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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: OrangeAfroMan on May 27, 2019, 04:39:35 PM
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Top 8 National Seeds:
1. UCLA (47-8)
2. Vanderbilt (49-10)
3. Georgia Tech (41-17)
4. Georgia (44-15)
5. Arkansas (41-17)
6. Miss State (46-13)
7. Louisville (43-15)
8. Texas Tech (39-17)
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Regionals (hosted by 1 seed in each):
1 UCLA
2 Baylor
3 LMU
4 Omaha
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1 Oregon St
2 Creighton
3 Michigan
4 Cincinnati
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1 Oklahoma St
2 UConn
3 Nebraska
4 Harvard
and
1 Texas Tech
2 Dallas Baptist
3 Florida
4 Army
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1 Arkansas
2 Cal
3 TCU
4 C. Connecticut
and
1 Ole Miss
2 Illinois
3 Clemson
4 Jacksonville St
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1 LSU
2 Arizona St
3 Southern Miss
4 Stony Brook
and
1 Georgia
2 FAU
3 Florida St
4 Mercer
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1 Vanderbilt
2 Indiana St
3 McNeese
4 Ohio St
and
1 West Virginia
2 Texas A&M
3 Duke
4 Fordham
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1 East Carolina
2 NC State
3 Campbell
4 Quinnipiac
and
1 Louisville
2 Indiana
3 Illinois St
4 UIC
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1 Miss State
2 Miami
3 CMU
4 Southern
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1 Stanford
2 UC-Santa Barbara
3 Fresno St
4 Sacramento St
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1 North Carolina
2 Tennessee
3 Liberty
4 UNC-Wilmington
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1 Georgia Tech
2 Auburn
3 Coastal Carolina
4 Florida A&M
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Each pair of regional winners connected with "and" will face off in the super-regionals. Winners of those go on to Omaha to play in the 8-team College World Series.
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I like that the Huskers get top play in OKC - driving distance
I also like that there are 3 teams from the state
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Wow, West Virginia is that good?
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WVU is hosting a post season baseball game for the first time since 1955. Fans are pretty pumped. Gonna be a tough ticket to get. But, yeah, the Mountaineers are pretty good this year. The Big 12 money allowed the school to build a much needed new stadium a few years ago and it has helped in recruiting and fielding better teams.
In 2016 WVU made a regional for the first time since 1997 and now are back hosting one. They also made the Big 12 championship game for the third time this past Saturday. There isn’t a lot of great baseball being played in the northeast. WVU is trying to establish itself as THE program in that part of the country.
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A lot of traditional powers having down years, ending up as 3 seeds. Florida, Clemson, FSU, TCU are more often hosts than not. Should be fun!
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I like that the Huskers get top play in OKC - driving distance
I also like that there are 3 teams from the state
It's supposed to be in Stillwater, but it's being moved to Bricktown because all the rain has left Allie P. Reynolds in bad shape.
Good luck to the Huskers, but Oklahoma State is playing very well right now.
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Bricktown is a bit further to drive, but Husker fans have always enjoyed the Bricktown.
Huskers playing as well as they have all season presently, 7-3 in their last ten vs some good competition
Huskers were 4-1 vs Texas Tech and Baylor this season
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Seems like an awful lot of teams left to me.
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well, they won't ALL make it to Omaha
got to whittle them down to 8
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Oklahoma City, Okla. – The Nebraska baseball team (32-22) compiled 13 hits and used a four-run third inning to defeat UConn, 8-5, in the opening game of the NCAA Oklahoma City Regional at Chickasaw Bricktown Ballpark on Friday afternoon. It marked the first time since 2008 that Nebraska won its first game of the NCAA Tournament.
The Huskers will play on Saturday at 7 p.m. (CT) against Oklahoma State
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OSU got drilled by Vandy. I had a feeling that they had zero chance of winning that game, but on the other hand even the best MLB teams are just about guaranteed to suffer at least 50 losses over the course of the season. So you never know. In theory.
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WVU takes down Fordham 6-2. Plays Duke tomorrow night in the winner’s bracket.
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Baseball obviously hinges on your pitching staff. A team might have one great pitcher and one pretty good one and do well over the season but their 3 and 4 guys might not be more than OK, and that can show up in a series. Spahn and Sain and ....
I see the Dawgs got up 13-0 early and pulled their starter after 2 innings. You don't see that often in MLB, if ever. They face FSU now.
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OSU got drilled by Vandy. I had a feeling that they had zero chance of winning that game, but on the other hand even the best MLB teams are just about guaranteed to suffer at least 50 losses over the course of the season. So you never know. In theory.
ouch
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Vandy is a tough matchup
hitting or pitching
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https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/baseball/d1/d1baseballcom-top-25 (https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/baseball/d1/d1baseballcom-top-25)
Ranked 2 nationally. 13-4 on the road in all games, which is impressive.
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Baseball obviously hinges on your pitching staff. A team might have one great pitcher and one pretty good one and do well over the season but their 3 and 4 guys might not be more than OK, and that can show up in a series. Spahn and Sain and ....
I see the Dawgs got up 13-0 early and pulled their starter after 2 innings. You don't see that often in MLB, if ever. They face FSU now.
WVU took a chance last night and sat their All-American pitcher against Fordham in hopes they could steal that one and save him for a potentially tougher game. That’s something you else you really don’t see in MLB much either. If your ace is ready you throw him. The first part of the plan worked. Now they are throwing Manoah tonight against Duke. If he mows them down then I guess the coach looks like a genius.
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Stayin' Alive...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8Ab5oAV4AAPl7Z.jpg)
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13 innings, YASS!
Stayin' Alive...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8Ab5oAV4AAPl7Z.jpg)
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Eliminated thus far:
4 seed Omaha
1 seed Oregon St OOPS
4 seed Harvard
4 seed Army
2 seed Cal
2 seed Illinois
4 seed Stony Brook
4 seed Mercer
3 seed McNeese
4 seed Fordham
4 seed UIC
4 seed Southern
2 seed UC-Santa Barbara
4 seed UNC-Wilmington
4 seed Florida A&M
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I admittedly don't follow the baseball team that much, but from what I understand, Michigan should win the region tomorrow, considering they already beat both Creighton and now Cincinnati convincingly and still have a regular starting pitcher who hasn't played this weekend yet..... Furthermore, top-ranked UCLA lost (though Michigan did beat them in the regular season), which Michigan would play the winner of that regional next weekend and potentially host it.
Apparently Urban Meyer's son plays for the Bearcats, but he struck out tonight.
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The Dawgs got blown out by FSU and are in trouble at home now.
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Very sad 9th.
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Michigan positioned really well to reach Omaha
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Big Ten with a poor start to the afternoon. Indiana eliminated by Louisville, Nebraska and OSU down to UConn and Indiana State respectively
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Indiana nearly comes back, OSU takes the lead. Huskers...
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WVU played Texas A&M in an elimination game today. Had a 9-1 lead that was trimmed to 10-7 entering the 9th. A&M had bases loaded with 2 outs and a 3-2 count on the hitter. Boom. Grand slam.
Life as a Mountaineer fan.
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Anybody else watch this? MxC?
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/aea03b3ece5783eb9ddeaee9778d4b75/tumblr_n9x9yh0IVS1sqbbhro1_400.jpg)
A Wipeout!-style show from Japan, with hilarious, goofy English voice-overs. I miss it. Anyway, same mantra between it and the CWS: DON'T GET ELIMINATED!
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Eliminated thus far:
4 seed Omaha
1 seed Oregon St OOPS
4 seed Harvard
4 seed Army
2 seed Cal
2 seed Illinois
4 seed Stony Brook
4 seed Mercer
3 seed McNeese
4 seed Fordham
4 seed UIC
4 seed Southern
2 seed UC-Santa Barbara
4 seed UNC-Wilmington
4 seed Florida A&M
Update:
2 seed Baylor is OUT
4 seed Cincinnati
3 seed Nebraska
3 seed Florida
4 seed Central Connecticut
3 seed Clemson
2 seed Arizona St
2 seed FAU
3 seed Coastal Carolina
3 seed Liberty
4 seed Sacramento St
3 seed Central Michigan
2 seed Indiana
2 seed NC State
1 seed West Virginia
4 seed Ohio St
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Bloody Sycamores.
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Michigan positioned really well to reach Omaha
And after losing to Creighton, UCLA coming from behind to beat Baylor, then beating Loyola Marymount, suddenly not looking so hot
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FSU beat UGA again, so UGA is out, after hosting. They often seem to do well and then not well in the regionals.
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WVU took a chance last night and sat their All-American pitcher against Fordham in hopes they could steal that one and save him for a potentially tougher game. That’s something you else you really don’t see in MLB much either. If your ace is ready you throw him. The first part of the plan worked. Now they are throwing Manoah tonight against Duke. If he mows them down then I guess the coach looks like a genius.
The way the season ended for WVU is gut wrenching.
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The way the season ended for WVU is gut wrenching.
It was brutal. The coach (Randy Mazey) has been getting barbecued the last couple of days. He stayed with two relievers way too long yesterday. The result in both cases was a grand slam that completely changed the game.
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Very sad 9th.
putting it mildly
oh well
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It was brutal. The coach (Randy Mazey) has been getting barbecued the last couple of days. He stayed with two relievers way too long yesterday. The result in both cases was a grand slam that completely changed the game.
And I'm guessing neither was Pedro Martinez
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worse is bringing i your top closer in the 9th and watching him give up a 3 run bomb, blowing the save and losing the game
of course, the coach isn't blamed. And blaming the kid isn't as brutal
Those Okie St Cowboys have the bats!
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Illinois State with 2 in the top of the 9th to stay alive against Louisville
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Illinois State with 2 in the top of the 9th to stay alive against Louisville
And lost in the bottom of the 9th anyway
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Stayin' Alive...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8Ab5oAV4AAPl7Z.jpg)
I became a fan of OSU baseball as they were beating the Terps in the game that was suspended Thursday night of the B1G tournament. They are a good bunch of hard-nosed players. I wish they'd gotten out of Nashville, but Vanderbilt is a tough obstacle for anybody...
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WVU is hosting a post season baseball game for the first time since 1955. Fans are pretty pumped. Gonna be a tough ticket to get. But, yeah, the Mountaineers are pretty good this year. The Big 12 money allowed the school to build a much needed new stadium a few years ago and it has helped in recruiting and fielding better teams.
In 2016 WVU made a regional for the first time since 1997 and now are back hosting one. They also made the Big 12 championship game for the third time this past Saturday. There isn’t a lot of great baseball being played in the northeast. WVU is trying to establish itself as THE program in that part of the country.
Their stadium on the other side of the Mon is beautiful!
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Looking ahead to the Supers...
1 LSU
3 FSU
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1 Arkansas
1 Ole Miss
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1 Texas Tech
1 Okla St OR 2 UConn
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1 UCLA OR 3 LMU
2 Creighton OR 3 Michigan
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1 Vanderbilt
3 Duke
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1 Louisville
1 East Carolina OR 3 Campbell
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1 Miss State
1 Stanford OR 3 Fresno St
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1 North Carolina
2 Auburn
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Well, at least we got one through.
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Michigan's collapse last night was a shitshow but give them credit for forgetting about it and playing well tonight even without a regular starting pitcher.... They beat UCLA in the regular season, though it would be even better if LMU pulled off another upset and Michigan ends up playing at home.
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I was picking up some BBQ and the Michigan-Creighton game was on. That 8th inning was roughhhhh to watch. When a team is already up 6 runs and then scores another 6, with the other team looking hapless....that's what the mercy rule is for.
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Michigan-UCLA set for Friday and Saturday at 9 on espn2; Sunday the same, if necessary
Crazy how easy it is to watch this many games. I remember a decade ago, when Michigan advanced out of the regionals by beating the overall #1 Vanderbilt (who had David Price, Mike Minor and Pedro Alvarez), it was a last minute pickup by the local community access channel of the Vanderbilt feed. Now you can watch every game somewhere, and at this point you don't even need ESPN+.
I don't believe any of Michigan's Super Regional loss to Oregon State was televised in Ann Arbor. UM screwed themselves out of getting to host that series, by starting renovation on their home stadium. In fairness to them, to host, they not only had to win a regional with the overall #1 seed, but they needed neither #1 Virginia or #2 Rutgers to win the Charlottesville regional. All of that happened, with #3 Oregon State winning, then getting to host a Super Regional, then winning the whole damn thing.
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Tigers took UCLA's SS with their 4th round pick, so that gives me another reason to watch.
Detroit in love with college infielders this draft, gone that direction in three of their first four picks, taking 3B from Arizona and Tennessee in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
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Great win for Michigan last night, especially considering the UCLA pitcher hadn't lost in over a year. Considering the struggles of the pitchers other than the 3 starters, they used a second starter to close it, but he should still be able to start on Sunday if it comes to that.
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Last weekend #50 FSU defeated #3 Georgia two straight in Athens, GA to make it to the Super Regional.
Today, 6/8/2019, #50 FSU downed #16 LSU in FSU's opening Super Regional game.
This is Coach Mike Martin's 40th and final year as FSU head coach. FSU was on the bubble of not making the tournament this year. They have 20 freshman on the roster. Appears Mike Martin is developing talent to the very end of his career. This has been quite a late-season turn around.
Martin's teams made it into 40-straight NCAA tournaments. Mike Martin has had 16 FSU teams in the CWS. I think that is more than any other head coach, yet Martin's team has never won the CWS.
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Louisville is the first team to punch its ticket to Omaha.
Vanderbilt is in.
Texas Tech advances.
FSU in in.
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Last night was a shitshow with 5 terrible errors, with one being a typical flyout that was dropped, but the team redeemed itself tonight.
Go Blue! If they can beat UCLA 3/4 times we'll see what happens in Omaha.....
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Last weekend #50 FSU defeated #3 Georgia two straight in Athens, GA to make it to the Super Regional.
Today, 6/8/2019, #50 FSU downed #16 LSU in FSU's opening Super Regional game.
This is Coach Mike Martin's 40th and final year as FSU head coach. FSU was on the bubble of not making the tournament this year. They have 20 freshman on the roster. Appears Mike Martin is developing talent to the very end of his career. This has been quite a late-season turn around.
Martin's teams made it into 40-straight NCAA tournaments. Mike Martin has had 16 FSU teams in the CWS. I think that is more than any other head coach, yet Martin's team has never won the CWS.
This is something they mentioned during the Michigan-UCLA game. Incredible. The broadcasters added that in 40 seasons, he's *never* won fewer than 40 wins per season. How is that even possible?
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Michigan making the CWS and especially by defeating the #1 team is impressive. Indiana was the last Big Ten team to make the CWS, circa 2013. Michigan hasn't been in the CWS since 1984. The Big Ten, and especially Michigan, are taking a step toward baseball relevancy.
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This would unquestionably go down as Michigan baseball's greatest ever season if they hadn't so spectacularly imploded in pursuit of the Big Ten regular season and tournament crowns (especially the reg season).
Even still, the regionals/super regionals were a blast and there's more to come. 1,000-ft view: Bakich has recruited like gangbusters. This won't be a one-off occurence.
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This would unquestionably go down as Michigan baseball's greatest ever season if they hadn't so spectacularly imploded in pursuit of the Big Ten regular season and tournament crowns (especially the reg season).
Even still, the regionals/super regionals were a blast and there's more to come. 1,000-ft view: Bakich has recruited like gangbusters. This won't be a one-off occurence.
I wouldn't go that far. They have 2 national championships, afterall (yes, I realize that was a different era when the tournament was geographically split, so beating present-day MAC / Horizon / MVC / Summit League teams to get to the CWS wasn't nearly as challenging, but even so....).
To be sure, Michigan should be nationally relevant in baseball, since the softball program has already proven it's possible to be nationally relevant in a similarly Southern/Western-dominated sport, and the baseball program is the best in the BigTen historically.
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Awesome for Michigan, very cool. Best of luck to the final 8 in the CWS.
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To be sure, Michigan should be nationally relevant in baseball, since the softball program has already proven it's possible to be nationally relevant in a similarly Southern/Western-dominated sport, and the baseball program is the best in the BigTen historically.
I am not an expert fan of college baseball, but I was of the belief Minnesota was historically the best baseball team in the Big Ten. Alumni include Paul Molitor and Dave Winfield. Minnesota has 3 CWS championships.
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From Omaha:
Bracket 1
Texas Tech vs Michigan
Arkansas vs FSU
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Bracket 2
Vanderbilt vs Louisville
Miss State vs Auburn
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Each bracket is another double-elimination mini-tournament.
1 seeds: Texas Tech, Arkansas, Vanderbilt, Louisville, Miss State
2 seed: Auburn
3 seeds: FSU, Michigan
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Revenge Tour 2.0?
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I wouldn't go that far. They have 2 national championships, afterall (yes, I realize that was a different era when the tournament was geographically split, so beating present-day MAC / Horizon / MVC / Summit League teams to get to the CWS wasn't nearly as challenging, but even so....).
To be sure, Michigan should be nationally relevant in baseball, since the softball program has already proven it's possible to be nationally relevant in a similarly Southern/Western-dominated sport, and the baseball program is the best in the BigTen historically.
I appreciate the history lesson. Was somehow ignorant of those NCs.
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I would say the 1983 team that had a HOF in Barry Larkin, a three time AS in Chris Sabo, a pair of guys with long MLB careers in Scott Kamieniecki and Hal Morris, and a fifth guy who had a cup of coffee in the bigs in Gary Wayne.
They went 50-9 (.847), which was better than either national title team, they were just upset by Alabama, and ultimately eliminated by an absolute juggernaut of a Texas team that had 9 future major leaguers on it, including Roger Clemens. Texas has the best winning percentage in the history of college baseball, and 1983's 66 win team was their winningest.
I think that was Michigan's best team, Texas was just really, really damn good that year.
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Was Jim Abbott on that Michigan team? I feel like the timing is close. His is such a good sports story - one of my favorites.
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Was Jim Abbott on that Michigan team? His is such a good sports story.
No he was a couple years later
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Thanks, ELA
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Sounds like Tommy Henry, the M pitcher perhaps most responsible for upending UCLA, did so while battling pneumonia. We all thought it was influenza. Hard to say which is worse but either way this somehow makes it more heroic how he got the third out in his final inning -- racing to cover first with bases loaded. And boy was he gassed! Makes sense.
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I'm starting to learn how amazing the human body is at 22 years old.
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I can't confirm beyond what the Detroit Free Press said, but their article today claimed that Tommy Henry had diagnosed influenza, was hospitalized and then he whallopped UCLA only to be also disagnosed with pneumonia. That argues that he didn't just win with one condition but with both. Gutsy.
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CWS is one of my favorite sporting events to attend. Great vibe, fun to hang out with different fans around town.
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For sure, I've only been to a couple, busy time of the year for me with work and other things
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Michigan beats TT, 5-3.
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Great win for Michigan. It's nice to see that they aren't taking any risks with pitching anyone but the 3 regular starters.
Florida State is next....
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Another sport the SEC is figuring out how to dominate. Rooting for the Wolverines in this match Vs FSU.
edit: Fantastic pitching outing by Tommy Henry. 9 inning shutout.
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This is surreal. Michigan's pitcher just dominated tonight, and was about twice as efficient as Florida State's starter who had over 100 pitches in less than 5 innings, which was roughly Michigan's total for the game.... They'll face Texas Tech or Florida State again on Friday to potentially clinch a trip to the championship series (they'd play again Saturday if they lose).
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Very cool, Go Blue!
It's always so much nicer to play from the winner's bracket.
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Another sport the SEC is figuring out how to dominate.
Step 1: have short winters so you host all early season games
Step 2: flood the postseason with like 10 teams
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I guess that puts Michigan in the "Final Four." It's nice to get the extra rest. Only needing one out of two games to reach the Final is pretty nice too.
Which remaining teams (in the other half of the CWS) are making the most noise or are the best remaining? Vanderbilt and MSSt?
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So a Texas Tech - Michigan rematch in Bracket1 tomorrow night, should be fun.
The luxury of hanging out in the winner's bracket should have kept Michigan's arms fresh, while Tech has been burning arms to get through the loser's bracket. This is always the peril of losing early-- or at all. But teams have won it all out of the loser's bracket, it's certainly not impossible.
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Michigan has a great (and fresh!) pitching staff, with three high level starters. But big bats are coming in the form of TT and, hopefully, Vandy/MSSt.
Thinking about Michigan's fresh pitchers and the final: whereas taking one from TT is essential, winning on Friday would be a massive advantage, as two of the top three pitchers would have 7+ days of rest before their game v. the winner of the other bracket-half.
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Things I never thought would be an issue: whether UMs CWS would interfere with my sister and her fellow UM alum fiance's wedding plans this weekend.
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Ha!
July is really the only month that is safe from college sports. My anniversary? July 14th.
(Yes CD, that is also Bastille Day. How do you think I remember it so well??? ;) )
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Wow, Michigan is now laying the wood to Texas Tech. Congrats to the Wolverines, I have no problem at all watching you pasty-white yankees kick arse at our "southern" sport. Well played. ;)
GO BLUE!
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This is unreal. When's the last time such a low/un-ranked/seeded team made it to the Championship series??
Michigan underachieved somewhat in the regular season as I understand it, but the only great win they had in the whole regular season was the regular season game against UCLA, and they had a couple losses to bad teams, too, not to mention Texas Tech dominated them in 3 games.
We'll see what happens next week....
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Wow, Michigan is now laying the wood to Texas Tech. Congrats to the Wolverines, I have no problem at all watching you pasty-white yankees kick arse at our "southern" sport. Well played. ;)
GO BLUE!
I know a guy who was up there at the CWS earlier this week. He reported that Michigan had the most tanned players of any team.
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Louisville choked so Vanderbilt clinched their bid to the Championship Series, as well, tonight.
The announcers alluded to the Bo v Woody comparisons since Bakich was an assistant to Corbin, and while I certainly wouldn't expect a 1969 type upset, it would be strikingly similar in a way....
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I know a guy who was up there at the CWS earlier this week. He reported that Michigan had the most tanned players of any team.
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Excellent tanning beds in Ann Arbor???
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Dudes who fake bake have to swipe their man cards at the door and don't get them back.
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Wow, each of the first 5 pitchers Texas Tech used gave up multiple runs. That's nasty.
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Maybe you all just aren't used to seeing the ethnic diversity of in baseball like Michigan has..... I'm half-joking of course, but while Bakich's FSU in-game interview was probably a bit overblown, I looked at some of the other rosters of CWS teams, and most them had fewer minorities.
Supposedly Michigan also benefits from the fact that it has a strong need-based aid program for in-state students that apparently doesn't count against the scholarship limit, and apparently Nwogu's academic scholarship doesn't, either, though I could be wrong. Given Michigan's tuition costs, especially for out-of-state students, it's impressive that Michigan has been able to get the players that it has given the scholarship constraints in college baseball.
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https://twitter.com/jrlind/status/1142517696103407617?s=19
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Excellent tanning beds in Ann Arbor???
Don't Michiganders get as tan outside in late spring/all summer/early fall as any Americans? Especially in summer. 80s/90s/100s and blue. It's also less oppressive than summer in the south, so folks stay outdoors.
It's easy to recall how, as a teen, by June, my complexion looked like a freshly Valspar-stained wood deck. Dark like brown eyes. Just from swimming, biking and roller hockey.
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https://twitter.com/jrlind/status/1142517696103407617?s=19
Ha!
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Michigan takes game one, 7-4. At times, Henry was a magician. As he's been all tourney.
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Michigan takes game one, 7-4. At times, Henry was a magician. As he's been all tourney.
I wonder how much money he lost by the draft not being after the postseason
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Henry and Kaufman both went in the second round. It'd be hard for me to say that either deserved much better money without being sure there were 20+ reaches who went ahead of him. Maybe you feel the same. Either way, Tommy keeps exceeding my expectations.
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Great game!!! We'll see what happens tomorrow....
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Henry and Kaufman both went in the second round. It'd be hard for me to say that either deserved much better money without being sure there were 20+ reaches who went ahead of him. Maybe you feel the same. Either way, Tommy keeps exceeding my expectations.
Yeah, but wasn't he in the 70s? In what was called a historically weak pitchers draft? I have to think he'd shoot way up. Granted, unless you shoot up to the very top, you simply aren't going to make much money off your draft slot, so maybe it doesn't really matter.
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This series has shined a light on a bit of a comical divide within Buckeye Nation.
Those of us over 35 are rooting against the Wolverines, while all of the youngsters are rooting against the SEC.
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It sounds like Isaiah Page will get the start tonight. I'm an amateur, and a bandwagoning one at that, but he is not one of the team's three best pitchers. I figured the start woul'd go to Criswell, given his effectiveness in closing last night on so few pitches (10?). I'm sure Criswell will be available to close. I guess I was expecting Kaufman to be ready to go again, but perhaps that was hopeful. I'm sure Bakich has better information and perspective, so this is just a controversial call to see play out.
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Michigan has had clutch postseason pitching, but 2-out RBIs have been arguably equal keys to their run to this point. Also: they've been great at forcing high pitch counts from opponents with many at-bats needing 8-10 (or 10+) pitches to finish. Here's betting they'll need more of those last two factors tonight.
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Tommy Henry goes undercover:
https://mobile.twitter.com/umichbaseball/status/1143584984046940160
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Michigan basically conceded tonight's game by playing a bunch of pitchers they don't normally play since Vanderbilt started arguably their top pitcher and so they could rest their other two top pitchers an extra day. We'll see if the strategy pays off tomorrow....
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We'll see.
I believe you should always play the pitchers/lineup you think gives you the best chance of winning TODAY. I'll certainly agree that if your top pitchers need rest and might be put in harm's way by playing them, then you should absolutely rest them and avoid risk to their bodies. I don't know enough about Michigan's pitching rotation to comment on whether or not that's what happened.
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luxury of winning game #1 is that you don't need to win #2 vs their ace
rest up and go for #3
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Risky gamble. Like I said, I believe you should ALWAYS play your best lineup to win TODAY.
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Risky gamble is trying to beat their ace - long odds
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The Raptors once employed a similar strategy with the Cavs in the Playoffs. If they got down big early, they'd just throw in the towel and save their energy for the next game.
They pushed it to a game seven with that strategy, but ultimately lost the series.
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We'll see.
I believe you should always play the pitchers/lineup you think gives you the best chance of winning TODAY. I'll certainly agree that if your top pitchers need rest and might be put in harm's way by playing them, then you should absolutely rest them and avoid risk to their bodies. I don't know enough about Michigan's pitching rotation to comment on whether or not that's what happened.
Michigan has 3 starters worthy of this stage but zero in the bullpen. And the only one who could have started today also closed last night. Tomorrow, we think we can play two of them.
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Risky gamble is trying to beat their ace - long odds
They lost 4-1 tonight and left several on base. It's not like he shut them down. Throwing better pitchers and allowing fewer than 4 runs would have gone a long way toward ending it in 2.
Always, always try to win the game you're playing today. Never "concede" a game right off the bat.
But WTF do I know about college baseball and the CWS? ~???
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It is one of those things that will look brilliant if it works, but bone headed if it doesn't.
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Ya, I don't get Michigan pitching the bull pen last night in place of one of their aces Criswell or Kauffmann, What are the chances Michigan sees Rocker tonight as a reliever? He only pitched 6 innings last night. And the weather in Omaha tonight looks stormy. The game could be postponed then, Rocker.
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After more reflection, I don't think this was any kind of ballsy choice by Bakich. It was his only choice.
Kaufman couldn't safely go. Henry's season is now done. And Criswell had closed game 1, so he wasn't realistically going to be able to pull off 9 innings and there was a good chance the bullpen would blow it against Vandy's bats.
And as we've said the bullpen after those three starters is very mediocre. Wasting Criswell's last half game when you know beforehand that he can't finish 9 innings would have been throwing away BOTH games 2 and 3 to a subpar bullpen.
Now, we can pitch both Kaufman and Criswell for a half game. Holding off to let that happen was the only way to guarantee 9 innings of championship-caliber pitching for one of the two remaining games.
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As for Kumar Rocker: dude had a 131 pitch count. Even if the game is postponed for weather, there's no reasonable way his season isn't still done.
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The problem wasn't the pitching last night. Michigan still held Vanderbilt below their offensive average. Michigan's offense only scored 1 run. Granted hindsight is always 20/20, but if Michigan had lost like 10-7, then I think he'd be under fire. As it is, I think it was the right call, again, in hindsight.
This is substantially different than the Raptors example of pulling guys once a game is out of reach. That would have been like if Michigan was down 7-0 in the 7th, and not wasting their best bullpen arms on a game that was already lost.
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Michigan should feel lucky that Rocker didn't play in the first game opposite Tommy Henry. Would have been an tragic waste of a winning effort.
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They lost 4-1 tonight and left several on base. It's not like he shut them down. Throwing better pitchers and allowing fewer than 4 runs would have gone a long way toward ending it in 2.
Always, always try to win the game you're playing today. Never "concede" a game right off the bat.
But WTF do I know about college baseball and the CWS? ~???
Well, one run is being shut down.
Michigan doesn't have the arms in the staff that Augie usually stockpiled.
Michigan also wasn't conceding the game. Just working with what they had available w/o also jeopardizing arms for game 3.
You know plenty about baseball and NCAA baseball
It's just that I'm right this time ;)
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Well, one run is being shut down.
Michigan doesn't have the arms in the staff that Augie usually stockpiled.
Michigan also wasn't conceding the game. Just working with what they had available w/o also jeopardizing arms for game 3.
You know plenty about baseball and NCAA baseball
It's just that I'm right this time ;)
If you've got a really good 1-2-3, and you play only 3 games in 8 days like Michigan did before last night, then you really should have been able to set up your rotation-- that's the key advantage to staying in the winner's bracket through the first 4-team tourney in Omaha.
Augie seldom had more than 2 legitimate starters, to be honest. Maybe the difference is the closers, Augie usually had one good one.
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Yeah, so...
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Anyway, what a great run by Michigan, that was fun to watch. I sure thought they were a team of destiny, but Vandy is really, really good.
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indeed. Vandy is really good.
I still can't get used to the best of 3 finale, I'm not saying the old way was better, it was harder to package for TV, etc.
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Does Ohio State have a baseball team?
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indeed. Vandy is really good.
I still can't get used to the best of 3 finale, I'm not saying the old way was better, it was harder to package for TV, etc.
I liked the old way better, when it was a true double elimination tournament all the way through, but I've become accustomed to this.
There's a pleasant symmetry in the 64-team field now. You play a 4-team double elimination tournament in the regional, then a best of three game series in the supers, then another 4-team double elimination tournament in your half of the CWS bracket, and then a final best of three game series for the championship. I'm cool with that.
The old complete double elimination tournament was great though. But there were a few years in the late 80s/early 90s-- when they were first trying to package it fr TV-- that they had a completely awful double-elimination tournament until the final game. So you could come out of the loser's bracket but then, if you made it to the final game, you didn't have to beat the winner's bracket team TWICE, as you should in a true double elimination tournament. This happened to Texas in 1989, we won all of our games, Wichita State lost one and played up through the loser's bracket, but then wasn't forced to beat Texas TWICE to win the championship. It was complete horseshit. And it wasn't because they came from a different pool or a different side like they do now, it was a true double elimination tournament for every team-- except the team in the winner's bracket.
I also REALLY liked the old 6-team regionals when the field was 48-- those were an unbelievable almost week-long party when your town hosted one (and Texas was fortunate enough to host quite a few back in the day).
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If I didn't say this before, this was a completely unexpected run. Apparently Fresno State won it all as a 4-seed so this isn't totally unprecedented, but even so. The best team in the country won it all, which is how it should go.
The upside is that I was able to pay attention to the democrat debate.... The downside is how that went, but that's for a different topic.
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indeed. Vandy is really good.
I still can't get used to the best of 3 finale, I'm not saying the old way was better, it was harder to package for TV, etc.
I'm not sure it mattered this year, since Michigan and Vandy got to that stage undefeated. Even in the old system, that would have forced what was basically a best of three series, right? I guess the years where the change makes the biggest difference are those where one team gets to the final undefeated, but the other gets there with one loss in their bracket and still gets the reset.
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Listening to FanGraph's podcast throughout the year, Vandy has marketed itself to pitchers as the school that will handle you like a prospect, as opposed to several colleges which were running pitchers into the ground to get wins. The thought is now most schools have come around to that line of thinking, you almost have to in recruiting, but Vandy sort of pioneered that. Naming some schools who were behind the curve on that, and it's sort of cost them their status, because pitchers don't want to go there were Stanford, Virginia, and all the Texas schools, but most egregiously, Rice.
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I'm not sure it mattered this year, since Michigan and Vandy got to that stage undefeated. Even in the old system, that would have forced what was basically a best of three series, right? I guess the years where the change makes the biggest difference are those where one team gets to the final undefeated, but the other gets there with one loss in their bracket and still gets the reset.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean here, but the answer to the part I've highlighted in red is, "No."
In the system prior to this, there was a single winner-take-all game, consisting of the winner of each of the two brackets or "pools" in the CWS. You could get to that final "championship" game with either zero or 1 losses, but it was always still a single game and not a best of three series.
There have been a few different iterations, but pre-1988 it used to be a true double elimination tournament, with no separate sides. So the "final" game always paired a 1-loss team with a 0-loss team. If the 0-loss team won, it was over. If the 1-loss team won, then it forced another game.
Then from 1988-2002, they split the sides into two 4-team double-elimination tournaments, but had an idiotic single-game championship. I think this is the time period you're referring to in the part I highlighted in red? This setup was totally bogus, because a team could lose one on their side, while the team on the other side went undefeated, and yet they were paired in a winner-take-all game. As you said, the team with 1 loss is granted a "reset" and if they win, then their previously undefeated opponent effectively becomes the only team in a double-elimination tournament, that can be eliminated with a single loss. Absolute crap, and this is what happened to Texas in 1989.
In 2003 they finally fixed it by making it a best of 3 series between the 2 pool winners, which was way way way better. I'm assuming this change from a single game to a best of 3 is what MarqHusker was referring to, and if so, all I can say is THANK GOD it happened. The previous setup was horribad.
I was reminiscing about the setup prior to that, which was a true 8-team double-elimination tournament, which was not very TV friendly, to say the least.
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Thanks for your pro hac vice representation utee, but I'm aligned with you on the preferred dbl elimination format. The interim format stunk. I neglected to accurately describe the old format that I preferred.
Again, 3 gamer isn't bad, I just prefer the true Dbl elimination. I also don't like wild card format in MLB.
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Gotcha Marq, we're all good.
As you might have deduced, I'm pretty bitter about that interim format...
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Ah, I misunderstood the discussion and didn't check on the history. My post assumed the old system was one double elimination bracket, rather than the current one which is two brackets followed by a best of three. Obviously this year I'd have loved a single game. But I have a longtime preference for low variance Championships, and a best of three is lower in variance than a best of one.
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So, Who's on first?
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Yep.
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Ah, I misunderstood the discussion and didn't check on the history. My post assumed the old system was one double elimination bracket, rather than the current one which is two brackets followed by a best of three. Obviously this year I'd have loved a single game. But I have a longtime preference for low variance Championships, and a best of three is lower in variance than a best of one.
Agreed. Not sure why MLB hasn't done that with the Wildcard game yet. I have gotten on board with the idea of rewarding winning your division, with as unbalanced as the MLB schedule is now, but the current format seems to overly reward having one stud ace.
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MLB=rat's ass. Isn't there already a separate thread for that sad, shitastic sport? :)