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The Power Five => SEC => Topic started by: MikeDeTiger on October 02, 2017, 10:47:40 PM
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Sigh....might as well have a thread about it.
I guess.
There was a time when this was must-watch TV, a CBS pick-up for sure. This game deserves to be on the SECN-alternate, and that's sad.
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Our replacement #1 WR for our suspended #1 WR will be out - high ankle sprain. (Tyrie Cleveland - had the 99-yard TD vs LSU last year and the 63-yard game-winning TD vs Tennessee this year)
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The Gators appear to have the injury big coupled with the other thing.
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So, two mediocre teams to start off with, both with injuries/suspensions. Yeah, this is gonna be super fun to watch. Sarcasm font.
DACOACHO hopes to have DLs Lawrence and Alexander back from injury this week, though I doubt either is in game shape. At least they'll provide some rotation hopefully so the others aren't so gassed. Frosh DE Glen Logan played every defensive snap last week. DE Frank Herron won't be back until the Auburn game, if then.
RB Guice is questionable and at this time I wouldn't expect him to play much if he's cleared. Not going to be 100% for sure. RT Weathersby also did not play last week and is questionable this week. QB Etling was hurt in the Troy game, though he did return and is expected to play.
Seems like UF has been on their 2nd or 3rd string QB for our game nearly every year since 2011. It's the oddest thing. Something always happens to their starter. Either gets injured, suspended, takes a nap and is late, or something.
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Neither of these teams is any good, but there is still NFL talent all over the field, and that makes for tough sledding when trying to guess what the game might look like.
I see a huge difference in mentality. When I watch Florida, they are a mediocre team but they are mentally tough, they expect good things to happen to them if they keep fighting and they expect to win, and they do. It shows up in the W/L column. When I watch LSU, they are also a mediocre team but they are mentally weak, they fold when the first bad thing happens to them. They can't recover. TD called back on a BS penalty on the first drive at MSU.....fold. Fumble first snap vs. Troy.....fold. INT vs. Syracuse.....fold. Only reason they won is because the lead was too great for 'Cuse to overcome at that point. You can see it in their body language on the field and on the sidelines. Converse to Florida, they expect things to slip away from them, and it does.
Anything could happen, but I'd take Florida, for sure take them at home. LSU has the talent to keep it close in most phases* but something will go wrong at some point and LSU won't recover.
*but probably not on the OL. The most likely place for bad things to happen to snowball LSU into submission is the Tiger OL will almost certainly be dominated by the Gator DL.
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I'm hoping this game plays out like the 4th quarter did last year in Baton Rouge. Florida just runs the ball, cycling through RBs who run really hard and can only go for a few plays at a time.
Florida started the year thin at LB, but is now thin at DT, LB, and DBs. Fun stuff.
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Sucks that Callaway and Cleveland are both out.
This game is usually a good barometer for what LSU will be the rest of the season. This year it's more like a fork in the road. Win this game and LSU may still scratch out 7 or 8 wins. Could galvanize the team a bit and help them understand they can win. Lose, and it's gonna get really ugly.
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Geaux Tigers.
Duh.
I'll watch and learn. I watched the UK-UF game, the second half, and was figuring UK would find a way to lose.
That mental toughness thing is surprisingly important in football. Such a physical game I can see that losing a bit of emotional impetus drops your play by say 5% or so and you get blown out. The other guy is also good, and even if you are more talented he can make that up with enthusiasm and energy.
My distant memory playing basketball is that the better team won almost every time (HS level). In that sports teams can "get hot" for whatever reason and perhaps the positive mental attitude - confidence - can make the difference, versus being at the line and hoping you don't throw up a clunker.
Reminds me of Shaq.
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We could use Shaq on either of our lines right now.
Maybe on D-line, and if Tebow lobs a jump pass on us again, he can just swat it, goal-tending style.
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Talent wise thsee two teams are fairly even. Mentally they are a world apart. Florida by two touchdowns.
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Why couldn't I have the choice of suspended players OR a bunch of injuries? Why both??
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At least suspended players can be 2nd or 3rd stringers at times, while injured players are usually starters.
You can lose special teams players obviously, but the odds are you lose a starter to injury. I presume Florida could not withstand losing the second QB (who has been a starter).
Some years are just bad years, but then, winning the SEC East is perhaps a bit of a consolation prize with a rough ending anyway.
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Good lord.....this is the CBS game. This conference really, really sucks this year.
I wish we were in the old BCS system so that we could at least screw up Bama's sos so much it messes with their season.
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Cool.....the BS holding call leads to a TD the very next play. Thanks....
Also, I never want the 3:30 CBS slot....sooooo many commercials.
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Boy, these refs....
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Cool, with all the injuries, we have guys out there that I don't eve know.
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Gotta love losing a game on a missed XP.
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These teams suck, but it's a W and I'll take it. At least they avoided mental implosion when something went against them, which is a huge upgrade over the past 3 weeks.
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**I didn't mean the refs were the reason Florida was losing, just that they suck.
That game stunk all around. Maybe we were all given a gift that it wasn't tied and went to OT, might've been too much for us to stomach. I can't help but note that the game-winning TD was at the expense of a 3rd-string safety that was just put into the game.
Sigh.
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then LSU was smart for attacking the softest spot.
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Absolutely. Hell, all 3 guys out on routes were wide open.
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Florida's defense is still playing it seems to me.
A defense makes a team dangerous ...
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UF's starting D is one solid outfit.... it's their third and fourth quarter presentation's that has gaps just about any competent team can exploit.
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Yeah, only the DL has any depth at all. The LBs have none and the DBs did, but no longer do.
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Florida has been playing Russian roulette alot over the last 4 games. it was just a matter of time before the football gods started to even things out.
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I wonder if the Gators are actually bad enough that even we can beat them.
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These Gators are not the same defense I'm used to at all. They are particularly more vulnerable against the pass than in a long time. It really says something about LSU that they were scared s***less to throw the ball down the stretch, and not in a good way.
Starting a true freshman on the O-line is not something LSU has done in my lifetime before this year. We were playing 4 freshmen on the line at one point in that game, 3 for half of it, 2 for all of it.
Did I mention these teams suck?
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What do u make of LSU's continual motion stuff? It yielded a TD and you should do anything that works, but it's still a little video-gamey to me.
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It's tough to know right now. Any offense is going to be predicated on the O-line blocking somebody, and right now ours just can't.
BYU and Florida are the only times where I've watched and thought I could follow along with the thought process. The motions and shifts definitely affected BYU's linebackers and made them hesitant. Florida seemed to want to avoid that by being committed in the middle and count on (I guess) LSU's tackles to fail to set the edge vs. Florida's speedy guys. So what we got was LSU couldn't run in the A gaps, and the jet sweeps worked pretty well.
The main problem for us is Etling isn't that great at reading his keys on a couple of the offense's staples. Canada's playcalling remains a bit of a mystery because LSU has yet to accomplish the basics.
It gave Clemson hell last year, which was a good defense, and Penn State too, which was a decent defense. More talented than Pitt anyway. What I'm not sure about is after a year or two when everybody's seen it, will it still be viable? My guess is with the right mind behind it, sure. Pretty much any offense faces that problem as DC's adjust and re-scheme. A good OC will have to keep evolving to remain productive. I don't know that Canada has stayed anywhere long enough to find out.
It does come across as video gamey, but LSU will have to run it much better before I made any judgements. So far it looks a lot like most other sets....it might rack up yards and points against less talented or less disciplined teams....against a great defense the QB is going to have to be able to make a 3rd or 4th read and not panic.
If the QB merely lives through Auburn this week, I'll consider it a win.
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I guess LSU has to be accorded a shot hosting Auburn?
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Not if they play like they did vs Florida. LSU and Florida don't have talent issues, they have 'everything else' issues. So someone can technically say they have the talent to beat Georgia or Auburn or Bama, but in reality, it's false. The 'everything else' matters A LOT.
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It's kind of a shame these two teams suck so bad right now. A sense of somewhat of a budding actual rivalry--not some contrived BS--permeates the fans these days.
No secret these two schools have never cared much about being stuck together, they just went along with it because everyone else (read: Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, and Auburn) wanted them to.
Both parties have said and done enough to each other in the last few years that the fans have begun to consider it legitimate faux pas and are starting to take each other seriously.....actually looking forward to the game as more than a seasonal test. Starting to be more rivalry-related animosity and more satisfaction from a win than just "oh hey, we won that game. Neat."
Unfortunately it's not very good football. Imagine if the 2006 and 2007 teams could have actually had some fire to them when they clashed. Hell, immediately after winning the '06 NC, UF DE Derrick Harvey flat out complimented LSU. I don't remember why, but Urban was on the sidelines for LSU's '07 NC and one of our linemen was playfully patting Meyer's head and hugging him during the interviews. There's nothing "rivalry" about that.
It's not like Auburn or Ole Miss, but it's something. Sadly neither team is high quality anymore.
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Can you imagine 4 schools holding the rest of the conference hostage for something now? It'd get shot down in 2 seconds.
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Not if they play like they did vs Florida. LSU and Florida don't have talent issues, they have 'everything else' issues. So someone can technically say they have the talent to beat Georgia or Auburn or Bama, but in reality, it's false. The 'everything else' matters A LOT.
The "talent" aspect may be associated with one rather important position in football, not across the board, same with Tennessee.
Missouri has some talent at that position, but it availeth them not.
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It's not that.
LSU has 1) major depth problems on both lines, and 2) "everything else" problems.
We got away with a bunch of true freshman on O-line against Florida. We got away with a DE who played every single snap because there's not enough bodies to rotate. Unless Auburn completely implodes in the trenches by an act of God, they should beat us pretty handily.