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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: Cincydawg on January 28, 2019, 03:49:18 PM
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Can someone explain this to me?
https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Bulldogs-add-Brandon-Bunkley-Cody-Carder-JC-Vega-as-preferred-walk-ons-128393904/?fbclid=IwAR1GY4vibdPiNxNFikEqQhCczgAgP-9UFqBXl2SD3Kgzs5e4IwUQ_W_FmkQ
Option 1: Free college at Tennessee State (or some FCS school).,
Option 2: Work your butt off while paying for college at a P5 school while likely rarely seeing the field.
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Preferred walk-on kids are given a chance to earn a scholarship. They are late-bloomers most often, or kids who were really good and then injured. Some schools have better walk-on programs than others. Mine has JJ Watt as a former walk-on. There are many more examples.
Nebraska won titles because of its program under Osbourne. I think they are trying to get that back.
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depends on the finances of the family
https://www.omaha.com/huskers/blogs/a-complete-history-of-husker-walk-ons-in-the-nfl/article_dc00dc36-0bd6-11e6-a03e-4fccc11c5b3c.html (https://www.omaha.com/huskers/blogs/a-complete-history-of-husker-walk-ons-in-the-nfl/article_dc00dc36-0bd6-11e6-a03e-4fccc11c5b3c.html)
Out of thousands and thousands of football players that have been through the program, Nebraska has had 354 players selected in the NFL draft. Many of those were much-hyped recruits, guys with recruiting stars to spare who clearly caught the eye of coaches enough to gain a scholarship offer, or more often, a number of scholarship offers from multiple schools.
But an even smaller group — 25 young men, or about seven percent of NU's draftees — came into the program with no scholarship and no promise of playing time. They, more than others, had to prove not only that they were capable of having an impact on the field, but that they even deserved a spot on the roster.
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Grady Eifert for Purdue [basketball] is a preferred walk-on. He ended up earning a scholarship I believe the last two years, partly because he truly did earn it and partly because Purdue had the room.
Remember that kids come from all sorts of different walks of life. Eifert's dad played for Purdue and his brother plays football for the Bengals, so if nothing else I'm sure his brother can afford to help him with tuition. Purdue's transfer from Dartmouth, Evan Boudreaux, comes from a wealthy family [his mom is CEO of Anthem healthcare], so although he is on scholarship, it's not like he couldn't have become a preferred walk-on if he wasn't as heavily recruited.
I don't know about any of the players in that article, but one of them mention the value of a UGA degree. It's possible, if they come from a family that can afford school, that the chance to get a UGA degree and MAYBE someday even play for the Bulldogs is worth the tuition.
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From 1984.............
https://www.si.com/vault/1984/09/05/633947/walk-ons-are-now-in-the-running (https://www.si.com/vault/1984/09/05/633947/walk-ons-are-now-in-the-running)
And what a strange cast of characters they are. They include the healthy, like Auburn defensive end Kevin Greene, whose 500-pound bench press is a team record; the wealthy, like Florida placekicker Bobby Raymond, who refused a scholarship because his parents are well off; and the wise, like the defensive end who turned down financial aid at Dartmouth to walk on at Nebraska. That's premed student Scott Strasburger.
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Good point about individual circumstance, I was over generalizing.
I would guess the percentage of PWAs who ever get significant playing time is quite low, and the percentage who later get scholarships would be, 25%? 15%?
What is the difference between a PFA and a Walk On? The former is preferred. Yay.
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Nebraska just has walk ons
no distinction of preferred
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Good point about individual circumstance, I was over generalizing.
I would guess the percentage of PWAs who ever get significant playing time is quite low, and the percentage who later get scholarships would be, 25%? 15%?
What is the difference between a PFA and a Walk On? The former is preferred. Yay.
At UW, all walk-on's are welcomed. PWO are invited, and are also announced on signing day. Pretty big difference.
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At UW, all walk-on's are welcomed. PWO are invited, and are also announced on signing day. Pretty big difference.
That's been similar to my understanding. PWO are actively being recruited, but with the understanding that a scholarship may not be available for them.
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So, no substantive difference at all then.
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a PWO is a recruit, who has to pay their own way. There is an offer, and there is no tryout, but they know that a scholarship isn't coming their way up front. Most of them usually have FCS or mid-major offers if they want the scholarship. I believe the football staff works them through admissions in similar ways too?
Other walk ons are truly just students at the school who show up to an open tryout. A knew a kid in HS who did that at MSU. By his junior year I think he did actually dress for home games, but I don't think he ever got in.
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Can someone explain this to me?
https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Bulldogs-add-Brandon-Bunkley-Cody-Carder-JC-Vega-as-preferred-walk-ons-128393904/?fbclid=IwAR1GY4vibdPiNxNFikEqQhCczgAgP-9UFqBXl2SD3Kgzs5e4IwUQ_W_FmkQ
Option 1: Free college at Tennessee State (or some FCS school).,
Option 2: Work your butt off while paying for college at a P5 school while likely rarely seeing the field.
Honestly man, it just comes down to chasing a dream. I know from a pragmatic standpoint it’s easy to question a kid’s decision to turn down a scholarship and likely playing time at Tennessee St to pay his own way and ride the pine at UGA. But for some kids they just don’t want to look back and ask “What if I had tried?”
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Worked out well for Terry Glenn.
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Tyler Conklin and Kenny Willikes were both walk ons for MSU, and became All-Americans.
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25 young men, or about seven percent of UNL's NFL draftees — came into the program with no scholarship and no promise of playing time.
Out of thousands and thousands of football players that have been through the program, Nebraska has had 354 players selected in the NFL draft.
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So, no substantive difference at all then.
If--and I don't know if it is--preferred walk on also comes with admissions help, that's a big difference.
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not at UNL
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If--and I don't know if it is--preferred walk on also comes with admissions help, that's a big difference.
Not at UW.
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I credit them with following their dreams, especially if they can manage the costs. The poorer kids likely do not have this as an option.
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A lot of times it is the son or grandson of a famous alum. Archie Griffin's kid, or Chic Harley's great grandson, for example.
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I know for a fact UM does, and I'm 99% sure MSU does
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Can someone explain this to me?
https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Bulldogs-add-Brandon-Bunkley-Cody-Carder-JC-Vega-as-preferred-walk-ons-128393904/?fbclid=IwAR1GY4vibdPiNxNFikEqQhCczgAgP-9UFqBXl2SD3Kgzs5e4IwUQ_W_FmkQ
Option 1: Free college at Tennessee State (or some FCS school).,
Option 2: Work your butt off while paying for college at a P5 school while likely rarely seeing the field.
Some reasons, good, bad or indifferent.
-Kids have been told their whole lives that hard work has brought them success. This is half true, sometimes less than half true, but kids believe it. Many believe they will get there and it will be like HS. They're wrong, but it happens.
-They might not be paying full freight. Big public schools often give some breaks to in-state students.If you have good grades, might not be so pricy.
-Some people just really want to be part of say the Georgia Bulldogs. They get to be around big college football. They get to run onto the field at a big ole stadium to raucous cheers. They might even get in. There's some personal value to that as compared to say playing in a smaller stadium in the Ohio Valley conference. (I recall hearing about a kid did just that in another state. He grew up rooting for a team, whole family did. And he ended up getting to wear that jersey, run out on that field and got his engineering degree just the same)
-Some kids just want to go to one kind of school over another. I could've gone to Cal State East Bay for not much money. Shoot, I probably could've gone to a private school for a little less (they throw money at some folks). But I wanted a particular experience.
-There's a certain level of value if you A. want to get into coaching or B. Want to work in business in your state. If you're selling insurance, waving around your Georgia athletics ring and sharing Richt stories might be pretty helpful. Boosters with businesses might like you and help you out. Plus, if you endear yourself to your coaches, and having a nationally famous millionaire as a reference would be good.
So in the end, there's reasons. There's nothing wrong with being a guard for Tennessee State either, but there's no guarantee you'll play there either. And if you're just some backup guard at TSU (and someone is doing that), you're not playing and you're not getting the perks of a Bulldog. (Granted, you live in Nashville, which sounds fine.)
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UGA does offer Hope Scholarships, but I think if a kid gets one, it counts against the football quote also.
It did when I was there anyway. The Hope Scholarship program has majorly driven up the admissions requirements at UGA.
https://www.admissions.uga.edu/prospective-students/first-year/fy-profile
Average SAT scores are 1400 and ACT average is now 30, which is pretty solid.
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That's Big Ten level standards right there.
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For most kids in state, they get tuition paid for by a Hope Scholarship, so kids who otherwise may have gone elsewhere now have a good reason to stay in state (the same is true for Georgia Tech, which started at a more elevated standing anyway, so the impact there was less).
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It's kinda funny that my wife and some other ladies created a "Hope" Scholarship here in town, for the local college. It's for women - bridges the gap from Harper to their 4 year school of choice.
Very successful so far.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HOPE_Scholarship
Based on lottery revenue.
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My understanding is that Georgia is (rightfully) enjoying a renaissance in its reputation.
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It's a definite uptick, in part because of the scholarship, and in part because of the population growth of the state. A lot of midwesterners migrated down here and historically they took education more seriously when it comes to spending money. That means the various high school systems which one were poor are now funded and decent (many are).
When I was a kid, spending money on just about anything was bad politically. My first elementary school had broken windows and no air conditioning, it really was a pretty rudimentary operation. We moved to suburban Atlanta and the county we lived in had quite a bit better funded schools, but they still were not good.
There is an historic basis to why B1G schools are good academically. The general quality of ACC schools is a bit harder to explain I think.