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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: fezzador on February 20, 2019, 04:07:43 PM
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http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/26034402/ex-gophers-coach-jerry-kill-criticizes-current-coach-pj-fleck
Let's just say that he's not exactly impressed with the way they're rowing the boat.
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I'm not sure what would compel him to come out and say this stuff. Kinda makes him look bitter. Not sure why he would be.
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sounds like he's bitter. Bitter that Fleck runs a circus and doesn't give credit where it's due
ya know that not everyone likes Fleck?
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I'm not sure any coach likes Fleck, but why go on record with it? There is nothing to gain.
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I think he’s directing his ire at the wrong person. Tracy Claeys kept the momentum going, but at the expense of the overall team discipline. If Fleck was insinuating that Kill ran a loose ship, he couldn’t have been more wrong.
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Sounds like he is generally upset with the way Claeys was run out and everything that was said then as opposed to a particular issue with Fleck. Which...it was an ugly situation. Should probably just leave it at that.
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Bitter, party of one.
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I'm not sure any coach likes Fleck, but why go on record with it? There is nothing to gain.
I understand, but why lie with a microphone in your face
he doesn't have much to lose either
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Right, he has no reason to be PC either. Does anyone like Fleck? If he wins, likeable doesn't matter, but I think in the unscientific "most punchable face" metric, he's right there with Frost and Brohm.
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If he does win, he's on to the next gig... provided they let him install oars and other shit on helmets. I'm suse USC would buy that... NOT.
The Badgers are gonna stomp a mudhole, and stick him in it, next year.
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Right, he has no reason to be PC either. Does anyone like Fleck? If he wins, likeable doesn't matter, but I think in the unscientific "most punchable face" metric, he's right there with Frost and Brohm.
And the "House of BOO". I love that.
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If he does win, he's on to the next gig... provided they let him install oars and other shit on helmets. I'm suse USC would buy that... NOT.
The Badgers are gonna stomp a mudhole, and stick him in it, next year.
The Badgers were going to stomp a mud hole in the Gophers last Thanksgiving weekend, too.
Yes, Fleck is a loudmouthed used car salesman. But this time, he's got something to sell.
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The Badgers were going to stomp a mud hole in the Gophers last Thanksgiving weekend, too.
Yes, Fleck is a loudmouthed used car salesman. But this time, he's got something to sell.
I didn't believe that to be the case. They were too injured at that point in the season. Very ripe for the upset that happened. The rest I agree with. He does have something to sell. There is a trophy in the case. Don't get too attached to it. :96:
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Sounds like he is generally upset with the way Claeys was run out and everything that was said then as opposed to a particular issue with Fleck. Which...it was an ugly situation. Should probably just leave it at that.
That's what I was thinking as well. The lack of control was on Claeys and not on Kill, but Kill took it as a personal affront when Fleck was trying to "change the culture". It's probably a simple case of Kill trying to stick up for a friend, but I don't see how the behavior under his watch can be excused. Claeys was a competent coach, but royally sucked as a babysitter. He was rightfully terminated.
And in other news, college kids can be really dumb. Yes, male college athletes are higher profile and their misdeeds get the publicity, but non-athlete males and coeds are just as capable of doing stupid shit.
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I didn't believe that to be the case. They were too injured at that point in the season. Very ripe for the upset that happened. The rest I agree with. He does have something to sell. There is a trophy in the case. Don't get too attached to it. :96:
I wish Iowa played the Badgers on Thanksgiving weekend.
Though, it probably wouldn't have mattered. Iowa is hexed and can't.get.over.the.hump.
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I always liked that Kill looked like a Gopher. I was sad to see him go.
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I'm not sure what would compel him to come out and say this stuff. Kinda makes him look bitter. Not sure why he would be.
Fleck coached with Kill and for him. I could see a bit of angst when a guy you know is that dismissive.
Granted, almost every coach comes in and acts like they reinvented the wheel, overstating the dire nature of things (and fans carry it on).
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Glad the man spoke his mind
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Glad the man spoke his mind
I am too, but that's mostly because I despise the guy he was talking about.
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I always liked that Kill looked like a Gopher. I was sad to see him go.
Kill also struggled to beat wisky..... I can see why you'd be sad.
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Fleck coached with Kill and for him. I could see a bit of angst when a guy you know is that dismissive.
Granted, almost every coach comes in and acts like they reinvented the wheel, overstating the dire nature of things (and fans carry it on).
it is also about buying time. If you say everything was great, the expectations is wins will happen immediately. Kill, whom I've always liked as a coach, comes off as very bitter with how strong his opinion. He also has been around long enough to know the fired coach takes a lot of blame, regardless of fault.
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Kill also struggled to beat wisky..... I can see why you'd be sad.
He never beat Wisconsin. Ever. But I'm not sure Brutus is happy about this. I'd think he would have been rooting for the Goophs.
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(https://images.wpsdlocal6.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Jerry-Kill.jpg)
(https://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/gophers_94269432.jpg?w=640)
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For all the comments about Kill coming across as “bitter,” how else is Kill to address his old job without mentioning the PhDouche now treating it like a obnoxious campaign?
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The Badgers were going to stomp a mud hole in the Gophers last Thanksgiving weekend, too.
Yes, Fleck is a loudmouthed used car salesman. But this time, he's got something to sell.
G-Rock was lurking?
Or does an alarm go off when the Gophers are slammed by a Badger?
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In retrospect, kinda funny to call it ESPiN here
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Kill did well. Let Fleck do what Fleck does. He is over the top. If Minnesota's AD accepts boat oars on helmets - - less power to them -- more to Fleck individually.
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I always liked that Kill looked like a Gopher. I was sad to see him go.
I’m reading that Weasels are natural enemies Gophers and will drive Gophers from their prairie lands. Maybe Kill is asking us to understand him in that light?
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It doesn't look like my opinion will have any allies here, but if you can have a favorable opinion about a famous stranger you don't really know (applies to most opinions about coaches), then I really like Fleck. And for however authentic you can say a famous stranger is or isn't, my sense is that he falls on the more authentic end of the spectrum. What's wrong with intense enthusiasm, anyway? Especially if it was inspired because you had a child who died.
The dude's reputation is a world away (in terms of nastiness) from where it deserves to be, IMO.
He may not look or talk like the cookie cutter leaders of movies or novels, but that's neither a bad thing nor evidence he isn't one of the good ones. And yet that's where the negative opinions about him start, emotional reaction to a stranger whose enthusiasm seems weird.
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the proof is in the pudding
time will tell
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No doubt. Not to cop out, but I should say I was never predicting him to be a big winner in MSP. He may be, but that's separate. For this thread, I'm just guessing he's a respectable guy and that his kids are being well led in terms of healthy life perspectives.
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I really hope you are correct. I think the more than winning piece is much more important than winning
the life skills part is where I'm concerned it's mostly snake oil
Kill and Claeys speaking against Barnum give me more concern
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I like Kill (have not formed an opinion about Claeys), but obviously he's more gruff/low key, so I like him for different reasons. But I like him, so his take is worth something. Even then, I'd trust Kill's take more easily if he didn't have a conflicted interest. Here, he and his buddy got burned. I'm not saying he's scheming, but "being bitter" and "not seeing this one clearly" have to all be on the table.
Either way, Fleck did deliver some wins last year that Kill and Claeys never could. It's not much to celebrate, especially if the Gophers canned Glen Mason to go on a long painful journey to an even better program, but beating UW and winning a bowl game has to be some kind of milestone.
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not seeing this one clearly is possible
if it was shots at the U of M then the bitterness would be expected
this is personal - I don't think it serves much purpose
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Plus Kill did the exact same thing when he got here (trashed the culture of the previous administration, shirts that stated I LET MY TEAMMATES DOWN and LOAPHER to flush out weaklings). For him to talk smack about the succeeding coach doing the same thing he did is not only bitter but hypocritical.
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To be fair, he was coming in after Brewster. Of course the culture was in the dumpster.