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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: ELA on September 25, 2017, 04:19:19 PM
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Iowa showed something on Saturday, but came up short.
Night Kinnick magic or legitimate improvement?
Pretty good test here against an MSU that looks improved over last year but still deeply flawed in mental fragility, with insanely costly turnovers and penalties.
MSU with a loss here is possibly in deep trouble with regards to their bowl bid, considering I don't see anyway they beat UM, OSU or PSU. Basically means they have to go 4-1 against the remainder of their schedule, which includes trips to Minneapolis and Evanston.
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With the strength of schedule (Iowa plays Ohio State, Michigan State, and played Penn State), it is critical to Iowa's season they beat teams like Michigan State that are tough teams, but probably tough within the second division of the Big Ten.
Both teams have ball security issues. These fun facts make an interesting read: Iowa - MSU Fun Facts (http://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/fun-facts-iowa-michigan-state-20170925)
For example:
Fun Fact # 16: Michigan state has scored exactly 16 points in 6 of its last 13 games against Iowa.
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I bet MSU will beat at least one of UM, PSU, and OSU
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Iowa leads the all time series 23-21-2
In the 50s Iowa went 2-1 against MSU
In the 60s they went 2-2 against each other
In the 70s MSU went 7-2-1 against Iowa
In the 80s Iowa went 6-3-1 against Sparty
In the 90s Iowa went 4-2 against MSU
In the 20ots Iowa went 5-3 against MSU
So far in the 2010s MSU is 3-2 against Iowa
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Sparty's schedule through mid-November is murder. Better hope they can catch a Hawkeye team still down after that stunning loss to the Nitts.
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Iowa leads the all time series 23-21-2
In the 50s Iowa went 2-1 against MSU
In the 60s they went 2-2 against each other
In the 70s MSU went 7-2-1 against Iowa
In the 80s Iowa went 6-3-1 against Sparty
In the 90s Iowa went 4-2 against MSU
In the 20ots Iowa went 5-3 against MSU
So far in the 2010s MSU is 3-2 against Iowa
Wow, is Iowa MSU's least played opponent since joining among the 10 pre-PSU teams?
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I bet MSU will beat at least one of UM, PSU, and OSU
I'd take that bet. I bet they don't stay within single digits of any of those.
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feels like a potential season changer here, both teams coming off tough losses for different reasons.
back 2 back loses sometimes can start to lead to bigger problems. almost an impossible game to pick. is Iowa dejected after being basically a second from a huge upset, or is Sparty more dejected after getting taken to the woodshed?
my guess is if one team comes out swinging, they might land a knockout punch before halftime.
what's up with LJ Scott FYI? I thought he was going to be the next in what's been a pretty decent string of RB play for Sparty, seems pretty average right now.
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feels like a potential season changer here, both teams coming off tough losses for different reasons.
back 2 back loses sometimes can start to lead to bigger problems. almost an impossible game to pick. is Iowa dejected after being basically a second from a huge upset, or is Sparty more dejected after getting taken to the woodshed?
my guess is if one team comes out swinging, they might land a knockout punch before halftime.
what's up with LJ Scott FYI? I thought he was going to be the next in what's been a pretty decent string of RB play for Sparty, seems pretty average right now.
He could never pass block, and now he can't hold onto the ball.
If the coaches can't trust you in those aspects, it's hard to get on the field enough to do anything else.
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Wow, is Iowa MSU's least played opponent since joining among the 10 pre-PSU teams?
Not quite.
They've only played OSU 45 times.
They've played Iowa, Minnesota and Illinois 46 times each.
With OSU and Illinois on the annual, Iowa and Minnesota will soon drop to the back of the pack.
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Both Iowa and Michigan State had a chance to make a statement last weekend, and both came away with results that didn't really answer the question one way or the other. Iowa really had no business even being in the game with Penn State, being outgained 579-273, getting doubled up in time of possession, losing first downs 29-11. But they won the turnover battle, got a missed field goal, a lot of Penn State penalties...and it nearly added up to a win...except it didn't. So who is Iowa? A team that was dominated on the scoresheet? A team that nearly beat Penn State anyway? Or a team that is kind of mediocre and nearly pulled an upset in front of a crazy home crowd? Same for Michigan State. They showed flashes of being a much improved team, and dominated Notre Dame on the scoresheet. But they also showed the same mental fragility we saw last year. Too many incredibly inexcusable turnovers and penalties. This is not 2013-15 Michigan State, but we saw less talented early Dantonio teams be successful by winning in the margins where this team is failing. They were good enough to get away with it against Bowling Green or Western Michigan, but not against Notre Dame, and not against Iowa. Michigan State's early schedule may have looked friendly with a 4 game home stand to open, but the two big games are against teams they seemingly like to play away from East Lansing. Notre Dame has won 2 in a row, and 5 of the last 7 in East Lansing, but Michigan State had won 7 of the last 10 in South Bend. Likewise, Iowa has won two in a row in Spartan Stadium, but Michigan State has won the last 3 road/neutral meetings. The last three games in East Lansing have come down to the final possession, and then obviously the 2015 Big Ten Championship Game ending. Michigan State maybe doesn't have to win the turnover battle, but they can't lose it decisively again, and they can't afford the type they had last week, where all 3 were almost directly tied to 21 points in swing. Three games in though, it's enough to think it's part of this team's identity, and not just one of those flukes that regresses to the mean.
IOWA 24, MICHIGAN STATE 21
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I think MSU bounces back at home. I think Iowa will have a little bit of a let down after losing in such a heart-break fashion. That takes a lot of a team and man were they UP for that game. Think they'll start sluggish have a little bit of a hangover.
MSU wasn't as bad as they looked against ND. I thought ND was the better team but not by like 30. Maybe 7-10 better.
I like MSU. 24-21.
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I am strangely confident that Iowa is going to win easily against MSU. Iowa's defense has been showing signs they are starting to figure it out.
Iowa's offense doesn't do much all game and then all of a sudden. BOOM! TOUCHDOWN seemingly out of nowhere. Iowa usually gets about 2 TD's like that a game.
Iowa 26, MSU 14
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Hmm, I'm the opposite. I don't know if it's a Charlie Brown mentality or what, but I feel like MSU is going to correct their turnover issues this week and Iowa loses a close one.
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With the strength of schedule (Iowa plays Ohio State, Michigan State, and played Penn State), it is critical to Iowa's season they beat teams like Michigan State that are tough teams, but probably tough within the second division of the Big Ten.
I think this is a good point. Iowa's crossovers are:
- vs Penn State (already lost)
- @ Michigan State (this game)
Wisconsin's crossovers are:
- vs Maryland
- @ Indiana
- vs Michigan
Additionally, Wisconsin hosts the Iowa/Wisconsin game on 11/11. I think this is a big reason why basically everybody picked Wisconsin to win the division. Iowa could be a better team than Wisconsin and still lose the division race based simply on a tougher cross-division draw and travelling for the Wisconsin game.
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Wow, is Iowa MSU's least played opponent since joining among the 10 pre-PSU teams?
Michigan State's first year of BigTen football was 1953. Since then their most frequent opponents are:
- 63 games, Michigan (every year)
- 59 Purdue
- 57 Notre Dame
- 55 Indiana
- 51 Northwestern
- 47 Wisconsin
- 46 Iowa
- 45 Minnesota
- 45 Illinois
- 42 Ohio State
- 22 Penn State
- 10 CMU
- 9 WMU
- 8 USC
- 8 Nebraska
- 7 EMU
- 7 Rutgers
- 6 Oregon
- 6 UCLA
- 6 Stanford
- 5 Syracuse
Teams in bold and Maryland (2 games since 1953) are in the B1G-E with the Spartans. Even if these divisions last it will take:
- More than 20 years for Ohio State to become a more frequent opponent than the various B1G-W teams.
- More than 40 years for Penn State to become a more frequent opponent than the various B1G-W teams.
- More than 50 years for Rutgers to become a more frequent opponent than the various B1G-W teams.
- More than 60 years for Maryland to become a more frequent opponent than the various B1G-W teams.
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Nice.
If the fixed crossover sticks, then the Illini will eventually overtake the five B1G West teams ahead of them, and own that three spot, behind Michigan and Indiana.
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Nice.
If the fixed crossover sticks, then the Illini will eventually overtake the five B1G West teams ahead of them, and own that three spot, behind Michigan and Indiana.
I thought they already said it wasn't?
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Did they?
Hadn't heard that.
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Starting RG David Beedle in street clothes, true freshman Kevin Jarvis getting the start.
Hadn't heard anything about Beedle all week.
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Are you seeing the game? PSU game is one-sided and all I see on this crappy Fox channel is baseball.
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Are you seeing the game? PSU game is one-sided and all I see on this crappy Fox channel is baseball.
Yeah, no shit. And the last two innings took 7 hours.
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Found it on FS2. FS is still crap. Planning truck racing that usually always runs over, before a game last week.
Trying to listen to it while video editing the UMD game.
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If FOX is going to do 4:00 football, they have to start their MLB game at noon. Second week in a row with major run-over. No MLB games take under 3 hours anymore.
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It has literally been over a year since I've been able to get really excited for a win..
Go Green!
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Feel like that is more or less how next weeks game will go. Bunch of running into the line. Turnovers will be difference.
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Feel like that is more or less how next weeks game will go. Bunch of running into the line. Turnovers will be difference.
It will be the most dominating 17-3 game of all time.
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game went about how I thought it would overall. thought Iowa would be sleep walking a little bit and start out slow and that MSU would win by 4-7 pts.
Iowa is a tough team to play, they just stick around. But MSU has more talent on their roster and it showed. I really like the young MSU WR's.
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It will be the most dominating 17-3 game of all time.
wouldn't be so sure of that. Mark always has the Spartans ready to play Michigan. Every damn year. It's a throw out the records, throw out how either team has looked sort of game. It'll be a defensive sluggfest til the end. I think.
I DO hope that the Michigan coaches have spent the past two weeks re-tooling the Michigan offense though. Hopefully they try to clean up all the mental errors on the OL- they've had trouble on the interior identifying who to block when defensive linemen stunt or LB's blitz. Also hope they decide to start playing Wheatley JR more and have him on the line to help out the RT Ulizio who has been a real weak spot. Also hope they also decide to take advantage of O'Korn's running ability and start moving the pocket- have him run some boot-legs and throw on the run. Maybe even mix in some designed QB runs or two. Also hope they break down the film and realize they need to stop running into the teeth of 9 man fronts on 1st down only to get 1-2-3 yards max- they have to start opening it up and throwing on 1st down to get defenses to relax at the line of scrimmage. They also NEED to bench Crawford in favor of Donovan Peoples Jones. Crawford is not good. Any playing time and footballs that go his way are a waste that should be going to a superior players way in Donovan Peoples Jones. They need to get DPJ going. Now.
This is all pretty simple stuff. It'll blow my mind if they don't fix some of these issues. It's pretty basic crap. Not rocket science.
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I think Michigan will do little, but not a ton on offense, but I don't think MSU will do a damn thing. It might be like MSUs 10-3 win over OSU in 2011. A weird one score game that is never in doubt.
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I think Michigan will do little, but not a ton on offense, but I don't think MSU will do a damn thing. It might be like MSUs 10-3 win over OSU in 2011. A weird one score game that is never in doubt.
I've learned to expect the unexpected in this game. I have no idea what will happen. Just know it will be a slugfest that will go down to the wire.
MSU definitely improved over last season. And Michigan's O has taken steps backwards largely because of some problems with the OL and the QB.
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MSU is going to need big special teams plays and to win the turnover battle.
Aside from Allen, they started a true freshman, a redshirt freshman and two true sophomores on the OL and it looked it. They generated absolutely zero run blocking. And while Iowa's defense is no slouch, Michigan's line is a whole different level of nasty. I know Brown is Dr. Blitz, but I don't see why he'll have to. They are going to cause all kinds of having with just four.
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MSU is going to need big special teams plays and to win the turnover battle.
Aside from Allen, they started a true freshman, a redshirt freshman and two true sophomores on the OL and it looked it. They generated absolutely zero run blocking. And while Iowa's defense is no slouch, Michigan's line is a whole different level of nasty. I know Brown is Dr. Blitz, but I don't see why he'll have to. They are going to cause all kinds of having with just four.
well MSU had maybe the biggest special teams play ever to win the game in 2015. That one still breaks my heart to this day. I hope that the football gods giving MSU's special teams play the gift of the millennium on that one should mean they get no more from here to eternity. That's what I fricken hope at least. Lol.
Michigan's OL hasn't fared much better. Nolan Ulizio has been beaten like a drum all game long every game. He has been all-time bad. That injury to Grant Newsome has been devastating to the 2017 OL. If Newsome is healthy he's the LT and Mason Cole is the RT and Ulizio is on the bench where he belongs. The interior OL has trouble with DL stunts as well- Kugler and Onwenu are really playing for the first time ever. When they know who to block- they block- but problem is they don't always know. Ulizio is just bad. He is terrible. One of the worst tackles I have ever seen at Michigan. Even when they were bad under Rodriguez and Hoke they still had pretty decent tackles. If Ulizio is the best RT they have- really makes me question the OL recruiting. But these are the same coaches that kept on trotting out Speight and De'Veon Smith- and keep on playing Dylan Crawford over DPJ- so their judgement when it comes to personnel probably isn't the best.
Michigan's starting 4 has been nasty- Winovich and Hurst are both playing like 1st round guys. Mone has been solid when he's played and Gary hasn't been blowing up the stat sheet but he's been eating double teams on damn near every play and is getting pressures. Just hasn't translated into sacks yet. Gary can still take his game up another notch- and when he does that defense will get scary. The depth at DL just hasn't been there. Every one behind those 4 with the exception of Lawrence Marshall is basically a 1st or 2nd year guy. Was really hoping to see more out of Marshall. Kind of disappointed. He needed to take his game up a notch and he hasn't.
I still think Brown will call up blitzes. That's who he is. You'll probably see LB's Devin Bush, Mike McCray, Noah Furbush, and "Viper" Khaleke Hudson all have some blitzes drawn up for them.
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Stanley coughing it up on the 5 or so yard line, absolute killer.
this had to be a tough game for the Hawks after the gut wrenching loss, but now you gotta wonder if this thing starts to spiral out of control