| 19 | (https://c-2rtwjumjzx789x24x78utwyx78kqdx2ehgx78nx78yfynhx2ehtr.g00.cbssports.com/g00/3_c-2bbb.hgx78x78utwyx78.htr_/c-2RTWJUMJZX9x24myyux78x3ax2fx2fx78utwyx78kqd.hgx78nx78yfynh.htrx2fkqd-644x2fgzsiqjx78x2fx78utwyx78rjinfhx78x78x2fnrfljx78x2fyjfr-qtltx78x2fshffx2fNTBFXY.x78alx3fn65h.rfwpx3dnrflj_$/$/$/$/$/$/$/$) (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/teams/IOWAST/iowa-state-cyclones/) IOWA ST. (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/teams/IOWAST/iowa-state-cyclones/) |
| Matt Campbell: Here's somebody who is rising quickly, and I understand why, even if I think this is a little too high too quickly. I had Campbell at No. 22 on my ballot, as I admire what he's done at Iowa State in such a short amount of time. I just wouldn't put him ahead of guys like Ferentz, Cutcliffe, and others who have accomplished more for longer periods of time. Still, if I were hiring a coach to run my program right now, I'd lean Campbell over them, and I don't blame my colleagues if that's what they were basing their rankings on. 2018 rank: 30 (+11) |
| 17 | (https://c-2rtwjumjzx789x24x78utwyx78kqdx2ehgx78nx78yfynhx2ehtr.g00.cbssports.com/g00/3_c-2bbb.hgx78x78utwyx78.htr_/c-2RTWJUMJZX9x24myyux78x3ax2fx2fx78utwyx78kqd.hgx78nx78yfynh.htrx2fkqd-644x2fgzsiqjx78x2fx78utwyx78rjinfhx78x78x2fnrfljx78x2fyjfr-qtltx78x2fshffx2fYJCFX.x78alx3fn65h.rfwpx3dnrflj_$/$/$/$/$/$/$/$) (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/teams/TEXAS/texas-longhorns/) TEXAS (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/teams/TEXAS/texas-longhorns/) |
| Tom Herman: I get the feeling that Herman's going to be a lot like Malzahn in these rankings. If Texas has a good season, he's going to climb more spots than most. If Texas has a down year, he's going to drop more spots than most. I'd also like to predict that if Texas wins 10 games or more again in 2019, he'll be damn near cracking the top 10 of these rankings next spring. If he wins the Big 12 and beats Oklahoma, I guarantee it'll happen. 2018 rank: 28 (+11) | |
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| Mike Gundy: When will my colleagues admire Gundy as much as I do? I had him at No. 5 on my ballot, and admittedly, that is probably a little bullish, particularly after a 7-6 season. Still, Gundy has gone 121-59 in 14 seasons with the Cowboys and 85-32 over the last nine years. The only thing missing is the conference titles, which I assume is a major reason my colleagues aren't as high on him as I am. Still, if I were running a program, there aren't many coaches in the country right now I'd hire over Gundy. 2018 rank: 11 (-1) | |
| 8 | (https://c-2rtwjumjzx789x24x78utwyx78kqdx2ehgx78nx78yfynhx2ehtr.g00.cbssports.com/g00/3_c-2bbb.hgx78x78utwyx78.htr_/c-2RTWJUMJZX9x24myyux78x3ax2fx2fx78utwyx78kqd.hgx78nx78yfynh.htrx2fkqd-644x2fgzsiqjx78x2fx78utwyx78rjinfhx78x78x2fnrfljx78x2fyjfr-qtltx78x2fshffx2fYHZ.x78alx3fn65h.rfwpx3dnrflj_$/$/$/$/$/$/$/$) (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/teams/TCU/tcu-horned-frogs/) TCU (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/teams/TCU/tcu-horned-frogs/) |
| Gary Patterson: With TCU going 7-6 last season, you knew Patterson's ranking would take a hit, but so much seemed to go wrong for the Horned Frogs last season that still managing to go 7-6 felt like an achievement. Of course, we've seen a few instances already where Patterson's TCU teams have something of a reset season and then immediately follow it up with 11 or 12 wins. Will it happen again in 2019? 2018 rank: 6 (-2) | |
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| Lincoln Riley: This is another instance where I love the coach, but I can't rank him this highly myself. Not yet. I have Riley at No. 8 on my ballot, and I feel like that's very high considering he's only been at Oklahoma for two seasons. Plus, it's not like he inherited a program that was in shambles. That said, the Sooners have gone 24-4, won two Big 12 titles, reached the CFP twice, and have two different Heisman Trophy winners in Riley's two seasons ... so it's hard to argue against having him this high. 2018 rank: 15 (+11) |
Mike Gundy: When will my colleagues admire Gundy as much as I do? I had him at No. 5 on my ballot, and admittedly, that is probably a little bullish, particularly after a 7-6 season. Still, Gundy has gone 121-59 in 14 seasons with the Cowboys and 85-32 over the last nine years. The only thing missing is the conference titles, which I assume is a major reason my colleagues aren't as high on him as I am. Still, if I were running a program, there aren't many coaches in the country right now I'd hire over Gundy. 2018 rank: 11 (-1)That guy doesn't know what a mullet-head doofus Mike Gundy is.
Well, he probably is a doofus, but I'm pretty sure he said that for the sole purpose of getting a rise out of Sooner fans such as yourself. ;)He definitely is a doofus, but I am sure you are right about his motivation for that comment.
Anyway, overall that looks like a pretty appropriate ranking of B12 coaches.
Mack's recruiting for his final 5 years or so was lazy at best, and downright awful some years. Very few "hits" and way more "misses" which just shows you how stupid the recruiting rankings are.Macks last 5 years recruiting rankings were 6/2/4/2/17 respectively
Macks last 5 years recruiting rankings were 6/2/4/2/17 respectively42-22 looks like crap to me, but it's not even the correct W/L record for Mack's final 5 seasons' worth of recruiting. Mack's terrible recruiting was also a large part of the 2014, 2015, and 2016 teams that went 6-7, 5-7, and 5-7. Counting those years, the record of teams with Mack's final 5 seasons of recruits on them was 9-4, 8-5, 6-7, 5-7, 5-7 for a total of 33-30.
win/loss record during that time was 42 and 22
It looks good to me
Now as far as development of personnel is concerned that may be another story
Mack sure let a bunch of great Texas HS QBs escape to other schools. And QB play was seldom a strength for UT after 2009, when Colt McCoy's eligibility expired.well at least we always had a good defense
Mack sure let a bunch of great Texas HS QBs escape to other schools. And QB play was seldom a strength for UT after 2009, when Colt McCoy's eligibility expired.It's tough to blame him for Garrett Gilbert being a total bust, that kid was highly recruited by pretty much every college in the country, and if nothing else Greg Davis had a history with developing QBs pretty well so I don't believe that was the issue.
well at least we always had a good defenseThat's definitely what puzzled me most about Charlie Strong's tenure at Texas. I thought at the very least, he was capable of fielding a competent defense. But... nope.
That's definitely what puzzled me most about Charlie Strong's tenure at Texas. I thought at the very least, he was capable of fielding a competent defense. But... nope.yep
Well if Im gonna get whipped it might as well be with money or maybe one other thingI mean, I'm pretty sure right now Orlando is good with his job. I know he's a loyal guy, and wants to see Herman get the program on solid footing. I'm not expecting him to run out the door immediately.
Its a little unfair to hang Strongs results on MB
I believe it all flows together.Yup and I don't think that's just a fanboys slant.Texas was moving the chains systematically as I always thought he was one of the best collegiate game managers.Fundamentals,technique,mechanics,Xs & Os as damn near mistake free as one can get.Intelligent and a hard worker.Shame he didn't have Ryan Leafs/Brandon Weedens/Jamarcus Russells physical attributes - they damn sure weren't using them.
We worked a ton of miracles with Colt McCoy. He was a dynamic QB, and unfortunately a risky single point of failure. We rode him through the season his senior year, and darned near made it. An innocent hit on a routine option play changed college football as we know it. Without that hit that took Colt out of the game, Texas obliterates Alabama. Texas doesn't change anything, and Alabama goes on to be just a pretty good college football team.
42-22 looks like crap to me, but it's not even the correct W/L record for Mack's final 5 seasons' worth of recruiting. Mack's terrible recruiting was also a large part of the 2014, 2015, and 2016 teams that went 6-7, 5-7, and 5-7. Counting those years, the record of teams with Mack's final 5 seasons of recruits on them was 9-4, 8-5, 6-7, 5-7, 5-7 for a total of 33-30.The argument that recruiting rankings are complete crap would be incorrect. They are not a perfect indicator (nothing is), but they’re a very good one.
So in reality you've made my point for me. The recruiting rankings are complete crap. Even 42-22 is a pretty terrible record for that level of recruiting ranking, but that's exactly my point-- those rankings are useless, because the moment a kid gets an offer from Texas, he jumps up a star.
The development wasn't nearly as bad as the evaluation. Mack's lazy ass stopped actually bothering to recruit the best players, and he got into this mode of only bothering with players that were going to come to Texas anyway. The results on the field were obvious and devastatingly bad.
Mack gave up for the second half of his career, which is precisely why he was fired, and for good reason. But one thing's for sure, I'm darn glad he brought Vince Young to the Horns, and that alone is worth having had him as our coach.
In a general sense they are one data point that might not be terrible. But in this specific case, you are incorrect.I think this is interesting because it asked a central question: Is the concern that there is actually a rot at the top of the ranking, i.e. they stop working well when certain top programs continue to skate? Or is it a moment where someone is going to be an outlier, and the fans of the teams that are feel a certain level of exceptionalism (i.e., this is happening to the team is see closest, that must mean the system is wrong, rather than my team being a quirk in it)
Texas or Alabama offers a 3-star and the recruiting services raise him to a 4-star. This type of thing occurs regularly. That's where recruiting rankings for a team like Texas under Mack Brown become inflated and stop reflecting reality.
Mack Brown was a great receuiter for his first decade or so at Texas. After that he got very lazy, but the recruiting rankings didn't suffer much because the recruiting services were part of the machine.