new cycle is adding Las Vegas/Belk in place of the Holiday Bowl. Also, the Big Ten replaces the Pac-12 in the Cheez-It Bowl. The Big Ten will have the highest percentage of bowl games against other Power 5 opponents – eight of nine – including three bowls each vs. the SEC and Pac-12. One change among the Big Ten bowl opponents is the Quick Lane Bowl, where the Big Ten is expected to play a team from the American instead of the ACC.
Pac-12 (8)
2020-25 lineup:
Rose vs. Big Ten
Alamo vs. Big 12
Las Vegas vs. SEC/Big Ten
Los Angeles vs. Mountain West
Holiday vs. ACC
Redbox vs. Big Ten
Sun vs. ACC
Independence vs. ACC
Changes: The NCAA granted the Pac-12 an additional bowl bid in the new cycle and the Pac-12 is expected to add the Los Angeles Bowl vs. the Mountain West and the Independence Bowl against the ACC. The Pac-12 also will play against either the SEC or the Big Ten in the new Las Vegas Bowl. By adding two bowls, the Pac-12 had to drop one – it’s expected to be the Cheez-It Bowl. The Pac-12 will now have Power 5 opponents in seven of its eight bowls, including three from the ACC and at least two from the Big Ten.
Big 12 (7 bowls)
2020-25 lineup:
Sugar vs. SEC
Alamo vs. Pac-12
Camping World vs. ACC
Texas vs. SEC
Liberty vs. SEC
Cheez-It vs. Big Ten
Armed Forces vs. Group of 5/First Responder vs. Group of 5
Changes: None. The Big 12 will maintain its same bowl affiliations in the new bowl cycle. The Big 12 will play three SEC opponents and one each from the ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12. The biggest changes will be facing the Big Ten instead of the Pac-12 in the Cheez-It Bowl and facing a Group of 5 opponent in the Armed Forces/First Responder bowls.
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So Cheez It goes back to what it was very recently, right? I think MSU-TCU and UM-KSU were matchups in back to back years in like 2012 and 2013?
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Woo hoo! The Cheeze-it Bowl (AKA the Copper/Cactus/Insight.com) is back to a Big Ten vs. Big 12 matchup. Not sure where it falls in the Big Ten pecking order. Guessing it will be below the Music City but hopefully above the Pinnstripe.
Hopefully the Pinstripe will only be for 2 more years until the 8-year contract runs out. That bowl can't go away fast enough as far as I am concerned.
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Need one more game against the XII.
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and one less vs. American
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Big 12 (7 bowls)
2020-25 lineup:
Sugar vs. SEC
Alamo vs. Pac-12
Camping World vs. ACC
Texas vs. SEC
Liberty vs. SEC
Cheez-It vs. Big Ten
Armed Forces vs. Group of 5/First Responder vs. Group of 5
Changes: None. The Big 12 will maintain its same bowl affiliations in the new bowl cycle. The Big 12 will play three SEC opponents and one each from the ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12. The biggest changes will be facing the Big Ten instead of the Pac-12 in the Cheez-It Bowl and facing a Group of 5 opponent in the Armed Forces/First Responder bowls.
I don't get the Discussion of the "Armed Forces/First Responder bowl."
Per the Font of All Wisdom and Knowledge, here's the current tie-in arrangement for the First Responder Bowl:
. . . C-USA is contracted to send a team each season, with alternating appearances from the Big Ten (even seasons) and Big 12 (odd seasons). For the 2015 season, the Big 12 did not have enough bowl-eligible teams, so the selection committee selected the Washington Huskies from the Pac-12 Conference to take its place. For the 2016 season, the Big Ten sent four teams to CFP bowls, so the selection committee chose an at-large team, independent Army, to take its place.
As this is an odd year, the Big 12 would seem to have the commitment.
As for the Armed Forces Bowl:
2019: Mountain West vs. Big Ten
So it would seem that the discussion should be about the First Responder Bowl, with nothing said about the Armed Forces Bowl. And the Armed Forces Bowl should be mentioned in the discussion of the Big Ten's bowls.
Maybe someone should tell the writer at watchstadium.com how to spell "Big Ten."
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Need one more game against the XII.
And the Big 12 could use one or two fewer against the SEC.
I liked it when the Alamo Bowl was a Big 12 vs. Big Ten matchup.
I remember a great Nebraska vs. Michigan State game there, back in the bad old days before the Big 12 went on life support.
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Huskers played a very competitive game in the Alamo 2 years later vs Michigan and Chad Henne
I-back Cory Ross was the hero in both Alamo bowls
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Hey, that's three bowls within relatively easy driving distance for me...
Not that I expect Purdue to make the Rose, but I can drive to Vegas or Phoenix pretty easily.
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FWIW, the Fiesta and Peach Bowls are the CFP Semifinals this year.
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Big Ten dot org is saying they have 11 bowls, not 9.
http://btn.com/2019/06/04/big-ten-announces-revamped-bowl-lineup/ (http://btn.com/2019/06/04/big-ten-announces-revamped-bowl-lineup/)
B1G BOWL LINEUP
Rose Bowl Game (Pasadena, Calif.) [vs. Pac-12]
Capital One Orange Bowl (Miami) [vs. CFP?]
Citrus Bowl (Orlando, Fla.) [vs. SEC]
Outback Bowl (Tampa, Fla.) [vs. SEC]
Las Vegas Bowl (Las Vegas) [vs. Pac-12]
Music City Bowl (Nashville, Tenn.) [vs. SEC]
New Era Pinstripe Bowl (Bronx, N.Y.) [vs. ACC]
Belk Bowl (Charlotte, N.C.) [vs. ACC]
Cheez-It Bowl (Phoenix) [vs. Big 12]
Redbox Bowl (Santa Clara, Calif.) [vs. Pac-12]
Quick Lane Bowl (Detroit, Mich.) [vs. American]
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Cheez It Bowl? :57:
Quicklane should be vs the Mac champ, up there in Detroit.
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Although the Big Ten technically has agreements with 11 different bowls, they will only go to 9 of those bowls each year.
The agreement with the Orange Bowl is that any year that the Big Ten sends a non-playoff team to the Orange, then the Big Ten won't send a team to the Outback Bowl. The ACC will then take the Big Ten's spot in the Outback Bowl instead.
The agreements with the Belk and Las Vegas Bowls are split 50/50 deals. Whenever the Big Ten sends a team to the Las Vegas Bowl, it won't send a team to the Belk, and Vice Versa.
Net result. 9 bowls a year for the Big Ten
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I find it interesting how few of these bowls sell out, or even come close to it. I think at times they sell some tickets, but the holders look like empty seats.
Without TV, we'd probably have 15 bowl games or so I suspect.
I wonder when the last bowl game happened with zero TV coverage.
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I find it interesting how few of these bowls sell out, or even come close to it. I think at times they sell some tickets, but the holders look like empty seats.
Without TV, we'd probably have 15 bowl games or so I suspect.
I wonder when the last bowl game happened with zero TV coverage.
Doesn't ESPN own a good deal of these?
That's why I wonder why they stage them all over the place. Wouldn't it be cheaper for them just to play them in their Disney football stadium in Orlando or whatever?
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My impression is that many of them are "owned" by the cities, like Shreveport, LA, which has of course had one for decades now. I suppose if a smaller city can host a bowl game and get even 20,000 fans in from other areas it's a plus for them economically. I'm guessing Las Vegas will end up shoveling money into their bowl and they might end up being an NC game contender soonish.
I can begin to see going to a game in Nashville or Orlando ot LV or even Tampa, perhaps with the family. Going to NYC for a bowl game? Nope.
Memphis? Nope. Charlotte? Nope.
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Although the Big Ten technically has agreements with 11 different bowls, they will only go to 9 of those bowls each year.
The agreement with the Orange Bowl is that any year that the Big Ten sends a non-playoff team to the Orange, then the Big Ten won't send a team to the Outback Bowl. The ACC will then take the Big Ten's spot in the Outback Bowl instead.
The agreements with the Belk and Las Vegas Bowls are split 50/50 deals. Whenever the Big Ten sends a team to the Las Vegas Bowl, it won't send a team to the Belk, and Vice Versa.
Net result. 9 bowls a year for the Big Ten
There's still the issue of the Armed Forces Bowl and First Responders Bowl, each of which is supposed to get a B1G team in alternating years. Or so sayeth Wikipedia, anyway.
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There's still the issue of the Armed Forces Bowl and First Responders Bowl, each of which is supposed to get a B1G team in alternating years. Or so sayeth Wikipedia, anyway.
Those will be gone from the Big Ten lineup after 2019. 2019 is the last year.
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Ah, thanks!
Perhaps I should have looked at the title of the thread a little more closely.
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I find it interesting how few of these bowls sell out, or even come close to it. I think at times they sell some tickets, but the holders look like empty seats.
Without TV, we'd probably have 15 bowl games or so I suspect.
I wonder when the last bowl game happened with zero TV coverage.
Was searching about the last bowl w/o TV coverage and found this sparkling tidbit:
With six bowl games on the New Year’s Day calendar in 1937, an Associated Press headline proclaimed “‘Bowl’ Grid Games Are Here to Stay.” That was in spite of the vocal opposition of the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA), which had just unanimously adopted a report that held post-season bowls had no place in college football “because they serve no sound educational ends, and such promotions merely trade upon intercollegiate football for commercial purposes.”
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My impression is that many of them are "owned" by the cities, like Shreveport, LA, which has of course had one for decades now. I suppose if a smaller city can host a bowl game and get even 20,000 fans in from other areas it's a plus for them economically. I'm guessing Las Vegas will end up shoveling money into their bowl and they might end up being an NC game contender soonish.
I can begin to see going to a game in Nashville or Orlando ot LV or even Tampa, perhaps with the family. Going to NYC for a bowl game? Nope.
Memphis? Nope. Charlotte? Nope.
From Wikipedia, FWIW
ERT (ESPN Events) acquired its first bowl game in 2001, with its purchase of the Las Vegas Bowl from the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority. The company moved into the area as it saw that some of their conference partners had teams that were bowl-eligible, but with no bowl available to take them. By 2013, ERT had founded two new bowl games and purchased four additional games. The games primarily serve as a source of live content for ESPN during the early weeks of bowl season, prior to the larger, traditional games in proximity to New Year's Day (such as the College Football Playoff "New Year's Six", which are also broadcast by ESPN). This strategy has been successful for ESPN, although it has in recent years contributed to an oversaturation of bowl games that have prevented them from all being populated by bowl-eligible teams. ESPN also runs a Division I FCS bowl game, the Celebration Bowl, which is played between the champions of the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference (MEAC) and the Southwestern Athletic Conference (SWAC) — the two prominent conferences of historically black colleges and universities.
ESPN Events operates the following bowls, which ESPN televises:
Armed Forces Bowl
Birmingham Bowl
Bahamas Bowl
Boca Raton Bowl
Camellia Bowl
Celebration Bowl
Famous Idaho Potato Bowl
First Responder Bowl
Frisco Bowl
Gasparilla Bowl
Hawaii Bowl
Las Vegas Bowl
Myrtle Beach Bowl (2020)
New Mexico Bowl
Texas Bowl
ESPN Events also organizes several opening weekend games, such as the Camping World Kickoff, Advocare Texas Kickoff, and FCS Kickoff.
ESPN Events is also involved in college basketball, operating early-season events such as the AdvoCare Invitational, the Champions Classic, the Jimmy V Classic, the NIT Season Tip-Off, and the Phil Knight Invitational.
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Sounds like some of the McMurphy stuff might be off. He just tweeted the following—
“MAC replaces ACC as Big Ten’s opponent in Quick Lane Bowl in new bowl cycle from 2020-25
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So, ESPN does "own" (operate) a lot of bowls out there, interesting list, thanks.
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The Las Vegas Bowl stadium upgrade can’t come soon enough. One more year in that racehorse dump.
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These bowl games can be run as non-profits, and obviously they don't have to pay the players, so it isn't too hard for them to be "profitable" if they can get a sponsor and a tv contract. ESPN doesn't have to pay money for TV rights if they already own the bowl, so essentially they just pay schools to come play the game.
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The Peach Bowl was nonprofit for decades as I recall, and they struggled to make ends meet. They finally hit upon getting an ACC and SEC team that would travel. They actually got the ACC #2 team and SEC #5-6 team and they would lean to choosing a team that had a fan base if they could.
Combined with being on NYT and upgraded facilities, it turned into a success.
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99 percent of the players love bowl games. So, they don't mind having as many as possible.
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and the coaches love the extra practice and a mini vacation for their families
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The Peach Bowl was nonprofit for decades as I recall, and they struggled to make ends meet. They finally hit upon getting an ACC and SEC team that would travel. They actually got the ACC #2 team and SEC #5-6 team and they would lean to choosing a team that had a fan base if they could.
Combined with being on NYT and upgraded facilities, it turned into a success.
The CEO of the Peach Bowl made about $790K last year for his role. No doubt he would definitely do other games, for free, because he doesn't mind working for free.
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I don't really have a problem with a zillion of'em.
I know I'm prone to watching the Poulan Weedeater Applebies IBM Doritos Bowl also.
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The Peach Bowl is no longer nonprofit, I'm pretty sure, it once was. I think CFA basically "owns" it now. It has evolved into a Big Bowl.
They still have $2 hot dogs there.
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I don't really have a problem with a zillion of'em.
I know I'm prone to watching the Poulan Weedeater Applebies IBM Doritos Bowl also.
Ed Zachery
Even a crap bowl game is better than what ever other crap is on television at the time and if I find something better to do than watch the 45th bowl game, that's a bonus.
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The Peach Bowl is no longer nonprofit, I'm pretty sure, it once was. I think CFA basically "owns" it now. It has evolved into a Big Bowl.
They still have $2 hot dogs there.
It is still a nonprofit.
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Ah, thanks for correcting me, I figured it had changed with its new status. Interesting. I guess CFA is just the sponsor.
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I look for the day I have the ultimate conflict, i.e. FSU v. Iowa. I don't see that conflict coming in my lifetime with this bowl schedule.
I think I prefer to stay away from that conflict. I watched FSU @ Iowa in the ACC/Big Ten Challenge in basketball and sat there with my FSU cap and my Iowa shirt, watched silently and did not root. It was a different experience from being a fan. I can see how someone might neutrally watch recruits, and not take sides.
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The B1G seems to play the ACC rarely in football off the top of my head.
Why is it off the top of one's head?
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well, because if you dug down deeper in your head you might find something